The "Re-Opening" the Economy Thread

[LD0506]

[MartinC]

7 hours ago, twa said:

The bar owner has the ability/permission to open now.

 

Did he expect someone to pay him to stay closed till this was over,,,,if it ever is?

Permission to open is not the same as ability. The later requires customers, staff - and capital. 
 

Restaurants run on very fine margins. Around 8%. That requires an occupancy levels way beyond what’s reasonable to expect - especially if (as in Florida) regulations limit your occupancy to 25%. The owners might as well stand in the street and burn money.

 

And therein lies the rub. ‘Reopening the economy’ is not and will not be a political decision, it will largely be one taken by consumers and business owners trying to anticipate their behaviour. Inconvenient though that may be to some politicians. Land of the free and all that ...
 

What Government can do is provide access to the capital (underwriting credit?) small business owners will need to reopen, provide income for people laid off that keeps people in homes and able to feed their families  (and medical insurance) and - most importantly - do their damn jobs and organise testing at the capacity needed, tracing capability and ultimately a vaccine.

[LadySkinsFan]

21 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

What Government can do is provide access to the capital (underwriting credit?) small business owners will need to reopen, provide income for people laid off that keeps people in homes and able to feed their families  (and medical insurance) and - most importantly - do their damn jobs and organise testing at the capacity needed, tracing capability and ultimately a vaccine.

 

Exactly why I advocate for bottom up economic assistance rather than the usual trickle down voodoo economics.

[Larry]

24 minutes ago, MartinC said:

And therein lies the rub. ‘Reopening the economy’ is not and will not be a political decision, it will largely be one taken by consumers and business owners trying to anticipate their behaviour. Inconvenient though that may be to some politicians. Land of the free and all that ...

 

However, while "reopening" the economy does not mean that businesses will choose to open, (especially the ones that are actually responsible), it does allow politicians to say "well, we gave you permission to go back to work and risk your life for no money, and you didn't do it, so therefore you're a lazy leach trying to milk the taxpayer, and therefore the government should do absolutely nothing to help you through this disaster'.  

[twa]

28 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Permission to open is not the same as ability. The later requires customers, staff - and capital. 
 

 

 

I grossed 20 bucks this week, net ain't pretty 😂

 

thankfully other periods were better.....and that I was allowed to earn money.

 

 

[MartinC]

Just now, twa said:

 

I grossed 20 bucks this week, net ain't pretty 😂

 

thankfully other periods were better.....and that I was allowed to earn money.

 

 

Allowed ... but it seems not able. Seriously sorry you are caught on the thin end of all this.

[twa]

2 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Allowed ... but it seems not able. Seriously sorry you are caught on the thin end of all this.

 

Thanks, but I'm better off than those precluded from earning....at least for now.

 

****ers were working me to death till now.

[visionary]

 

[justice98]

15 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

 

Cant have a sign inside the Capitol, but you can have a fully loaded firearm.  

[LD0506]

 

He's just screaming "Blue Lives Matter!"

 

 

[skinsmarydu]

3 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

Cant have a sign inside the Capitol, but you can have a fully loaded firearm.  

If you're white. 

(As someone here wisely posted a couple weeks ago). 

[Renegade7]

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

Well I'd say the first step is to pass a law saying guns aren't allowed in that building.  Seems pretty simple to me. 

[EmirOfShmo]

Interesting read...

 

PARIS, Texas (AP) — Barely a week ago, rural Lamar County could make a pretty good argument for Texas' reopening on Friday.

Only a handful of the 50,000 residents here, right on the border with Oklahoma, had tested positive for the coronavirus. None had died. The mayor of Paris, Texas — a pit stop for drivers passing through to snap a selfie with the city's miniaturized Eiffel Tower — had drive-thru virus testing in the works, just to give locals peace of mind. Some wore masks but many saw little reason to bother.

Then an outbreak at a nursing home turned up over the weekend.

Now at least 65 people are infected, and everything has changed. A courier drove 11 hours through the night to pick up testing kits and stores are second-guessing reopening as Lamar County becomes a cautionary tale of the fragility of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's plan to get Texas back in business faster than many states. And on the eve of every retailer, restaurant and movie theater being allowed to let customers back in the door, Texas set a single-day record high for fatalities Thursday with 50.

“We don’t know what it’s going to do here,” said Taylor Wright, owner of Aden Ann's, a women's boutique in Paris. Word of the sudden outbreak at Paris Healthcare Center, she said, shelved her plans to reopen over fears of exposing her staff and family.

“We don’t know where it’s all spreading," she said.

The whiplash in Paris from healthy outlier to overnight hot spot illustrates the balancing act states are taking on as they begin relaxing public health restrictions, particularly in places with Republican governors, who broadly support President Donald Trump's determination to get the U.S. economy back up and running.

 

More at the link ---- https://www.yahoo.com/news/then-boom-outbreak-shows-shaky-215051818.html

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

My heart goes out to all the small business owners and their employees who are being forced off of government assistance via “Re-opening”.  

[Supernatural24]

1 hour ago, EmirOfShmo said:

Interesting read...

 

PARIS, Texas (AP) — Barely a week ago, rural Lamar County could make a pretty good argument for Texas' reopening on Friday.

Only a handful of the 50,000 residents here, right on the border with Oklahoma, had tested positive for the coronavirus. None had died. The mayor of Paris, Texas — a pit stop for drivers passing through to snap a selfie with the city's miniaturized Eiffel Tower — had drive-thru virus testing in the works, just to give locals peace of mind. Some wore masks but many saw little reason to bother.

Then an outbreak at a nursing home turned up over the weekend.

Now at least 65 people are infected, and everything has changed. A courier drove 11 hours through the night to pick up testing kits and stores are second-guessing reopening as Lamar County becomes a cautionary tale of the fragility of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's plan to get Texas back in business faster than many states. And on the eve of every retailer, restaurant and movie theater being allowed to let customers back in the door, Texas set a single-day record high for fatalities Thursday with 50.

“We don’t know what it’s going to do here,” said Taylor Wright, owner of Aden Ann's, a women's boutique in Paris. Word of the sudden outbreak at Paris Healthcare Center, she said, shelved her plans to reopen over fears of exposing her staff and family.

“We don’t know where it’s all spreading," she said.

The whiplash in Paris from healthy outlier to overnight hot spot illustrates the balancing act states are taking on as they begin relaxing public health restrictions, particularly in places with Republican governors, who broadly support President Donald Trump's determination to get the U.S. economy back up and running.

 

More at the link ---- https://www.yahoo.com/news/then-boom-outbreak-shows-shaky-215051818.html

I drove through that town in December. 

[Die Hard]

3 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

 

Just curious.... is it also legal to point your weapon at someone?

[spjunkies]

These people are nothing but a bunch of nerds who think walking around with military gear makes them look badass, this is nothing more than an opportunity for them to get some kind of attention. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

2 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

These people are nothing but a bunch of nerds who think walking around with military gear makes them look badass, this is nothing more than an opportunity for them to get some kind of attention. 

until they kill someone...

[LadySkinsFan]

A courier drove 11 hours through the night to pick up testing kits and stores are second-guessing reopening as Lamar County becomes a cautionary tale of the fragility of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's plan to get Texas back in business faster than many states. 

 

The reason why I ordered face masks because stupid people.

 

BTW, all comments stopped on the FB post after I posted that we all have choices, that's what pro-choice means.  You'd think that I yelled Boo!

[Supernatural24]

30 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

These people are nothing but a bunch of nerds who think walking around with military gear makes them look badass, this is nothing more than an opportunity for them to get some kind of attention. 

No they aren't. America been underestimating these people for a long time. 

[Springfield]

Judging by the traffic on Old Keene Mill Rd, you’d think the economy was back open.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

10 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Judging by the traffic on Old Keene Mill Rd, you’d think the economy was back open.

 

Yeah, the traffic in Ashburn is inching back up too...

[Larry]

4 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Well I'd say the first step is to pass a law saying guns aren't allowed in that building.  Seems pretty simple to me. 

 

And risk the NRA???????

[Springfield]

9 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Yeah, the traffic in Ashburn is inching back up too...

The lemmings are getting restless.