FAREWELL to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

[Riggo#44]

18 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I just want to remind everybody that Haskins blows. I’m planning to stand outside of his house on Christmas Eve with a megaphone shouting “COME OUT HERE DWAYNE! I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY TO YOU!” and if he comes out I’m going to say, “YOU SUCK!!”

 

[XxSpearheadxX]

7 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

 

All I know is, if my career were in jeopardy and the stakes were that high, I'd damn sure be doing whatever I could to show I was committed to changing & improving & earning it. Just my $0.02

I think this what rubs people wrong about him. I know it rubs me wrong even though I am a firm believer in second chances, I wouldn't be where I am today if I hadn't recieved one.

(My teenage years and twenties were full of terrible decisions) 

 

One thing I've learned in life is humility and hard work are two of the ONLY things you personally can control. Acting like you figured everything out will not help you get better. I've learned things from people I view as much less experienced than me. But if its a better way its a better way! 

 

Its worse with dwayne because he is dripping with natural talent. I really wish he had stayed in school for another year or two. If a full training camp and off-season doesn't immediately show marked improvement in his game I feel like he just won't ever get it. 

[zCommander]

20 hours ago, Riggodrill44 said:

Your right. Haskins has been far superior than Smith. Smiths first 3 years 19td and 31 interceptions. Smith didn't throw for 3000 yrds until his 6th year. We though know how Haskins going to turn out after 14 games.

 

So we should stick with Haskins for 6 years but Ron is only here for 5 years and will be even less if he sticks with Haskins. I take it math is not your strongest suit. 

[NickyJ]

16 hours ago, zskins said:

 

So we should stick with Haskins for 6 years but Ron is only here for 5 years and will be even less if he sticks with Haskins. I take it math is not your strongest suit. 

Ah, but you missed the key: Fire Rivera after this year, get Jim Harbaugh for a year to figure out what to do with Dwayne, then fire Harbaugh again afterwards.

 

I wonder if NFL teams can trade head coaches with NCAA teams?

[SoCalSkins]

18 hours ago, zskins said:

 

So we should stick with Haskins for 6 years but Ron is only here for 5 years and will be even less if he sticks with Haskins. I take it math is not your strongest suit. 

Some supposed knowledgeable posters in this thread were calling for Ron’s head once he benched Haskins. One of the guys even insinuated the cancer was causing Ron to phone it in and that Ron is pretty much a liar. It’s a little early to quote to those posts, but we can revisit after we clinch the division. Will be a nice way to celebrate...

 

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said:

Some supposed knowledgeable posters in this thread were calling for Ron’s head once he benched Haskins. One of the guys even insinuated the cancer was causing Ron to phone it in and that Ron is pretty much a liar. It’s a little early to quote to those posts, but we can revisit after we clinch the division. Will be a nice way to celebrate...

 

 

 

Yeah I never got the RR criticism.  I was always on board. This year was going to be about assessment and development, that would explain starting Dwayne when he clearly was not the best option and the failure to use timeouts.  Around week 4 he saw that the division sucked and said "hey, why don't we just go try to win a title that's there for the taking?"  So he benched the QB who was holding the team back and went with the better options.

 

All sounds perfectly reasonable to me. 

[max21]

I’m looking at the glass half full here, he’s going to make the most of his comeback 350 yards 3 Total TDs 😤😤😤 y’all SLEEP 

[ggarriso]

2 minutes ago, max21 said:

I’m looking at the glass half full here, he’s going to make the most of his comeback 350 yards 3 Total TDs 😤😤😤 y’all SLEEP 

 

The ES Done Messed Up 🤣

[LetThePointsSoar]

17 hours ago, ggarriso said:

 

The ES Done Messed Up 🤣

 

This post wins. 

 

 

Seriously, if he gets the start, I'd love to see him play well. But I just don't think he's got it. He needs a ton of improvement to his touch on short throws and pocket presence overall. 

[Thinking Skins]

I don't get the uproar from Haskins play on Sunday. He didn't play well but neither did Smith. Both were missing open throws and their passes looked uneasy. Was it the field? Was it SFs defense? Something else? I don't know. But overall Smith's stats have been very similar to Haskins this year. 79.0 vs 79.4 Passer ratings, 35.9 vs 28.9 QBR. 5.43 vs 5.12 net yards per attempt. 202.9 vs 198.0 yards per game. Its eerily similar. 

 

Haskins made some bad passes and we all saw that. But he also did a better job of getting the balll to Thomas and JDM than he did earlier in the year. That could be due to the later two people being more confident in their roles but it could also be that Haskins has improved some in that critical area of short passes. He did miss a pass to TDM and missed an open Sims, but people are (once again) acting like Haskins threw 4 interceptions. He's being compared to Heath Shuler in terms of all time busts. We've got guys on the radio calling him a bad QB, we have fans here saying that. 

 

But all he has to do on Sunday is go in there and throw the passes he throws well, like the slants to TMC. If we have any semblance of a running game thats also an improvement because it helps create balance. And we'll see how the defense does against one of the best QBs in the league. They didn't play well against Murray, Baker, Jackson, or Stafford (or Jones rushing). I was very critical of the defense early on in the season because they weren't living up to the hype and they have the past 2 weeks. If we can see another similar performance we should win this game. But I don't think Haskins vs Smith is going to change the offensive production too much. It may change things like the huddle control and some of the unseen stuff but I don't think that will impact the stats too much. In fact I expect that Turner will put together a ball control safe type offense similar to what we were running before Barber started taking off. 

[SpacePenguin]

Yeah, I get that people love Alex Smith for some reason....but this is the 30th ranked offense this year for a reason. What's the worst Haskins could do? I guess take it down to 32 and get a higher draft pick. Works for me. *Shrugs*

Not gonna spend a lot of my time arguing over this "magical QB that throws for 200 yards a game but just wins because, although being below average, he doesn't take chances and the defense is good" narrative. He looks better than the alternatives because the alternatives have all been much worse. Great....still need a QB, and I'm fine regardless on whether they make the playoffs or not.

To each their own though.

[KDawg]

1 hour ago, SpacePenguin said:

Yeah, I get that people love Alex Smith for some reason....but this is the 30th ranked offense this year for a reason. What's the worst Haskins could do? I guess take it down to 32 and get a higher draft pick. Works for me. *Shrugs*

Not gonna spend a lot of my time arguing over this "magical QB that throws for 200 yards a game but just wins because, although being below average, he doesn't take chances and the defense is good" narrative. He looks better than the alternatives because the alternatives have all been much worse. Great....still need a QB, and I'm fine regardless on whether they make the playoffs or not.

To each their own though.

 

It isn't magic. It's psychology.

 

Since Smith arrived in DC:

 

Alex Smith quarterbacked Washington teams: 10-5

Non Alex Smith quarterbacked teams: 4-18

 

In 22 games that Smith wasn't the QB, the team won 4 games.

 

In 15 games where he was the QB, the team won 10 games. 

 

66 win percent vs. 18 win percent.

 

It's absurd the difference, and it's not because of magic. I am not sure how this slips by so many folks around here. Alex Smith has the "it" factor. His skills aren't as good as most of the starters in the league. Agreed.

 

But he has his teammates support. And that just freakin' matters, man.

 

Now, the part where I think it's important to emphasize: That doesn't mean that another QB can't come here and do something very similar AND be more highly skilled and productive. There's no question someone could do that. The question is: How much of a risk is the franchise willing to take, what options are available, and what avenue do they do it?

 

Also to note: I don't think Smith is the starter next year. It's Allen. He's no world beater and the same point as above is true... except while he IS a bit more skilled than Smith at this point, he doesn't have his teammates confidence like Alex does. 

 

To me, a trade involving assets and a massive cap hit is an absolute no. A trade up in the draft is a much more acceptable scenario as it doesn't cripple your cap or take 20% of your salary as a gamble. I wouldn't go bet 20% of my yearly pay at the casino, so I wouldn't advocate the team to do so, either. 

 

The other option is a FA QB like a Mariota + a rookie + Allen and Smith retires and joins the coaching staff if he wants.

 

But while I believe we need to upgrade the QB position, I don't think it's right to **** on the guy who, when plays, has a 48% better win percentage than the team does when he doesn't play.

[88Comrade2000]

Dwayne if you are the reason we lose to Seattle; you are done.

 

Dwayne is starting Sunday.

[justice98]

3 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Dwayne if you are the reason we lose to Seattle.

 

Dwayne is starting Sunday.

 

I hear that.

 

But he gets another crack at it.  He can't lay an egg here.

[tmandoug1]

Haskins gets the start...... let's hope for the game of his life. 

[Thinking Skins]

I put one loss mainly on Dwayne's shoulders - Cleveland. We were ahead mainly due to his play and we lost due to his play. The other games were lost because we made mistakes on offense and defense and maybe Haskins didn't make the plays we wanted but they aren't on his shoulders. 

[Renegade7]

4 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I hear that.

 

But he gets another crack at it.  He can't lay an egg here.

 

Narrator - "but he did."

 

All I ask is no turnovers, hoping that might be enough. Low bar.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Didn’t like our chances all that much with Alex, like our chances less with Dwayne.

 

I just don’t see us being able to slant our way to  victory.

[JSSkinz]

What are his strengths? 

 

Rivera has started Heinicke at Carolina so Dwayne may have a short leash if he continues to show poor accuracy on the easy throws.

[mhd24]

2 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

What are his strengths? 

 

Rivera has started Heinicke at Carolina so Dwayne may have a short leash if he continues to show poor accuracy on the easy throws.

A million wr screens 

[SKiNz Jus 2 sick]

1 minute ago, mhd24 said:

A million wr screens 

So basically the same thing we been doing all along

[Thinking Skins]

9 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

What are his strengths? 

 

Rivera has started Heinicke at Carolina so Dwayne may have a short leash if he continues to show poor accuracy on the easy throws.

I hope its hurry up, a bunch of slants and wheel routes to RBs. 

 

My biggest concern isn't anything about Dwayne's play itself, its more about the confusion that seemed to be there with the routes. We had a lot of replays showing a bunch of WRs going to the same spot and making it hard to throw to one guy without throwing into double coverage. We haven't seen that as much with Alex and Kyle and I'm thinking its what Ron was referring to with the 52 vs 1 comment about Dwayne.  If the players are better at this then I think Dwayne can continue to execute the offense the way he was doing in weeks 1-4. 

[Riggodrill44]

On 12/16/2020 at 8:35 PM, zskins said:

 

So we should stick with Haskins for 6 years but Ron is only here for 5 years and will be even less if he sticks with Haskins. I take it math is not your strongest suit. 

See there you go looking into your magic 8 ball again. 
 

I think we will know what we need to know about Haskins after a couple of seasons. That doesn’t mean starting for a couple , but developing IN THE SAME SYSTEM for a couple of years.

[Riggodrill44]

23 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

Some supposed knowledgeable posters in this thread were calling for Ron’s head once he benched Haskins. One of the guys even insinuated the cancer was causing Ron to phone it in and that Ron is pretty much a liar. It’s a little early to quote to those posts, but we can revisit after we clinch the division. Will be a nice way to celebrate...

 

 

You saying Ron wasn’t talking BS? 
He cut AP, he wouldn’t use his timeouts. He consistently said ITS NOT ABOUT WINS BUT DEVELOPMENT. 
 

Then it wasn’t, maybe you didn’t hear that but a lot of people did.

[Thinking Skins]

3 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

I think we will know what we need to know about Haskins after a couple of seasons. That doesn’t mean starting for a couple , but developing IN THE SAME SYSTEM for a couple of years.

Even if its in differrnt systems, we will see what Haskins has in this league. People said he'd never get another chance here in DC after his demotion and now here he is. Ron is saying positive things right now but we'll see if its true or not. But there are several guys who don't put it all together for a while in the league (Alex Smith is one of them). Some of them remain the starter throughout the turmoil, some get chances to start in another location, some get chances to be a backup. And if coaches like his work ethic and talents then he'll get another chance, or if (like here) he just gets a chance because of injuries to the guys ahead of him. But the question becomes what will he do with it. These opportunities are not unlimited. Paxton Lynch is out of the league after being cut by Pittsburgh this year.