Unbias Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 A lot of people are coming down hard on Cravens for being a distraction and not wanting to play football. Are we really looking at the right person to blame? Did the scouts accurately understand Su'a's passion for the game? This is becoming more and more important in the player analysis. I can't imagine they would spend a 2nd round draft pick on a player with only going by the tape and combine performance. There had to be a meeting where if that wasn't asked that's on the scout, not the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawRebel Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 43 minutes ago, sempre_victrix said: My statement was sarcasm, leveled at a team that seems to like players like Cravens, who really don't belong in the NFL, but make a "good" story. I'm shocked that the Redskins' front office didn't do something as stupid as give a spot to Marley. Sometimes, you do it out of need, Dunbar for instance, but there is no way Cravens should have been a #2. Really? You want a 5'8" LB? We agree to disagree. Wasn't London Flecther considered undersized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 A lot has been said about Cravens, but I think it's pretty simple really. He's an immature kid who doesn't really love the game. From all that's been put out there, it seems his heart was never really in it. Combined with having a few injuries, I can see why a player who didn't love football would lose any interest in playing it. All his ranting on social media and his diva attitude just goes further in showing how immature he really is, and how incapable and unwilling he is to really dedicate himself to his craft in order to succeed. At this point, I don't think the dedicated men in that locker room would even want a player like that back. His taped conversation with Compton said everything you needed to know about Cravens. He doesn't want to be there. He'd rather show off his tattoos and chat up a porn star or two to get Instagram likes. His NFL career is done. Stick a fork in him, and let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I've always kind of had the impression that he was more of a instagram, social media, Kardashian dating wanna be kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hail4Life said: I've always kind of had the impression that he was more of a instagram, social media, Kardashian dating wanna be kind of guy. Which I've heard from a lot of people. That brings me to the question, why wouldn't he want to continue playing football? It's the only way he can maintain the little bit of celebrity he has. If he chooses to quit football, he may have a little window of time to sell his story about why he quit, but nobody is going to care in a few months, if that. I find the 'doesn't love football' angle sort of hard to believe considering what was written about him prior to making it to the NFL. I think he may actually love the glorious part of football: making the big hit, interception, etc. What he probably doesn't like is the 'job' part of football: practice, injuries, rehab, being held accountable for what he does and says on and off the field, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 On 9/3/2017 at 10:07 AM, readonly said: If he is such a putty wink that he wants to quick after one year then he never should have signed up for the draft and signed a multi-year contract. Quitting under these circumstances is NOT just a personal decision, it affects the entire team and the fan base. If he is medically cleared to play and he just quits, then he is a massive putty wink. And those that would rush to his defense are putty winks too. Just stick to read only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 hours ago, clskinsfan said: Bigger red flag that the team DIDNT KNOW IT. With the almighty Scott running the draft. What a disaster his drafts have turned out to be. Disaster? Really? If you want to see disasters, check those drafts: 2005 to 2009 included. They are scary. 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. And 2010 & 2011 aren't great either if you go past Round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabbypatty Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Bmitch and Doc going off on this guy on their show. Not directly teeing off on him, using generalizations but definitely about him.. screw the guy. he's already done if he's considering it. Unless there's some severe mental issue nobody knows about, he's just a baby-back ****. 22 years old or not, he's a "grown" man.. I served with kids younger than him in Afganistan and Iraq who were light years more mature than this idiot.. Deshazor, show us what you got kid. Sua, hit the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, RawRebel said: Wasn't London Flecther considered undersized? Yes, but he had a heart like Secretariat's. Hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake88 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, RawRebel said: Wasn't London Flecther considered undersized? Fletcher was short, but thick muscular frame. Physically not a comparison besides height. Nico weighs like 200, fletcher 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 What would you rather have: Situation 1 - a player doesn't want to play, but is just there to grab a check. In week 17 he'd let someone walk in for a TD if it didn't impact him financially and he can get to the off season. Situation 2 - A player retires in his 2nd season. If anything Cravens is just being too transparent with his decision process, but then again we have questions and many are coming at him demanding answers. 1 hour ago, Bang said: I'll take Nico's heart. It can make up for size. If there's an open spot to fill, he or Mo Harris would be my hope. ~Bang I don't know about that. If a good athlete fails I can blame him. It's simple. I direct all frustration in one direction and move on. With a lower caliber 'high motor/heart' guy when he gets run over that's actually on me for thinking a lesser athlete could make up the gap only with effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rattlesnake88 said: Fletcher was short, but thick muscular frame. Physically not a comparison besides height. Nico weighs like 200, fletcher 240 Yeah they showed those figures in preseason as a way of saying Nico could play because Fletcher played at 230 (I think that was the weight). There is a huge difference between a 230 pound LB and one weighing 200 pounds. He was all over the field making plays. Against guys who have also been cut. It's too bad, he's clearly a player but this league is a big man's game and good big people beat good little people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 If at age 22 I had the opportunity to make over 4 million dollars in 4 years while doing something I was good at or capable of, I would tolerate just about anything and I tolerate alot of **** for alot less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempre_victrix Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, RawRebel said: Wasn't London Flecther considered undersized? Fletcher was 2" taller and 40 pounds heavier. That's a huge difference for an ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Hail4Life said: If at age 22 I had the opportunity to make over 4 million dollars in 4 years while doing something I was good at or capable of, I would tolerate just about anything and I tolerate alot of **** for alot less money. At age 22 though you were probably stupid on life. I know I was. I burnt through money like it was nothing at that age and it wasn't until later on in life I had a real respect for money. When he's 30, selling cars, needing one last sale to make commission for the month, he will be looking back at his time in the NFL like "WTF was I thinking?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Cousins say that Su'a would be welcomed back with open arms. Gruden says that Su'a don't owe the Redskins anything. Knows he has passion for football. Has a lot to decide for a young man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: At age 22 though you were probably stupid on life. I know I was. I burnt through money like it was nothing at that age and it wasn't until later on in life I had a real respect for money. When he's 30, selling cars, needing one last sale to make commission for the month, he will be looking back at his time in the NFL like "WTF was I thinking?" Exactly! I hope he knows what a golden opportunity this is and how hard it will be to ever make that kind of money again in his life. If that's not important to him now, well then good for him. But chances are, 5 years or 20 years from now he will regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, DM72 said: Cousins say that Su'a would be welcomed back with open arms. Gruden says that Su'a don't owe the Redskins anything. Knows he has passion for football. Has a lot to decide for a young man. Bout time we 'said the right things' but 'did the right things' behind closed doors.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Unbias said: With a lower caliber 'high motor/heart' guy when he gets run over that's actually on me for thinking a lesser athlete could make up the gap only with effort. I get that. Hope i'm understood,, when i say i wouldn't mind that 53rd spot going to Marley it's not because i expect or even want to see him much on defense,, more on special teams. High motor and heart can help him contribute there. Or Mo Harris, who i think can play. Regardless whoever gets the spot, i don't think we're looking at much of a contributor. At this stage look for someone you'd have to think twice about de-activating on game day. And barring that, someone who can work hard in practice. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho fan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 54 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: At age 22 though you were probably stupid on life. I know I was. I burnt through money like it was nothing at that age and it wasn't until later on in life I had a real respect for money. When he's 30, selling cars, needing one last sale to make commission for the month, he will be looking back at his time in the NFL like "WTF was I thinking?" He sits out for a while and tries to figure out what he is going to do financially when he has to return the majority of the money he has been paid to date. Maybe he has it to give back and simply goes and does his "thing" whatever that is for a period of time. How long till he realizes the "real world" isn't a picnic and wants to "un-retire"? Ricky Williams did something similar... Great talent, didn't have the heart and wanted to go smoke. Then somehow found the love of the game again obviously inspired by $$$. At this point he has an uphill battle either way I think. If he comes back he has question marks that will take a while to shed. If he decides to stay away from football I hope for his sake he has a degree that he actually earned and can put to use. I have a 22 year old son and while we (his parents) helped him out a little with paying for half his car, his car insurance, cell phone etc. for a couple years, he has been off on his own paying his own bills since he was 18. He is paying his own way for college as did I. Its amazing how rare that seems to be these days. So many young adults seem to be coddled and really have a sense of entitlement. I don't know enough about the Cravens situation so who knows his situation but I have noticed a difference in the way many millennials think. Having said all that, Im sure the baby boomers etc said similar things about generation X. Maybe Im just getting old. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Wildbunny said: Disaster? Really? If you want to see disasters, check those drafts: 2005 to 2009 included. They are scary. 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. And 2010 & 2011 aren't great either if you go past Round 1. Pathetic is still pathetic. Out of 2 full drafts so far we have a starting guard that was drafted 5th overall and a starting WR that was a 4th rounder. There is no sugar coating the results of those drafts so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Bang said: Hope the next man up can play, because after a month i don't think he'll be welcome back. ~Bang 1 This concerns me a lot. At this point, I don't think it matters what he does, the team won't want him back. We need the talent, but at what cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Pathetic is still pathetic. Out of 2 full drafts so far we have a starting guard that was drafted 5th overall and a starting WR that was a 4th rounder. There is no sugar coating the results of those drafts so far. I don't disagree, but if Fuller turns into a good nickle with all the 3 wr formations teams play these days, I do consider that a third starter. Still, blech! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: Yeah they showed those figures in preseason as a way of saying Nico could play because Fletcher played at 230 (I think that was the weight). There is a huge difference between a 230 pound LB and one weighing 200 pounds. He was all over the field making plays. Against guys who have also been cut. It's too bad, he's clearly a player but this league is a big man's game and good big people beat good little people. Nico would have been a hell of a special teams player - but its tough ti carry a 200lb linebacker (especially in a 3-4 base) on a 53 man roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, RawRebel said: Wasn't London Flecther considered undersized? he was short but stocky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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