Renegade7

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  1. Renegade7

    Starting QB 2019???

    The only reason I don't think this thread is too early is because I don't believe it should be Colt, regardless of what happens with Alex. It would be a mistake in my opinion to go into next year with a career backup as our starter, we should not do that, that's not why he's here, he's here in case of what just happened to Alex. Having said that, I'm not having luck finding a QB in the draft that will make sense around the time that we will be drafting. It make me wonder if we maybe should be thinking about drafting a QB in the second round as opposed to the first. I'd be perfectly fine trading down just to have someone we can at least develop into the next Colt McCoy for us. Heard on CBS that the broken leg is confirmed, so it sounds like it could be leg and ankle, that could very well be career threatening for a mobile 34 year old QB. It may be premature but I would not be shocked if the retirement talk started and it came from us pushing for it. We've already been frustrated by him, and there's no telling how long it will take to get back to form, which wasn't good this year anyway. Who's to say he ever gets back to the guy we traded for, do we really want to wait to find out? That comes to free agency. Teddy Bridgewater contract doesn't make any sense to me, could use some help confirming if we are waiting on the Saints to void the final years or not for him to be a free agent. Otherwise, I don't see anyone that I would sign, its not like last year where there were a couple guys would've been reasonable stopgaps. Tyrod Taylor? No thanks. So ya, I don't know what the clear answer is on this one, but I do believe its fair to say we don't have to wait to have it all things considered. There's something else I want to add to this that I don't want to get banned for so I'll just say that both that opinion and that decision was not worth it.
  2. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    *Disclaimer - There's more then one way to pull this off, so don't be a jerk about it. Look, I know what you're thinking: this isn't the smartest use of resources. We've done this before and it backfired. We'd probably get hosed again, too. This isn't a great QB draft. There will be plenty more reasons that come up in this thread not to do this, many of them valid, many of them I agree with. In principle, this is a bad idea. But I'm going to tell you a couple reasons why we have to do this anyway and why its worth the risk. The man threw for 50 Tds and 8 Ints this year, obliterated Michigan, and showed such pro-style tendencies that even Urban Meyer had to say "F it, lets treat him like a pro-style QB". He is, he's ready, I'm not interested in the conversation of him only doing it for one year. You want to know why? Because nobody else is, and neither is the Giants. Listen to me, he's from New Jersey and already said he'd love to play for Big Blue. If he ends up there with Barkley we are screwed for the forseable future having to deal with that, Dak/Elliot, and Philly just winning the Super Bowl. I was at the last game of the season against Philly, somebody switched seats with their brother so I could sit next to a Redskins fan, at home. Ya'll really think that's going to get better if Colt is the starter next year? When we say stuff like "lets just suck and come at it the following year", are we really taking into account what is happening with this fan base right now and what's at risk here? I live in the area, I went to a barbershop to get my haircut by someone else for first time in 7 years, and I might as well have gone to one in Dallas. There wasn't even a Redskins sticker in there. And its not just transients, people in there from the area grew up associating this franchise with pain. Not winning, not trying hard, or respectability, but suffering and absolute embarrassment. If Snyder and Allen insist on doubling down on this delusional attempt to prove everyone wrong, the only way hide just how terrible this franchise is top to bottom is a young, star Franchise QB, period. That's right, I would rather be the Colts that get knocked out in the first round all the time with a HOF QB and completely feel apart the one year he finally got hurt then go into next season just seeing what happens. At least they won a Super Bowl and went to another one, this might not happen in my lifetime at the rate we are going. We know what will happen if we just surrender next year, this football team will turn into the Wizards. A franchise that winning a couple playoff games here and there won't regenerate the fanbase, it will need a generational type run and multiple rings to do it, which lets face it, the way our front office is liking the smell of their own **** is about as likely Snyder selling the team. I believe this guy is going to shock people at the combine and take over the #1 QB prospect spot, even if he isn't the greatest QB prospect we've ever seen. That's not the point. The point is the Giants have a higher draft pick then us (and so do the Jaguars) and either one of them could take him. I don't care about a QB that could be a good one, we need a QB that could be a great one. I'm going to say this whether ya'll like it or not, I would not of given Cousins that money, but I know damn well if it was him at QB instead of going through 4 other guys, we'd be in the playoffs right now. The 2018 Redskins would be in the playoffs with Haskins starting 16 games. I'll go further: Our reputation is BEYOND f'd up right now. Having a successful black QB in DC is just what this franchise needs right now. I don't want to get too political, but right now we aren't helping matters in regards to race relations or examples of model characters. I was at the Ohio State stadium talking to folks, this is exactly the kind of face of the franchise slash role model we need right now. I would do the RG3 trade with the Giants this year in a heartbeat if I had to just to get him in Burgundy and Gold and make sure they didn't get him. The only thing worse then the Giants getting him would be us trading up then Giants trading ahead of us. Again, this is soooo much bigger then what's the right thing to do right now, what other franchises would do, what I'd like to do in Madden Franchise mode. Unless we want to see this franchise sink into an abyss it might never climb out of, this may be our last chance, right here, right now. Take it, if it fails, well... that just means we were doomed anyway. Go down swinging, you want to die on your knees or your feet?
  3. Just curious about the number of people here that have ever tried it versus the people that kept doing it. I can say I did try it, liked it, and kept doing it, just worked for me in a lot of different ways. I've seen a couple of ya'll mention having panic attacks when you tried it and were done, that I totally get if that happens to you. It's a private poll, so no one is going to know you answer unless you talk about it. I remember my cherry getting popped on the ganja: My little sister had some at home when we were in highschool (found out my parents both toked out the peace pipe in middle school, but didn't try it myself till 17), and I asked her "what's that?" to see if she'd confess or hide it from me. Asked me if I wanted to try it, and we could not be in the same room together without geeking up. Like I would go to my room, come back and he..he he he... ha ha ha. And if you don't smoke and never want to, that's cool, too. Really, it is.
  4. Question @Jumbo: there's been some talk on trying to get elected representatives to block public funding for a new stadium if Snyder doesn't change his ways. Is that automatically a tailgate issue, because it's something I support just as much as your post here. Jus making sure so I don't get in trouble for this.
  5. Renegade7

    Random Thought Thread

    Someone made the mistake of going in on the black QB being labeled as a mobile QB without knowing anything about them stereotype. They tried to backtrack and I tried to stop them both, but it was too late. It doesn't matter how I feel about that one in the stadium, not place for it, similar to now I almost got temp banned in ATN for my calling out Kirk on him being "religious".
  6. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    I'm not a fan of constantly seeing black QBs labled as mobile QBs even if a person knows nothing about them. At same time, please be careful with that convo as it could very well belong in the tailgate with the reasons why.
  7. I thought about that, and the hell wed go through once the relationship between the two countries improve and we try to find them all. GPS linked bear traps?
  8. Renegade7

    Random Thought Thread

    Mess around and Andy Reid get to WH and find out there's no food because of the shutdown https://m.imgur.com/t/funny/GVoDy
  9. Wait...not even a dynasty or even a single super bowl win?
  10. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    I don't agree with this logic considering what matters at this level versus high school.
  11. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    @Dont Taze Me Bro I never said you did say you wouldn't support the Griffin trade if it worked, I asked if anyone would feel that way if it went down that way. And no, I'm not offended at all by you or anyone in this conversation. What's happening is people are coming at me either directly or indirectly in this conversation and it's very difficult because everyone has their own way of going about it while I'm trying to stay respectful and not pulled too far away from my original point. I'm trying to stick to defending my point versus feeling I have to defend myself, but no, this is not easy trying to make sure if or when I gotta do both. Sometimes I wonder if this is the proper medium for something so obviously unpopular even if many are empathetic to the reasoning behind it. This one just kept eating at me, I had to do it. I don't trust the point system either, but some have pointed out that a lot of GMs do, so its closest we have to go on versus me throwing darts to try and make my case on what that trade might look like (which is still very much up in the air now). There is a huge difference between trading up to the #1 overall pick or the Jaguars pick. Of those three guys I mentioned wanting to trade, those are the ones I wouldn't just cut, that even if we get a little we should try to get something before their value drops any further (or in CT's case we either have to pay him or let him leave for free). Yes, there is a higher probability Bruce will hit with a first rounder then any other round, which is another reason I'm suprised anyone would use this in the same sentence of not trusting Bruce at all to pick a QB. There's a lot of different voices on this one, but when you drill right down to it, I do believe most people just don't want to trade up to get a QB first and foremost, either consciously or subconsciously, everything is going to come back to how bad that Griffin trade went, and understandably so. I feel like I'm being a little more realistic on this considering what and who we are actually dealing with here in regards to Bruce then I'm getting credit for, but that Griffin trade is just too recent a burn to expect anyone to dive headfirst into another trade like that like I am. I understand, but I'm likely not going to change my mind until something like the combine results force me to. I just hope we're all on the same page with what's at stake here if either side on this issue gets their way and its wrong, think that would be this franchise's event horizon.
  12. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    Thought crossed my mind, its very early, but entirely possible. Things have funny way of working themselves out sometimes
  13. Rather it be tax refunds then food stamps
  14. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    Newest CBS mock draft has Jaguars trading up to #2 for Haskins despite Murray declaring and us trading up for Lock. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-giants-land-kyler-murray-steelers-replace-antonio-brown-jaguars-redskins-trade-up-for-qb/ @Cooleyfan1993 I wasn't a fan of his transgressions in the tailgate, but that's a different topic all together...that I didn't forget.
  15. Renegade7

    Starting QB 2019???

    I'm still laughing that NO ONE has picked "trade for a veteran" yet, and I am not surprised. That failing for us seems about as reliable as gravity right now
  16. It is, and if in my not mistaken Jay came back begging for mercy after it didnt work and Wade went to work with McVay instead
  17. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    It's all good, man the truth is I dont know for certain this is going to work, I know it's a risk, the Griffin trade was a franchise killing risk that didnt outright bury us only because our 4th round QB turned into a quality starter out of nowhere. But I'm also just as certain of what will happen if we dont do this and it doesnt work as some of yall are on what will happen if we do and its doesnt work. No one has said a word about what if Bruce screws up these draft picks I'm talking about trading to get Haskins plus we dont have a franchise QB to build around, I dont feel it's complete convo until that's addressed, but it can wait, we might not have to trade up that high if at all with Heisman winner declaring now. I've never in my entire life seen a consistent winner here, so if I have choice between being safe and possibly losing for another 4-5 years or going for broke again and possibly losing for another 4-5 years, they arent as different to me as they should be. And I apologize to anyone, including you, that might of been offended by my comments on not living in the area. I knew there was no way to say that and people not take it the wrong way, but I absolutely did not mean it maliciously or that yall were not aware at all. I dont like dealing in absolutes, I jus wanted this treated with a different level of severity then saying we can do 2018 again or that it being worse in 2019 will somehow be better for the long run, I vehemently disagree on that. This is completely unsubstainable, and no, Snyder will run this franchise into the ground before he sells its hes that arrogant, so I have no hope for that or what this will look like if it gets to that point. And you know me, it I say I dont have hope in something you know I mean it : ( Theres already a thread about what to do about QB. I said I'd wait to answer, then made my own thread for my answer. I'm not against that discussion, but wont support it here, this is a Haskins thread, not a trade up for anyone thread.
  18. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    That's a fair question that I asked myself as well. To me, if Urban Meyer said he had to change his offe se because it didnt make sense to nit take advantage if how good a passer he is, that speaks volumes to me. If we can agree hed be a great fit in Jay's offense, which is something Jay has never really had here, that has to matter. This isnt jus any QB I'm talking about, hes also from here, I believe hed be a great fit here. I think we'll know more when combine comes. We .ight not have to trade up to #1 now that I heard the Heisman winner just declared for draft as well, but I want Haskins here, he'd be perfect here. You dont have to other people are saying hed be a great fit as well. Refuse to lose, get used to it, and some more facts if you want to participate in this discussion. I'm not interested in a pissing contest with you, I'm trying to save my favorite team. If some of yall are not scared of sucking a couple more years, guess what I am, that's the disconnect.
  19. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    You can certainly look at the standpoint that it did not work, but it's really not right to ignore if it did. Its not like this hasnt worked for other teams, that particular case that didnt work for us, but I'd like to see anybody with a straight face say if it did work they still wouldnt of done the trade. Can you? Please step forward to the front of congregation. We went through point system a couple pages back, it would be an extra third round pick to do with what we did for RG3 trade plus a player. Id trade one of either CT, Reed, or Guice in a heartbeat given they are young talented players that cant stay healthy. Hell, why not package all of them so this costs us less picks and cap space? Yall are killing many, how many times I gotta tell yall i dont trust him with either? If its agreed that Haskins is worth trading up for, and that's what people making mock drafts are starting to say and it's getting louder, then I'm listening to them, not Bruce. Why do yall trust him to not draft more players in later rounds with injury histories which is his m.o. now? What's going to happen to this team and franchise if in 2-3 we dont have a young franchise QB and still talking about if only our players could stay healthy? I am trying my best not to be infuriated that's the microscope view of the point I made there, after everything I've said so far in this thread and in my OP. I was at the eagles game at fedex, we do NOT have as much time as yall think we do, we dont, I'm pulling the fire alarm here and everyone keeps telling me the last one wasn't a fire even though there is one now. This is bad, this is really really bad. I do, too, and I want to keep having this convo with yall as long as we can keep it cordial. I'm not the enemy here. Please, please, for the love of God, can we stop talking about what this franchise should do to build this team right knowing this front office wont do it? I feel like looking at this front office as what would work considering who they are versus who we want them to be. What I want them to be does not matter, they've made that absolutely clear bringing them all back despite their track record, they are who they are.
  20. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    You're being too sensitive on that one and I've been trying to explain this entire thread exactly what i just said on that one, so not suprised you took it that way because no one is listening to me anyway. The fan base is dying, nowhere is it more apparent then right here in the DC area. I know you know, but that was my last plea to get yall to see how bad this is and why we need to do something like this. Apparently that does not matter, we are going to stay stuck in what should do knowing we wont do it without asking if doing it yalls way doesnt work. This may have to wait until the combine when the calls for this guy being what we need becomes deafining. Do I have to quote myself? Said it's not taken as seriously by teams with elite QBs as teams without. Them losing a lick doesnt negate that they have no fear of trading down, losing them or outright trading them because they dont have to waste one every 4 years on a QB or lose multiple trading up for one. You think cowboys send a first rounder for Cooper if they didnt have Dak? They made it to second round of the playoffs this year, they arent not sweating this like we are right now. It's not that dont find it important, they are jus in different situation because they are trying to get a franchise QB what what he needs to be successful instead of trying to find a franchise wb You wont go anywhere without a QB, though.
  21. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    I'm not talking to y'all like that, why you think it's okay talking to me like that?
  22. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    @goskins10 I'm heading out, but want to be clear I never said teams don't value first round picks. You make some points I agree and disagree with. I notice your profile says you live in Atlanta, you still live down there? How many of y'all saying we shouldn't do this don't live in the area? Y'all might be used to rarely seeing redskins fans, I'm not, something is seriously wrong here, and it's not getting better, its getting worse.
  23. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    Patriots didn't draft someone in the first round in three of the last six drafts. This isn't the 1980s anymore, its a league dominated by QBs, and even model franchises don't value first rounders the way people in this thread do once they have one an elite one. They'll reach, they'll bust, they'll even trade them away completely. You have no idea how bad I want to do what your talking about, but we cant, we don't have time to try and do that. We could try that and be wrong and still not have a QB, then what?
  24. Renegade7

    Trade up to draft Haskins???

    I've posted a couple links about people thinking he's going to be that good in this thread. I don't expect everyone to go through whole thread, but this is already starting to feel like a time loop, mostly because a lot of y'all just don't want to do it. It doesn't matter what I say or link I post, and I get that. Jus let me know if you read the rest of the thread or not before we keep going on this, I don't want to feel like I'm ignoring anyone anymore then I want to keep repeating myself.
  25. I don't like categorizing my fandom, its not that simple. They remind me of concept of home considering I moved too much to have hometown or childhood friends. They remind me of my dad for our chance no matter what is going in have this to talk about. This supposed to be a distraction, I demand winning because that what they are supposed to do and it's good for the area I'm from and live in. Redskins leave and another franchise takes their place, odds are dad and I will root for them instead. I don't demand winning as part of being a fan, that not why I'm here.