Burgold

Depends on perspective, I guess. The only reason people say the bottom didn’t fall out last year was because of injuries. The bottom did fall fall out especially on defense. The defense was relatively intact with the exception of Jimoh. They folded, crashed, and looked about as sturdy as a rubber band used to hold back an avalanche. I think Jay threw in the towel after Colt got hurt. The year before that the defense also also fell apart at the end of the year. So did Kirk and the offense. The bottom fell out when they needed one win to get into the playoffs in their last five games and got slaughtered by everyone including a Giants team that had folded up its season months earlier.

Before Jay no one has ever wanted an East West runner, have they?

Mitch Trubitsky QB Rating 158.3 Refs 73 Redskins 4

I'm glad for Case. Always felt he was wronged by the Vikings. Feel he's going to get wronged by the Redskins, too, but at least here he knows he's on a one year audition with the rookie of the future in hand.

We have no second. We traded it for Sweat (unless I'm misremembering)

Some jump the shark. Norman jumped the bull. I think one of the reasons we are so tough on Norman is that we in Redskinsland know what truly great cornerbacking looks like. We know Darrell Green and Champ Bailey and so many others on this team who were truly elite. Norman is probably good, but he is expected to be great or maybe even better than great. He ain't.

I came from a non sports family, but when I was in elementary school the Redskins were just beginning to become good and Dallas was the big bully on the block. I became a Redskins fan in part because of the obnoxious kids who weren't smart enough to know that you root for the home team. Luckily, we became great almost immediately and stayed there until I was about twenty. Those who were bred into the Redskins family or came to it as I did because of regional loyalty have my respect. You have stayed a fan with almost no payoffs. The inducements to cheer for this team are few. Somehow, we are not lovable losers like the cubs were for ninety years or the Browns have been for my entire lifetime. The Gibbs teams were incredibly easy to support not only because they were winning but because the coaches, players, GM were all cool. Jack Kent Cooke was a bit of an ass, but in a loving curmudgeon-Thurston-Howell-the Third kind of way. In any case, I hope all of us have reason to rally and cheer soon. We don't have many malcontents or criminals on the roster right now. No dirty players. Jay is a lovable, clueless doofus... sort of the NFL's version of Winnie the Pooh, but without the common sense and far too many scars from bee stings. Bruce Allen is Darth Vader though which means he could possibly be redeemed if only his son would whop off his hand and he gets hit repeatedly by lightning. It could happen to Bruce. One can hope. I won't bother talking about Snyder, I have more sympathy for him than most. Perhaps that's because I view him as Gollum, a being corrupted by greed and the desire to possess that one football ring forever being kept out of his reach. Frodo had sympathy for Snyder. You should, too. Don't be a Sam... Wait a minute? Sam was the hero who brought the world to rights. Damn it! Be Sam. We must all be Sam! We need more Sams on this team. At least give us a damn Legolas and Gimli! Enough with these stupid Treants who think it takes a decade to rebuild a team. Gah! (That was fun. :nerd: )

I am starting to believe that Peterson said something about Gruden’s wife and children. I mean it’s kind of nuts the lengths Jay is going to to insult Peterson in the Press and then not to play him or even have him on the field at all other times. It feels personal.

I kept forgetting we were at Fed Ex. It just felt like a Dallas home game. I don't blame the fans for selling their tickets or not showing. I don't blame Dallas for hoovering up a chance to see their team. It does suck though.

@ThomasRoane I'd agree except no one would ever confuse Joe Barry with low key and average. When selected, he already had the record of one of the worst defensive coordinators in NFL history. Everyone was confused by the pick esp. considering the people Gruden seemingly rejected or had to be wrestled even into interviewing.

Thing is, I don't think you can get a DC upgrade without getting rid of Jay (and possibly Bruce) Reason being, every good DC or good DC prospect knows that Jay's on the hot seat and if you can't convince them otherwise there's no reason to tie themselves to the mast of a sinking ship. We saw that last year. I think there was a semi-good faith effort to replace Manusky. They said they wanted too. Yet when the dust settled they replaced a few position coaches and really had to fight to even do that, managing to pull a few guys out of retirement. I do think there's sufficient talent on this squad to excite a DC or new HC, but you have to get rid of some of rain clouds that hang over this team. Right now, like him or hate him, whether he's the problem or the victim, Jay is a rain cloud as far as DC's are concerned. I think Bruce is, too. I don't think Dan Snyder drags on their decision as much as others.

So, just for the sake of misery how do you aportion what we are seeing. Off the top of my head: It's the talent's fault. 23% It's Bruce Allen's/the Front Office's fault 32% It's the coaches fault 45%

I'm with @Bakedtater1 for the most part. If you think there is no redemption and no hope find something better to do with your life. Don't let football be a joy-suck. Personally, I think that this year has almost no hope and I have felt that way since the decision to retain Jay, Manusky, and Bruce was made last year. That said, a few fireflies flicker in the dark. When we're up a part of me says, "Maybe?" but the fun of this year is watching the rooks shine. Seeing McClaurin, Holcomb, and others flash is enough to sustain me under this collapsed mine. I would never tell anyone to stop being a fan. That's dumb. I might suggest you take a haitus from watching if that's what your sanity or happiness requires. After all, this is going to be a terrible, horrible, no-good, miserable, rotten, pathetic year.

I dunno. I think that's a pipe dream. You can build the most awesome, fan-friendly building ever made. Each chair can have massage attachments and come with free, unlimited beer. You can eliminate all seat obstruction and provide free zooms, every bell and whistle you can imagine. Hell, you can make the seats hover and be able to move to any height the fan desires or give it the ability to go into intangible, ghost mode and put every stadium seat on the field itself. People still won't go if they don't believe in the team. Ultimately, the on field product is what sells the experience. I mean RFK was as bare bones as you can get. It was always sold out and always a great time.

Yep, as a whole our pass blocking has been pretty good. Moses and Scherrf are having some problems. I wonder if they see the writing on the wall and are half-hearting it. Are any of the players willing to fight for Jay or are they doing their best and that's what we're seeing.