Conn Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 @88Comrade2000 @Zim489 You guys were the main posters convinced Rivera was going to just promote Zampese after interviewing a wide field of prospective OC’s just to cover his ass. Thoughts? 88 I already know you’re posting your Rivera getting fired for EB after week 5 porn. So you seem pretty happy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Conn said: @88Comrade2000 @Zim489 You guys were the main posters convinced Rivera was going to just promote Zampese after interviewing a wide field of prospective OC’s just to cover his ass. Thoughts? 88 I already know you’re posting your Rivera getting fired for EB after week 5 porn. So you seem pretty happy. I didn’t think it would happen. Ron better watch out though; as he just hired his possible replacement. If we are successful due to hiring EB, the new owner could decide to go with EB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said: Whoever is “meh” on this hire is a dumb football person. Change my mind. Meh. As one of the "meh" club, I'll try and share where we may be coming from- the starter is the obvious - it's really hard to get too fired up about anything until there's clarity on the pending sale and Danny is gone. But even from a purely football standpoint, I'm not sold on the hype. Living in Chiefs country, there's a whole lot of smoke about all the reasons why he's no longer wanted there (locker room issues, how much influence did he actually have, who calls the plays, etc). Add that to the impeccable track record of us taking Andy Reid leftovers.... Consider me in the wait and see crowd. I hope he comes in and goes gangbusters, and Lord knows it would be pretty difficult to be much worse than Scott Turner. But yeah.... Feeling pretty darn meh about it. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Conn said: @88Comrade2000 @Zim489 You guys were the main posters convinced Rivera was going to just promote Zampese after interviewing a wide field of prospective OC’s just to cover his ass. Thoughts? 88 I already know you’re posting your Rivera getting fired for EB after week 5 porn. So you seem pretty happy. TBH I dont really care. Everyone is gone in a year. Im just ready to push fast-forward to a new era. Its a good hire on paper. Lets see where on the scale EB laid on the terms of success in KC. I think this excitement of him becoming HC is SUPER weird when you consider he has been passed over a dozen times for jobs. Edited February 18, 2023 by Zim489 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CjSuAvE22 said: Not Sold. Lotta hype behind this, i dont think it will work out 27 minutes ago, zCommander said: Which coordinator would you have preferred then? @CjSuAvE22 Is that you, Zampese? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Conn said: I mean five straight years of one year contracts doesn’t scream “commitment”, so idk how to take it really. I would think that situation is extremely rare, how many coordinators are constantly running on one year deals, and then have it last for half a decade? Most coordinators get three year deals. It's very unique, yeah...it doesn't scream "commitment" but it also doesn't scream "We don't want him here". You bring the guy back 5 years in a row it usually means you want him, but you don't give him any more commitment than 12 months it usually means you're hedging your bets. Maybe it was Bieniemy's choice to do 1-year contracts? Like he thought he'd get a chance somewhere else or something--****, I don't know lol.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CjSuAvE22 said: Not Sold. Lotta hype behind this, i dont think it will work out Why don't you think it will work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said: Whoever is “meh” on this hire is a dumb football person. Change my mind. I'm in the meh field. There is boom or bust and then there is BOOM or BUST. This is the latter. There is stuff to like about EB, but you gotta take a lot of it on faith. He did not call plays in KC. He has never run his own O at the NFL level. The last time he ran his own O in college it went poorly. So now we are entrusting a guy with no history of doing it to run our O to new heights. There is not a whole lot of history to point to and say yeah, this dude has done these things. Its more of a hope that can do the things we are hiring him to do b/c he has not had the oppo to do it elsewhere. Is he good at calling plays? Who knows? He has never done it. It does not mean he will be bad at it, but I have nothing to point to and say he will be good. Its just a giant unknown. And that unknown is what gets me to meh. There is nothing to fall back on. This is a tightrope w/o a security net. So yeah, this could work out, or it could be a flaming disaster, and we don't have any kind of internet history to fall back on to know which way to lean as he has had limited roles. What he is about to do, he himself has never done. That was not the case with a lot of the other guys we were looking at. You could at least feel a little bit of butt-support with a few of those guys. With EB we are straight rocking a**-less chaps. If your a hot chic and can pull off the look that's great, but if your a fugly butter-face straying too far outta your lane... Oof. Edited February 18, 2023 by FootballZombie 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinRedskin Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: It's very unique, yeah...it doesn't scream "commitment" but it also doesn't scream "We don't want him here". You bring the guy back 5 years in a row it usually means you want him, but you don't give him any more commitment than 12 months it usually means you're hedging your bets. Maybe it was Bieniemy's choice to do 1-year contracts? Like he thought he'd get a chance somewhere else or something--****, I don't know lol.... Yeah I could definitely see it being more Bieniemy's choice for the 1 year contracts. He's been trying each year for a HC position and unfortunately never got picked up. So Reid was probably yeah, go interview and if not, we will re-sign you and try again. Also tough because I believe a decent amount of HC vacancies get filled up before super bowl and chiefs make the championship game or SB the past several years (I could be wrong on when vacancies were filled, just a thought). But now coming to Washington, he gets the Assistant HC title as well, not under Reid and if the offense lights it up, he looks even better. New owner comes in and still clears house, Bieniemy still looks good since the new Owner wanted his own build, or new owner thought Bieniemy did great and locks him down since he'd most likely be a top target. Granted it all could be a complete wash and he's not as great as we hoped but it's almost as though this upcoming season may be a wash anyways if get new ownership, so why not? Edited February 18, 2023 by PigskinRedskin Missed word 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said: I didn’t think it would happen. Ron better watch out though; as he just hired his possible replacement. He's not just the OC, he's Assistant HC. He's not his possible replacement, he is his replacement. All the sudden Rivera has an off-ramp should he choose to retire at some point and we have an heir apparent. This reminds me of what we coulda been with Kyle as HC had the situation with his dad not gone to hell the way it did. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, FootballZombie said: And that unknown is what gets me to meh. There is nothing to fall back on. This is a tightrope w/o a security net. Who cares if we fall off that rope? If we're trash and EB is part of the reason why, then he gets flushed with the rest of the staff, we chalk it up to Dan's parting failure, and we have a high to high-ish draft pick for a completely new staff in 24. If he and the offense are good to great, but the team is mediocre overall, then EB is a candidate to replace Ron and will have already had some success with the current roster. If the team is just good, top to bottom, period, then maybe he leaves for a HC job elsewhere, and we have to figure out the next move there, but this one seems unlikely. None of these scenarios seem particularly bad to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: He's not just the OC, he's Assistant HC. He's not his possible replacement, he is his replacement. All the sudden Rivera has an off-ramp should he choose to retire at some point and we have an heir apparent. This reminds me of what we coulda been with Kyle as HC had the situation with his dad not gone to hell the way it did. I was just thinking the same thing. We just need the new ownership to not screw it up. He’s the closest thing to a legit HC candidate on the staff since Kyle. And the best offensive mind since him too. Ron really put this organization in a good position with this one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 40 minutes ago, Bifflog said: Who cares if we fall off that rope? If we're trash and EB is part of the reason why, then he gets flushed with the rest of the staff, we chalk it up to Dan's parting failure, and we have a high to high-ish draft pick for a completely new staff in 24. If he and the offense are good to great, but the team is mediocre overall, then EB is a candidate to replace Ron and will have already had some success with the current roster. If the team is just good, top to bottom, period, then maybe he leaves for a HC job elsewhere, and we have to figure out the next move there, but this one seems unlikely. None of these scenarios seem particularly bad to me. I care about failure. Failure sucks. Sure we can move on to the next set of coaches easily w/ new ownership in the event this staff bombs, but that is one more year tolled on our cheap contracts. All our good players getting forcibly placed into a brand new system where they may not perform nearly as well. New coaches not valuing the role players we have and moving on to "their own guys". Tremendous roster turnover. Failure this year would lead to a total regime change, and that could rip us apart at the studs. Our roster right now is good enough to carry horrendous QB play to a mediocre record. That's not nothing. Ideally, I don't want to start over from scratch. A bust at OC this year likely brings the whole house down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, FootballZombie said: I care about failure. Failure sucks. Sure we can move on to the next set of coaches easily w/ new ownership in the event this staff bombs, but that is one more year tolled on our cheap contracts. All our good players getting forcibly placed into a brand new system where they may not perform nearly as well. New coaches not valuing the role players we have and moving on to "their own guys". Tremendous roster turnover. Failure this year would lead to a total regime change, and that could rip us apart at the studs. Our roster right now is good enough to carry horrendous QB play to a mediocre record. That's not nothing. Ideally, I don't want to start over from scratch. A bust at OC this year likely brings the whole house down. But even if we go with EB being meh, who would have been a better get for us? Can't just look at him in isolation. It's a very unattractive situation, lame duck year, new ownership looming, assistant coaches making lateral moves to other teams...It's not like this is objectively the place to be for coaching talent. So if you care about avoiding failure, I really don't see how EB is not the best to achieve that. He might turn out meh or even bad who knows. But he has the highest upside of any candidate we interviewed. He is the best we could do and could legitimately be a great hire if Andy Reid is right about him. That's a pretty great gamble to take in a situation like we are in. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 He had 17 interviews for HC jobs with 16 different teams since 2019 ! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Riggo#44 said: Don't forget poisoning the Trent Williams relationship. October fest. Don’t forget that. —- Different topic: I’m going to say it. Some of you are entirely too dramatic. The woah is us, I’m upset attitudes are weird. So you don’t think I’m being inflammatory (I’m not) let me explain why: Regardless of if he works or not, he is coming off of MULTIPLE SUPER BOWLS. He has coached an all-time great. He has been surrounded and watching Andy Reid for years. Being cautiously optimistic is understandable. But outright dismissing the hire is really weird. Edited February 18, 2023 by KDawg 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Renegade7 said: He's not just the OC, he's Assistant HC. He's not his possible replacement, he is his replacement. All the sudden Rivera has an off-ramp should he choose to retire at some point and we have an heir apparent. This reminds me of what we coulda been with Kyle as HC had the situation with his dad not gone to hell the way it did. That depends on how the offense does. We need to see marked improvement in the offense. Unlike many, I think there’s a ceiling of 7-9 wins. That’s a lot for a qb in his first year starting. EB has show enough that the new owner and his gm will want to keep him and make him the head coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) Commanders fans are like that woman who lives in a double wide. Pushing 45, has a lot of city miles on her. Used to be a smoke show back in the day. But a steady diet of cigarettes and booze makes her look older than she really is. She’s survived several abusive relationships but the next 350 pound Bubba that comes around and shows any amount of decency before abusing her in a drunken rage “is gonna be different!” And all you want for her is to put down the cigarettes and booze and hit the gym, save her money to get out of the trailer park and find a nice man who’ll treat her right but she’s stuck in a cycle she can’t escape. Edited February 18, 2023 by Spaceman Spiff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, FootballZombie said: I care about failure. Failure sucks. Sure we can move on to the next set of coaches easily w/ new ownership in the event this staff bombs, but that is one more year tolled on our cheap contracts. All our good players getting forcibly placed into a brand new system where they may not perform nearly as well. New coaches not valuing the role players we have and moving on to "their own guys". Tremendous roster turnover. Failure this year would lead to a total regime change, and that could rip us apart at the studs. Our roster right now is good enough to carry horrendous QB play to a mediocre record. That's not nothing. Ideally, I don't want to start over from scratch. A bust at OC this year likely brings the whole house down. The team is for sale, there’s going to be big changes in 24 regardless of our success or lack of success in 23. That would’ve been the case, regardless who we hired at oc. Ron is still dead man walking. I think Ron knows baring a playoff win, he’s gone. So, he’s doing EB a favor. If EB improves things so that we do win a playoff game, it helps Ron keep his job. If EB just improves the offense, it helps him get a head coaching job here or elsewhere. The multi- year contract give EB a financial cushion, if he gets cleaned out with rest of coaching staff. Edited February 18, 2023 by 88Comrade2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessNelms Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 We'll see what happens. The dude definitely deserves another shot at running his own offense and like a lot of people, I'm in let's see mode. I say "another shot" at running an offense because the only other time Bieniemy was an OC outside of KC- where there is some doubt to the degree of his involvement- was when he was the OC at Colorado. In his two seasons as OC at Colorado in 2011 and 2012, Colorado averaged 19 points and 17 points, which was near the bottom in all of college football for those two seasons. To be fair, those Colorado teams stunk. But at the same time, so did the Colorado teams the year before Bieniemy got there and the year after he left, when those teams averaged 24 and 23 points respectively. Also, when he got the Colorado OC gig, he wasn't some newbie to the coaching field, as his previous job was in the NFL with the Vikings, were he was RB coach for 5 seasons with the last season also carrying the Assistant HC title. So, he was a polished coach with plenty of experience when OC at Colorado. Now, also to be fair, the Colorado situation was a mess back then, so I'm not completely blaming Bieniemy for their offensive ineptitude. However, those two years are on his record as an OC and that is an undeniable fact. I'm sure Bieniemy has learned a lot since those Colorado days and being under Reid over the past 10 years has obviously had to do wonders for his development as a coach. As I said, I'm going in with a let's see mindset and am not going to be surprised if this goes well or if it goes off the tracks. After all, while he does have some weapons to work with, he obviously doesn't have a Mahomes or Kelce, so how high you can set expectations in his first season here is a fair question. The one thing I know for sure is that hiring Bieniemy does bring some excitement and juice. I'll be rooting like hell for him to succeed and look forward to seeing if he can bring a level of improvement to our O, despite not having a generational QB and TE at his disposal as he did in KC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I'm excited about the hire but LMAO 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I will say this after reading the comments. I'm cautiously wait and see, and maybe even ever so slightly optimistic about Eric B as an OC. However, I'm very much pessimistic about Eric B the head coach. I highly doubt he ever ends up as a great HC so the best case scenario for us is he does well enough here that he goes elsewhere as a HC. And I say that because of the known locker room riffs. You can mask that stuff at the coordinator level as long as you have a head coach who is great at building the culture. And say what you want about RR about football strategy and X's and O's, the guy has done a fantastic job of building the culture in the locker room (especially considering the train wreck pile of filth in the organization outside of the locker room). I think if you give the keys to the kingdom though to someone like Bieniemy, that's when it starts to crumble (i.e. case and point Josh McDaniels). Some folks are just better served as a #2 in command. Just my $.02. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 It’d be great if EB can bring in some young Chiefs assistants either to grow here or for the next staff to potentially keep around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Conn said: can’t get over how impressive this scoop is It also makes you wonder if EB was RR's target all along with Josina Anderson's curious report Bienemy's deal "is finalized" and has "already been" finalized before today, per league source.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Conn said: Some of us here have the theory that they were basically spewing BS with that to avoid talking about the Wentz failure more. It’s very obvious that every single offseason he’s done his utmost to upgrade QB so that we could pass first (and he’s failed at it, obviously). So they talked about the run game in the end of season presser because it’s a medium bright spot to talk about, and they have to resort to it every season when their QB plan fails or falls apart. But make no mistake, Rivera is a dinosaur in a lot of ways but he clearly understands that QB/passing is the way to win big nowadays. Aka they don’t really “just” want to run the ball the way they talked about. It’s weird how one series of comments they made in that presser about running, to distract from our failures trying to fix QB and pass, have lodged so deeply in people’s brains but here we are. I mentioned this on this thread, Rivera was asked about this during SB week by Michael Phillips, he told Phillips that he's open to an offense that works of any kind including a pass heavy one. But what Mayhew meant by the 2-1 run game is to have the ability to do that to ice a game like they did against Dallas. Most beat guys especially Finlay said from the jump they don't believe internally that's what they are thinking as for being that run heavy. The less polite way to express their point is if our Qb isn't that good lets major in running the ball, if the Qb us good major in passing. Edited February 18, 2023 by Skinsinparadise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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