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The Coast Guard Isn’t Sure If The Banging They Are Hearing Is From The Titanic Submersible

 

On Sunday, the 18th, a tourist submarine operated by OceanGate Expeditionswent missing about an hour and 45 minutes into an expedition to tour the wreckage of the Titanic with five people on board. Not too much is known about where exactly they are right now, or what sort of condition they are in, but there have been signs that the people on board may be attempting to communicate with rescuers… maybe.

 

Coast Guard officials are not positive the “banging” noises that were picked up by sonar were from the missing Titan submarine. According to The New York Post, John Mauger, a Rear Admiral in the U.S. Coast Guard and leader of the search of the troubled sub, they do not know the exact source of the noise, but the information has been shared with Navy experts.

 

The bangs were first picked up by a P-3 aircraft flying with sonar buoys on June 20th. These bangs were initially a sign of hope for some folks – possibleevidence of the people on the sub still being alive and signing for help. However, that may not be the case. Mauger reportedly said the noise could be the result of metal or different objects shifting around in the water near the Titanic’s wreckage.

 

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Aren’t they theoretically out of air by now?  Even if the banging is from them, by the time they locate them and bring them up, they’ll be out of oxygen.  As Buzz said, “they dead.”

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Aren’t they theoretically out of air by now?  Even if the banging is from them, by the time they locate them and bring them up, they’ll be out of oxygen.  As Buzz said, “they dead.”

They are, and had to face 1 to 4 celsius temperatures at this depth.

 

The French oceanographic vessel Atalante with its underwater robot Victor 6000 arrived on Thursday, according to Ifremer, in the search area for the submarine Titan, which went missing during an attempt to visit the wreck of the Titanic. The Atalante, operated by the French Institute for the Exploitation of the Sea (Ifremer), "is currently using its multibeam sounder to have a finer mapping of the landscape and allow a more efficient Victor 6000 dive". “However, this sounder will not allow the submarine to be located”, underlines Ifremer.

 

The specialist is convinced that the occupants of the submarine have a chance of surviving... William Kohnen, who grew up and studied in Quebec, on a device he created with his company Hydrospace in California. In 2018, the specialist warned the company OceanGate about the dangers linked to their submarine, which has now disappeared near the wreck of the Titanic. William Kohnen, who grew up and studied in Quebec, on a device he created with his company Hydrospace in California. In 2018, the specialist warned the company OceanGate about the dangers linked to their submarine, which has now disappeared near the wreck of the Titanic.
 
Francis Pilon An engineer from Quebec and expert in the construction of submersibles had already sounded the alarm in 2018 on the dangers linked to the submarine of the company OceanGate, which disappeared while exploring the wreck of the Titanic. "It's terrible to see this at the moment ... We end up wondering if we could have done more to avoid this situation", confides in an interview with Le Journal William Kohnen, reached by telephone at his home in California.
The engineer, who studied at McGill University in Montreal and grew up in Saint-Hyacinthe, is now chairman of the submarine committee of the Marine Technology Society in the United States. Mr. Kohnen has been in the news since a small submarine, owned by the private company OceanGate, disappeared with five occupants on board during a tourist expedition near the wreck of the Titanic.
 
"In 2018, I wrote them a letter and spoke on the phone about my concerns with owner Stockton Rush on behalf of the Marine Technology Society," Kohnen said. It was known that his submarines would not pass a normal inspection. At the moment, the problem is that the submersible does not emit sounds and we cannot find it..." William Kohnen, who grew up and studied in Quebec, on a device he created with his company Hydrospace in California. In 2018, the specialist warned the company OceanGate about the dangers linked to their submarine, which has now disappeared near the wreck of the Titanic.
The Quebec native, who moved nearly 30 years ago to California to work in his field, says OceanGate turned a deaf ear when he shared his concerns about their business. "We asked them to at least be certified by experts so that they meet our industry standards... But we were told that it would take too much time and money," sighs William Kohnen. The expert recalls that companies are not obliged to obtain any certification obtained by a third party to guarantee the safety of their submarine, this is rather done on a voluntary basis. “Yet other companies are doing it. This is the reason why we warned OceanGate in 2018”, supports the president of the committee specialized in submarines of the Marine Technology Society. William Kohnen, who grew up and studied in Quebec, on a device he created with his company Hydrospace in California. In 2018, the specialist warned the company OceanGate about the dangers linked to their submarine, which has now disappeared near the wreck of the Titanic. 
 
William Kohnen also insists that the submersible that disappeared near the wreck of the Titanic could not circulate in Canadian or American waters. “The company operates in international waters, where the rules of Canada and the United States do not apply. The submarine could surely not circulate with us because it does not meet the standards. OceanGate is in a loophole [legal void] where it does not have to meet any criteria,” he argues. He recalls that the submarine industry has not experienced such a disaster since at least 1975. He hopes that this event will prompt OceanGate to review its practices. Listen to Alexandre Dubé's interview with Sébastien Pelletier, president of the Technical Wreck Divers of Quebec, via QUB radio: Maybe still alive The specialist still believes that the five people aboard the submersible, about 6.5 m long, may still be alive. They have been missing since Sunday.
 
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From a FB post so I can't for sure say this quote is accurate. If true, hubris at play.

 

A direct quote from the CEO of Oceangate, Stockton Rush  who is on the missing submarine:


"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."


"I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules," he added at the time.

 

 

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From a FB post so I can't for sure say this quote is accurate. If true, hubris at play.

 

A direct quote from the CEO of Oceangate, Stockton Rush  who is on the missing submarine:


"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."


"I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules," he added at the time.

 

 

It is probably accurate. The guy sent himself down there, and that is after all the corners he reportable cut. He surely felt like he knew more than the safety experts.

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1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

From a FB post so I can't for sure say this quote is accurate. If true, hubris at play.

 

A direct quote from the CEO of Oceangate, Stockton Rush  who is on the missing submarine:


"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."


"I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules," he added at the time.

 

 

 

A little over 2000 people go missing everyday in this country and we have two different coast guards looking for this schmuck right now?

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1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

From a FB post so I can't for sure say this quote is accurate. If true, hubris at play.

 

A direct quote from the CEO of Oceangate, Stockton Rush  who is on the missing submarine:


"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."


"I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules," he added at the time.

 

 

If they ever find the sub, bet they find this idiots body hogging whatever emergency oxygen there was.

 

Well your disregard for safety resulted in your death. The heirs to your company, will be sued.

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A little over 2000 people go missing everyday in this country and we have two different coast guards looking for this schmuck right now?


It’s just a news cycle. It’s almost done (they don’t go longer than about 1-2 weeks… and then we can be distracted by something else.

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A little over 2000 people go missing everyday in this country and we have two different coast guards looking for this schmuck right now?


Several thousand people seeking refuge from death and violence in their homeland die attempting to cross the Mediterranean Sea every year. To attempt the crossing they pay gangsters thousands of dollars in the hope that when they get to land in a country on the other side of the sea they will be granted asylum. In general, navy ships from the various countries bordering the Mediterranean make no serious attempt to help them, and of course it would be much, much safer to take a plane but the airlines will be fined for accepting their money without a visa, which won’t be granted.

 

But let’s spend many millions searching for five wealthy people who knowingly signed a death wish.

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The banging sounds led people to think they were just stranded. But now that the oxygen time has passed, and they were unlikely to be alive anyway, this is honestly for the best (assuming that is the Titan) ... it would indicate it was a quick and painless death, which is way more digestible than suffocating and suffering to death in pitch darkness in a small tube at the bottom of the ocean for 5 days.

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Woah.... it took 73 years to find the Titanic.  If this ROV truly found  debris field and either whatever is left of this sub (or intact) -- I find that amazing and worthwhile/valuable to have used the resources in this manner.

 

I am skeptical that this is the remains of the Titan.... but astonishing if true.

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