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Kilmer17

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Just now, Larry said:

 

Yes you did. You just didn't say it intentionally. :) 

 

BornA stated that he has never once seen a single person (outside of one demographic) do something. You stated that it's because that one demographic (which you feel entitled to speak for) "aren't emotional infants". 

Yes.  Which is a completely different statement than  "everybody in the country except "middle aged, middle classed white guys" is an emotional infant."  Which is what you claimed I said.  

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DogofWar1

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Why is Gregg Phillips even being mentioned as an "expert?"

 

What credentials does he have that make him an "expert?"

 

Like, "source" I could understand, though that still misrepresents the guy.  "Cheerleader," frankly, is an accurate description, but maybe it sounds hostile.

 

But "expert" is way beyond what that guy is.

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btfoom

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

 

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens

By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Thursday, January 26, 2017

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.

Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.

Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.

Mr. Richman calculated that Mrs. Clinton would have collected 81 percent of noncitizen votes.

“Is it plausible that non-citizen votes added to Clinton’s margin? Yes,” Mr. Richman wrote. “Is it plausible that non-citizen votes account for the entire nation-wide popular vote margin held by Clinton? Not at all.”

Still, the finding is significant because it means noncitizens may have helped Mrs. Clinton carry a state or finish better than she otherwise would have.

 

 

So, not as "crazy" as it may have seemed.

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LadySkinsFan

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Grasping at straws.

 

The paranoia of the right is trying to justify voter suppression.  What are you afraid of, that the country is more progressive than you want? 

 

Well guess what, we are motivated now.  Instead of dividing us, all Trump and Republicans are doing is UNITING us, and 2018 isn't that far away.

 

I've seen protests starting to be calendared on a monthly basis.  And today is just the start of judicial action.

 

Don't forget, we stopped the Vietnam War.

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Bang

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Uh,, what finding?

he "extrapolates" who he BELIEVES these supposed 6.4% of non-resident voters WOULD have voted for.

 

How the HELL do you do that?

 

"It is PLAUSIBLE" does not mean IT IS. It means "If everything we have supposed is true, THEN it could have happened this way."

 

and "may have helped" can also mean "may not have helped"
"MAY" is a BIG FAT MEDIA TRICK word to write nothing into something  "MAY" means absolutely nothing, "MAY" means " we guessed.".. may means it may not. "MAY" does not mean "DID". Ever.


So we have a supposition, an extrapolation, and a guess as to what these people MAY have done IF they did it.

 

Please.

it can be a starting point to try to find concrete evidence to back it up, but in no way is it evidence of anything on its own.

 

~Bang

 

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No Excuses

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You can always expect btfoom to lay some drive by turds in any thread he enters. 

 

The ODU study is based entirely off of online surveys. If you think you can make conclusions on in person voting and elections fraud based on an online survey, then lord have mercy on you and your ability to think.

 

It has to be even more embracing that the author himself has asked conservative media and Trump to stop misrepresenting his work. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2017/01/author-trumps-favorite-voter-fraud-study-says-everyones-wrong/amp/?client=safari

 

For crying out loud, states have voter roles that they can assess to determine if non-citizens are faridelenty voting. All 50 states, including majority with Republican election boards and Secretary of States have verified this.

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btfoom

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http://townhall.com/columnists/deroymurdock/2017/01/28/why-do-democrats-fear-trumps-probe-of-fake-voter-fraud-n2277853

 

Why Do Democrats Fear Trump’s Probe of “Fake” Voter Fraud?

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Why Do Democrats Fear Trump’s Probe of “Fake” Voter Fraud?
  

NEW YORK — Three days into President Donald J. Trump’s action-packed first week in office, he promised “a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD,” as he explained Wednesday morning, via Twitter. This will include “those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!”

 

This impending probe follows Trump’s private remarks to congressional leaders Monday night that some 3 to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote last November 8.

 

Democrats, in response, are foaming at their mouths, although one wonders if they have any foam left. How odd. They should welcome this examination. If voter fraud really is a fevered, baseless, Right-wing fantasy, as they reliably insist, this investigation will vindicate them and make Trump look like a cranky, paranoid conspiracist. Liberals should smile and egg Trump on.

 

Instead, Rep. Adam Schiff (D–CA) warns, “Our new president is doingdeep damage to himself and to our country.” Regarding Trump’s plan, U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) insists: “Fight it NOW!”

 

Democrats and their sentinels in the Old Guard media unconvincingly argue that Trump offers “no evidence” of voter fraud, so don’t investigate. This total non-sequitur is akin to a doctor looking into a patient’s eyes and saying, “I see no evidence of lung cancer, so let’s skip that chest x-ray.”

 

In their hearts, the Left knows Trump is right, at least on the existence of voter fraud. And that’s what terrifies them. His investigation will highlight the fraud that exists and, furthermore, show whether these problems are as pervasive as Trump believes.

 

Indeed, registration irregularities are disturbingly routine. According to a 2012 Pew Center for the States report, 1.8 million dead Americans were registered to vote. Also, 2.75 million Americans were enrolled in two states each, while 68,725 were enrolled in three. Indeed, Pew found, “24 million — one of every eight — active voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.”

 

And, yes, Virginia. Voter fraud happens.

 

  • CBS2 Los Angeles found 265 dead voters in southern California last May. Many cast ballots “year after year.”
  • Ohio Democrats cheered Melowese Richardson at a May 2014 Cincinnati-area rally, as Townhall’s Guy Benson recalls. Richardson was convicted of voting twice in 2012 and casting ballots in three earlier elections on behalf of her comatose sister.

 

  • North Carolina announced in April 2014 that 13,416 dead voters were registered, of whom 81 recently had voted. Among 35,750 North Carolinians also registered in other states, 765 voted in the 2012 general election both inside and outside the Tarheel State.
  • South Carolina’s attorney general determined in January 2012 that 953 people “were deceased at the time of their participation in recent elections.”
  • In Fairfax County, Virginia, Heritage Foundation scholar Hans von Spakovsky discovered 278 non-citizens registered to vote in 2011, of whom 117 had voted in state and federal elections.

     

If these five examples seem paltry, check out the Heritage Foundation’s non-exhaustive sample of 742 criminal convictions for vote-fraud.

 

Media Matters ridiculed vote fraud concerns as “a series of myths that right-wing media have pushed for years.” And yet it keeps taking place.

 

It would help if Democrats, Left-wing activists, and the hyenas in America’s newsrooms explained just how “widespread” voter fraud must become before they consider it an injustice. Every ballot cast by a cadaver or an illegal alien negates a ballot completed by a legitimate voter. How many such genuine votes is it OK for fraud to obviate? Is it 100? How about 1,000? Maybe 10,000 — or ten times that figure?

 

How many on the Left who attack Trump on this issue would sign up to have their votes erased by invalid ballots? Every Leftist who screamed, “Count every vote!” during the 2000 Florida Bush v. Gore meltdown should empathize with the Right’s parallel imperative: “Protect every vote!”

 

While the world patiently awaits that development, America’s 45th president may pursue this issue as energetically as his predecessor concealed it.

 

“President Trump’s decision to renew the federal government’s interest in enforcing laws against election fraud and the procedures that work to prevent such activities is important,” said J. Christian Adams, president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation and former federal prosecutor in the Justice Department’s Voting Division. “The Obama Administration had the tools to fight voter fraud but let them gather dust. Because of that neglect of their duties, aliens got on the rolls, people voted multiple times, and lawlessness took hold of our elections.”

 

In Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department, Adams chronicles the mercifully departed Obama Administration’s hostility to ballot-integrity laws. Indeed, former attorney general Eric Holder sued Florida in 2012 when state officials tried to remove 51,308 dead people and other ineligibles from voter rolls, asrequired by the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002 and the federal National Voter Registration Act of 1993, signed by President Bill Clinton!

 

Adams recommends a machete that would help Trump chop quickly to the center of much of this fraud.

 

The Homeland Security Department’s Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database lists all non-citizens in America. These include green card holders, foreign tourists, exchange students, and those on work visas as well as illegals who have broken the law or otherwise surfaced on Uncle Sam's radar. Adams tells me: “This is the ultimate alien database.”

 

Comparing SAVE’s names with registered and actual voters should demonstrate, rather swiftly, the extent of non-citizen involvement in America’s election system. It also would identify violators, who should be punished.

 

“If that federal database were used to scrub the state databases,” Adams predicts, “all sorts of illegals would pop out. That’s what the Left fears the most. It would reveal rats everywhere.”

 

Obama barred state election officials from SAVE since, as he might have said, Let me be clear, vote fraud is a myth, so why measure it? When Florida successfully sued to access SAVE, DHS did not hand Tallahassee these records. Instead, Florida officials had to ask DHS to scrutinize each suspicious name individually. This slowed things to a trickle.

 

Trump should open SAVE’s spigots so every state may compare its voters against this massive database. States led by Republicans, who cherish ballot integrity, most assuredly will embrace these records.

 

In contrast, California, New York, and other Democrat strongholds likely will spurn SAVE.

 

Luckily, Adams observes, there is a statute for that. Then-U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy used 42 U.S. Code §1974b to acquire election-related documents from southern states that blocked blacks from voting in the early 1960s. What sweet justice for Trump to deploy the same duly enacted federal law that RFK harnessed to demand the voter rolls of intransigent Democrat states and determine if they are awash in illegal aliens and other non-citizen voters.

 

After Trump’s inquiry, the scale of voter fraud may or may not reach his claim of 3 to 5 million bogus ballots. By now, however, the Left should know better than to underestimate him. Trump has a gravity-defying knack for confounding his critics and landing on his feet.

 

Trump’s analysis almost surely will show that voter fraud is greater than zero, which is the number that Democrats claim it to be. And that’s the point. Americans should have zero tolerance for voter fraud. How sad that this problem is among the few things that reputedly tolerant Democrats actually tolerate


 

And note, unlike many of the posters above, I am not "calling out any posters",  like some have done to me.  I am just posting news to discuss.

 
 
 
 
 
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bearrock

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Is the formatting of the above post reflective of the quality of the content?  

 

So, based on the extrapolation, Clinton got 2 million more instead of 2.8 million?  I'm fine with an investigation into voter fraud.  If it turns out to be a massive waste money chasing unsubstantiated speculation, can we have Trump pay for it?

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btfoom

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Just now, Dan T. said:

btfoom voted for Trump 3 million times, so it all evens out.

 

See, I only voted 2.987065 million times, each for "Mickey Mouse", so that may be an issue.

 

and I still say that @Dan T. is the BEST poster here. Check out the  'Owned thread" to see that I can't hold a candle to him.

3 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

btfoom is my 2nd favorite poster on this whole site.

And you have now become my 1.5 favorite poster on this site (see @Dan T. in owned thread and @BraveonWarpath in Terps thread).

 

These guys are genius.

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2 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You're my #2 but don't get excited. Everybody else is tied for 1st.

That's not very nice. I was just clearing off a space on my trophy shelf for that award.  i was going to work very hard to get it.:headbang:

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Burgold

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Only good that could come out of this is if they found serious enough levels of fraud that they invalidated Trump's election and kicked Trump, Bannon, Pence, and every damn cabinet kick out. Chances are that they will find it and if they do publish it are pretty damned slim. It's not just that their ideas are bad or they are incompetent... it's so much worse.

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Springfield

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This whole illegal voting bull**** message from Trump is a way to divert attention from the fact that Russia actually tried to mettle in our election.

 

Notice how this thread has been active in comparison to the Russia tampering thread?  It's working.

 

Trump is playing the media and the country like a fiddle.

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Springfield

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6 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

The immigration thread.

 

More alternative facts. ?

 

 

The point is that people have been talking about Russian hacking, a legitimate concern and one confirmed by all of the intelligence agencies.  Trump has not addressed this, yet continues to push forward this assertion that 3 million people voted illegally and all of them voted for Hillary.  He is drowning the media in this story, and naturally, they're happy to oblige becaue Trump's absurd statements get ratings.  It's a race to the bottom.

 

The media isn't talking about Russia whatsoever.  Unless you consider to be related as reporting that Trump and Putin will have their first meeting since the election.

 

Trump's game plan, when he reaches these impasses, is to blitz the media with absurd statements.  Between his claims of the election being rigged against him and his EO to "ban Muslims", the Russian hacking is no longer top of mind.

2 minutes ago, tshile said:

I thought posts with 6+ tweets were bad. Btfoom sets the bar with the 1 letter per line post.

 

 

Should probably just delete the damn thing.

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