Skinsinparadise

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    Starting QB 2019???

    Just listened to a podcast that had a lot of Qb talk from Keim and Finlay. Impressions: They weren't crazy about Alex's play and in their eyes his lack of progress in the offense. But in spite of that, Alex's teammates loved the person and that has some value. And they were clearly better with him at the helm than who followed. There is another dude in that building that the team loves the person in the same fashion, Colt McCoy. And they think Colt can make it albeit concerns about his durability. It's unlikely they trade for a QB or pay anyone a lot of money considering the cap situation as is. Flacco they say isn't happening. And its very unlikely that Bridgewater or T. Taylor is happening. Seems to be 2 most likely scenarios A. Colt and Johnson B. Colt and they draft a QB For me, I have to admit while I get its good to have a QB that teammates love and its cool that they believe so much in Colt the dude -- but isn't that a bit out of hand where that's the first thing people mention about him. You got to play, too. I hear constantly about what a great guy Eli is but it sounds like the Giants are looking for an alternative anyway. This feels a lot like the Mark Brunell narrative when he was here -- yeah maybe the dude can't go toe to toe with the better QBs in the league. But gosh what a great guy that dude and how he can joke and relax the players in the huddle. Not saying that those qualities have no value but long term I am hoping for better than Colt McCoy no matter how cool a guy he is.
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Agree. I haven't dived into Haskins much but watched some Ohio State games. Love Tua's mobility, ability to throw on the run and deep ball. To me the main questions about him is how much is his prowess about his stellar supporting cast and questions about his durability. Haskins doesn't seem ultra mobile but does have some mobility and he looks like he's built like a tank. But yeah the price to trade into the top 5 from 15 is likely to be steep whereas I think they have a decent chance to have a top 5 pick or at least top ten in 2020. I know some disagree that this team will take a step back next season, and on that front that's cool to each their own. But I am not exactly on an island with that theory among others I saw one Vegas outfit predict the Redskins as being the 2nd worst team in the NFL next season. Granted though the off season hasn't even begun so will see. Yeah I mentioned too PFF loves him. But aside from them, I noticed some like but little love among the draft geeks. Jeremiah likes him but compares him to Dalton. The narrative is typically a variation of him playing purely out of the shotgun, inconsistent foot work, and lack of arm strength if he can't put his full body into throws. On the other hand, I've seen some back the idea that he has good arm strength. Senior Bowl should be really interesting for him. I've watched 4 of Grier's games and personally I like him. He seems to have that "it" vibe about him. I just watched a tape version of the East-West game from yesterday. 2nd time for me watching Rypien. He looks accurate and goes through progressions like an NFL QB at times, etc. But from what I can see he doesn't do anything special. He doesn't have a rocket arm. He doesn't dodge pressure well or throw on the move or is mobile. He looks about the size and stature of Colt but without the mobility. My point is I am not saying the dude won't be able to play in the NFL but hard for me to see an upper echelon QB in his play and I get why some draft geeks just see him as an NFL backup. Having said that, I am obviously no scout/Qb expert so I can end up completely wrong. Judging college QBs and how they will translate to the NFL is by far the toughest scouting job in sports according to personnel guys.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    https://thefandc.radio.com/articles/chris-russell-clumsy-redskins-create-more-questions-manusky-decision Russell said he spoke with sources around the league who have described the Redskins handling of their DC search with words like "embarrassment" and "a joke."
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Cody Ford is intriguing to me, he can play guard and also RT. The dude is a mauler. LG is clearly a mess. And heck Moses seems beat up every year and is a penalty machine -- decent player but I think a bit overrated. But if we are going to go sans a stud QB, lets go monster O line and have a mauler playing both guard positions to help the run game. Will Grier is rarely in the first round in any mock. I don't trust myself judging Big 12 Qbs playing in spread offenses. I was among others who fell for RG3. On the same token, I dig Will Grier, he's fun to watch -- dodges pressure well in the pocket, plays with moxie. Seems to have that "it" factor as being a leader type on the field But not sure what to make of QBs who shred atrocious defenses like Oklahoma. PFF loves the dude. Otherwise draft geeks seem mixed about him. Some don't see him more than a backup. I think the Senior Bowl coming up will be huge for him because as far as I can tell among the top prospects people are the most divided about him. Murray too but the divide on him seems to be all about his size.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    forgot about that but yeah Russell did mention days back that he heard they are pursuing someone connected to Tampa. though that one was easy you could probably just throw that one up in the air and likely end up right
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Some teams keep grabbing guys from the Pats, Ravens, Steelers, etc -- but we think outside the box and keep mining the goldmine that is the Tampa Bay Bucs. It's cool that Bruce has that Tampa pedigree. Goskins10 posted on another thread, he consistently had among the worst ranked STs for many years running now, last 2 years ranked 29th.
  8. For all you clamoring for that sexy off season move to distract us -- well, wait no more. I didn't even know that. I am full in to a Tank for Tua season, Bruce is continuing to do his magic on that front. Love the Tampa connection, too
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Let me start with, I pumped up Winovich months ago. So i like the dude. I watched some Michigan last year but haven't rewatched and just looked at a highlight reel yesterday -- guess I did it too early in the morning because just rewatched it slowly and yeah a lot of tackles from him came unblocked but on closer look that was on running backs on quick hand offs-RO. He did sack Thorson unblocked. But yeah apparently he was targeted a bunch as the unblocked dude in RO plays so I guess in a way its even flattering that they did that too him. He doesn't look like the most agile dude with a lot of bend but he does seem really quick off the ball, slippery -- so at least on this tape he looks faster than Kerrigan. I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd heck according to some mocks he might slip into the third. For a team that has a lot of boring personalities, this dude I think might instantly be the Guice for the defense as for fan focus -- selling jerseys. Good player IMO, too. Well rounded. My only issue with him is he's not a speed rusher. And its not that a speed rusher is the be all and end all but on this team they'd bring a different element. He still might be faster though than Kerrigan and Ryan Anderson. on another note, I was just looking at Daniel Jeremiah's first mock. It's funky compared to others. He pushes some of my man crushes in this draft relatively high except Polite isn't even in the first round, haven't seen that anywhere. Murray and Murphy late in the first round. Hockenson is top 10 -- has him going #8 Redskins take Marquise Brown at 15. Cody Ford #11 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001011490/article/daniel-jeremiah-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Hopefully that's just a rumor, ditto the Dalton. I can't see how they can do either deal anyway without allocating 40 million combined for the Qb position. If they are in love with Haskins I am OK with it too. Just hate the idea of trading up for the next tier of guys if that includes giving up a 2020 first rounder. I like Grier a lot, watched a bunch of WV. But I've read so many things about the dude from people who know more about college QBs than me who say he doesn't have "it". While some says he does. He's playing the senior bowl so I think it could be a game changer for him one way or another. Some seem to think Murray escapes the top 10, who knows. Hard for me to see though him escaping the Dolphins at 13. They are almost as desperate as the Redskins likely are at reigniting the fan base. I am not QB expert so reserve the right at being wrong but have been unimpressed with Finley. Thorson just watched one game, wasn't taken by him. Rypien is a cool story, watched only one game, looked all right. Draft geeks seem as mixed on him as they are on Grier. My issue with him is his frame reminds me of Colt where it looks likewise he can be split in half if he has a good hit on him.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Just watched this, interesting in retrospect this is back from 2011. Part of the narrative is part of the fans dislike of Dan is driven by how little he talks -- clearly that hasn't changed at all over the years and if anything its gotten worse. I've seen him say this on and off and he does it here too about how he knew nothing when he was 34 so he in effect deserves a pass for his younger years mistakes. He seems genuine in talking about being driven by winning a SB trophy and its going to have his father's name on it. The best I can say for all of that is it makes Dan an easy mark for Bruce's rap (Jay too) about how close this current team is to the promised land. But its hard for me to believe the dude is that naive.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    I got no issue with him buying a yacht but I got no problem that some fans want to have fun and ridicule it. I think its funny. If Robert Kraft or Mara or most owners were shown to buy a big yacht -- fans would likely leave it alone. And that's not because Patriot fans and Giant fans are just better people than Redskins fans. But its about Dan's growing reputation of being detached from his consumers and being a douche -- that makes him a target when he's showcased for something like this. I'd add some fans think Dan overcharges for items at the stadium and parking, etc. Some accuse him of being cheap as for the team's facilities compared to the rest of the NFL and according to guys like Laconfora he's known in NFL circles about cheap about paying personnel guys. Lately, he also seems cheap about paying coaches, too. Now he's asking for a state or municipality to help fund the stadium versus him privately funding it. And selfishly as a Redskins fan i hope he gets it. But the problem he faces is that stadium deals are questioned more these days than they have been in the past. And they are usually attacked from the angle of this representing corporate welfare for the super rich. And in Dan's defense I am sure he didn't intend for this to get out but it did and it doesn't help his image on this front. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/09/the-never-ending-stadium-boondoggle/403666/ As the 2015 NFL season kicks off and all the excitement that comes along with it, let us not forget that U.S. taxpayers are bearing a large part of the cost. In the past 15 years alone, over $12 billion of the public’s money has gone to privately owned stadiums—constituting essentially a massive transfer of wealth from everyday Americans to the super-rich owners and players involved in these billion-dollar sports franchises. The Dallas Cowboys ushered in the era of the billion-dollar stadium when their current facility opened in 2009. Taxpayers assumed the cost for over a quarter ($325 million) of its $1.2 billion dollar price tag. At the under-construction U.S. Bank Stadium, where the Minnesota Vikings will eventually play, public dollars account for roughly half the cost—an estimated $498 million—of the total $1.06 billion bill. Although Minneapolis initially required a public referendum to approve funding for the stadium, a “stadium authority” was able to override the referendum and authorize the budget without taxpayers’ consent. ...wide array of studies have shown that professional teams add virtually no income to local economies. In fact, some of them find that large subsidies actually have a negative effect, taking money out of the local economy. Aside from the jobs generated by actually building the stadium, most jobs inside the stadium—selling food and beer or working at team concessions—are low-paying temp jobs. It’s even worse for football stadiums, which are used for games at most a dozen times a year, and maybe a few more times for concerts or large events. Public economic development dollars can be put to much better use on things besides subsidizing sports teams and their wealthy owners. Ultimately, the burden of public subsides falls disproportionately on small cities that are the least able to bear the cost. For example, a $200 million public subsidy for a new stadium ends up costing a small city like Santa Clara roughly $1,650 per resident, compared to just $50 a person for L.A. And, of course, teams in bigger cities, with their bigger markets and more revenue, often do not need subsidies at all. Stop the madness It’s time put an end to runaway public subsidies to lucrative sports franchises. Is there any other industry or field of business where taxpayers are asked to hand over astronomical sums to billionaire owners and their millionaire employees?
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    the comments about the Yacht are amusing on twitter or at least amusing to me.
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    I just watched them on youtube. I saw a bunch where he just ran unimpeded right at the QB whether he was left unblocked for a RO play, didn't notice. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2019-nfl-mock-draft-history-shows-cost-acquiring-kyler-murray-within-redskins-reality Here’s the potential cost for moving up based on recent teams originally selecting 15 or lower. 2018 Cardinals trade 15, 79, 152 to Raiders for 10 (QB Josh Rosen) Bills trade 21, 158 and offensive tackle Cordy Glenn to Bengals for 12 (NT Vita Vea) and 187 2017 Texans trade 25 and a 2018 first-round selection to Browns for 12 (QB Deshaun Watson) 2016 Titans trade 15, 76 and a 2017 second round selection to Browns for 8 (OT Jack Conklin), 176 Based on the price Houston paid moving up 13 spots, the cost of jumping past the Giants and Jaguars assuming those teams stay put, for Haskins would require a massive outlay. Recall the bushel of high picks Washington sent St. Louis for the right to draft Robert Griffin III just to move from six to two. However, the cost for moving from 15 ahead of 13 is not steep relative to the QB need – and the picks at Washington’s disposal. The trades for Rosen and Conklin are most similar to each other and the Redskins’ situation. Tennessee paid a heavier price in 2016 going from 15 to eight than Arizona did with a move from 15 to 10 last season. What’s noteworthy from the Washington’s perspective is the ammunition available. The Redskins have their original selections except for the fourth-rounder sent to Green Bay for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and sixth used to snag Adonis Alexander in the supplemental draft. In addition, projections show compensatory picks in the third, fifth and sixth round coming their way based on three of their 2018 free agents – Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, Ryan Grant – signing elsewhere. While the Redskins have a lengthy list of needs, these extra selections allow for a tick more aggressiveness if interested. Washington could make the exact same Arizona trade from last season to jump Miami for Murray or another quarterback and still own seven selections including a first, second and third.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Hartman runs a scouting academy, not sure about his point, is 15 scouts on the low side? Got no idea.
  16. I started with having a mega man crush on Shanny but I lost my esteem for him when the defense for years was not up to snuff. That to me lived up to his Denver reputation for better and worse. But today, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I never had any doubt that the dude was an offensive genius. I still think he's the best offensive coach we've had since Gibbs 1. The sad thing for me is back then I took for granted that Dan for his faults could still attract high caliber HCs whether it was because of him willing to spend money or living off of the franchise's pedigree, etc. Those days are gone at least for now. Heck these days we can't even outdo some of the leagues worst teams in landing defensive coordinators. We've now become what the Cleveland Browns once were -- a widely accepted dysfunctional franchise where in all likelihood you have to reach for the 2nd tier guys if you want coaching or personnel talent. I never thought we'd reach that kind of low. But the idea that you can attract a Shanny type to this team now is laughable. All these people here for example who want Jay gone and dream of greener pastures -- IMO they aren't likely getting the hotter-sexy names they covet let alone if they did said coach wouldn't last in this jungle anyway. For example the idea that Nick Saban would leave his great coaching gig for this franchise is as laughable now as how it would have sounded 2 years ago for him leaving Alabama to coach the Browns. My only hope is listening to some people (JLC among others) explain why the Redskins are so unattractive -- Bruce is a very large part of it. Vinny for his faults was an amiable type and was willing to pay for top talent. Bruce is like scrooge -- he's cheap, will run you down and want to control things -- and that's even before delving into whether you want a politician versus a personnel guy running personnel and can a team succeed with that structure. When I read the except from Adam Schefter saying the Jets wanting Gregg Williams more badly than the Redskins -- my first thought was perhaps Bruce hinted at a cheap deal to Gregg's agent or Bruce's cheap reputation preceded him on that front. I said money could have been part of the narrative back then and just caught Sheehan on his recent podcast pondering the same thing. Some say this cheap streak is about Dan being cash poor. But reading about his multiple yachts, he can't be that cash poor. I do think Bruce has helped turned Dan into being cheap across the board. And that has cost them the key carrot to lure people. The nature of my business gives my opportunities to work for different clients with reputations that precede them. Am never willing to work for a high maintenance client who is cheap. But I have taken on multiple jobs for clients that I knew were difficult but paid well. And most coaches are mercenaries. Gibbs was a unicorn on that front. Guys like Parcells would go from team to team with pay being a big factor. And I think the old Dan, had at least one redeeming value which is that he'd splash the cash. He would pay well at least for some aspects for team building. If he needed to lure a new HC or coordinator and they wanted to reboot the assistant coaches, he'd likely go along even if he had to eat money. You want to go after top FAs -- he'd do that as well. Not today so much. I think the only way out of this hole is fire Bruce and replace him with someone respected around the league -- if its Eric Schaffer fine. I think they can sell at that point that the dysfunction came from Bruce and not from Dan. I doubt anyone would fully believe that (nor would I) but I can bank on Schaffer perhaps using his contacts to lure someone and say look he will have their back and work something into the contract to keep Dan away from meddling too much. My gut is firing Bruce would give Dan one last shot at the well and if he blows that then they are in old school Browns territory for perpetuity unless they get very lucky.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Chad Dukes is on this -- on Chris Russell's fake twitter account
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    HH : Coaches Edition of Speculation Publication ;Only Kotwica to Atlanta is official

    This could be and I see it even 50-50 or better that it happens. But as long as they don't trade their 2020 picks (and not sure if they oblige or not on that front) I can live with it. If they ride with Dalton or Flacco I still think they'd have a bad season. But yeah they could trade up in the draft. My point isn't that I can predict what they will do. But if they stick to the present course, I endorse it for reasons I expressed. I think if they lets say go 5-11 and fans go nuts again....I doubt he doubles down on Bruce. but obviously just guessing. I think Bruce-Jay convinced Dan that they had the weird misfortune of having great teams that were foiled two years in a row by injuries -- with the stadium deal giving Bruce some bonus legs to his situation. I think their luck runs out this time. Will see.
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    HH : Coaches Edition of Speculation Publication ;Only Kotwica to Atlanta is official

    In a weird way, I consider myself in one of the more optimistic guys here in the sense that I don't see this as us being doomed forever. Yes, Dan will always be a problem. But I do think breaking up the Batman and Robin team might make things better albeit far from ideal. I've heard enough to believe that Bruce at the moment is an even bigger problem than Dan as to attracting new good people to this FO and coaching staff because of his personality and power grabs. I do think Bruce's job security is mostly about the stadium and I presume it either happens or doesn't this year. If it doesn't and I were Dan, I'd hire someone else to work it. But for those who want Jay gone (me not among them but I am not hung up on it either way), I think it happens in 2020. I think Bruce is gone too. I think the team is finally set up in a way where they have a down year coupled with it being the perfect timing for it considering the loaded 2020 draft. So i am chilled about everything aside from them doing a win now move that mortgages 2020 draft capital. I don't really care what they do aside from that. One of the worst things for any sports team is to be stuck in a hard place between good and bad. I think and hope they temporarily take a step back and have enough talent to rebound fast in 2020. Or that's what am holding onto for now.
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    HH : Coaches Edition of Speculation Publication ;Only Kotwica to Atlanta is official

    I am not a Jay hater or Manusky hater for that matter. But I do think the status quo is all interlocked right now including Bruce. In the past, there were some people screaming that the problem with Dan's era is that he never rebuilds. And if they actually tanked, its our best shot of taking off especially if we land the top Qb or 2nd best in the draft. I've been somewhat in that camp but now its all I hang onto, so I am big time into this. I know some think its nuts that this team can go 4-12, etc. We got too much talent, etc. And I agreed the last 3 years where I typically thought the floor was mediocrity or slightly below but I can see a bad season in the offing now They went 1-6 with perhaps the same backup QBs who might lead the calvary this season. Yes the offense was ravaged by injuries but the passing game looked bad when healthy, too. One Vegas outfit just picked the Redskins as the 2nd worst team in football for next year. And while Vegas hasn't thought much of this team in recent years, they weren't ever that harsh from what I recall. So while I hate Bruce being here, I still see him as the perfect architect to perhaps lead us to the 4-12 promised land so I don't see it as the end of the world for the moment. More importantly, I disagree with those who think Bruce is here for life. I think he is on his last ditched effort. I've heard enough narratives like that from beat guys (some of the same ones who didn't think Bruce was going anywhere this year). Last off season, Bruce more or less said they didn't need to engage heavily in FA because heck look at all those guys they have coming off of IR -- its like having a bountiful FA crop without having to spend extra money. It's that exact attitude that's needed again IMO if 4-12 is the goal. Ditto his style (hyperbole to make a point) of why sign Landon Collins for 10 million a year in FA when we can get JJ Wilcox at 3 million a year AND Tom Compton at 2 million a year. Look Dan, we needed a safety and guard -- heck I got both at half the price Collins took! Yeah! That's winning the off season! I liked the Richardson signing in FA last year but in retrospect I was wrong. Yes, he did show flashes of what I liked in Seattle but in Seattle he was hardly ever healthy and that followed him here, the dude is razor thin and I don't think has the physique to withstand a full season. So yeah the cheaper signings or getting oft injured guys at a relatively good deal -- IMO doesn't work. The thing that always puts me on edge about a GM and coach who are on a potential one or done year is does that compel them to do a win now move that mortgages the future. The Alex Smith deal arguably was an example of that. Do they have something cooking like that now? i hope not. The problem that this team has with some fans IMO is four fold. A. The long sample size for Dan and Bruce doesn't give them any rope for "a what if or excuse driven" explanation for a mediocre or bad year. Some of the FO defenders like to say the fans reaction to a 7-9 season is out of proportion to the record. But IMO they are missing the forest for the trees. Many fans aren't looking at every season in a pure vacuum like that. B. Playing off of the above point. Both Bruce and Dan have a long sample size of coming off aloof, detached, arrogant and not likable. Then you add all the soap opera stuff that seems to come with the turf with the both of them -- then for the lack of a better word they both come off uncool to like. C. The no man's land record ends up being the worst of both worlds. You don't get to the playoffs. And the off season is boring because you don't have a high pick and hope. Let alone since they never go rebuild, they never come into an off season with hordes of cap space where they can have some fun. D. It's a boring team without star power. Heck even if lets say Alex and Richardson stayed healthy so what? Keim had a good joke about it when fans weren't showing up earlier in the season when the team had a good record -- come see Alex not turn the ball over. And by fans I am talking about more causal fans -- the type of people you need to fill the stands. I went to two games myself, I'll watch the Redskins no matter who is playing but I am not a casual fan. I think Bruce misses this point more than anything considering a cheating way to fix this is to sign a marquee FA but he typically doesn't roll that way. And to some B conflicts with C but i don't see it that way. If you go high end in FA even if its for just one guy -- you can spend the same amount as accruing your multiple cheapish FAs. But anyway none of Bruce's business as usual approach is going to bother me this year as long as they don't trade their 2020 picks. I actually want Bruce to operate like he normally does. If he does I do think a new everything is coming in 2020 -- and I think it will be much more attractive job if Bruce is gone and they have a top 5 pick and they'd also be closer to be off the books for Alex's contract. Right now you got little cap room, saddled with an injured QB's major cap hit, Bruce, and the 15th pick in the draft. Yuck. I think that will change in 2020 or so is my hope.
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    2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    I've talked about him a little during the season, 18.5 career sacks, 44 tackles for losses, good against the run. He's a character, too. Plays with a lot of fire. In mocks you typically see him in the 2nd or 3rd. Was looking forward to seeing him in the senior bowl but he's out. He doesn't seem to have the bend and explosion of the better pass rushers in the group. I've watched a bunch of Michigan games this year. But refreshed myself with Winovich right now and watched his sacks, hard to see a lot of moves and for a bunch of them he was unblocked. He's feisty and plays with a high motor. I think he will be a good player though. I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd or 3rd but dying for a true explosive speed rusher for a change playing RDE. From a guy who watched Brett Rypien in practice this week https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/18/tdn-mailbag-shrine-week-edition/ Brett Rypien has been exactly what I thought he was, solid but unspectacular. He should definitely make it in the NFL as a backup quarterback, but I don’t know that he’ll ever be a preferable starter at the position. He’s easily the best quarterback on the West team.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    It's funny in a sad way the way its framed here
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    The two "theys" were for emphasis along with the "themselves". Just one "they" isn't enough to describe the magnitude of Bruce and Dan. And "realizes" over realized just to see if anyone was still paying attention.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Redskins at the moment Vegas is thinking are the 2nd worst team in the NFL next season, I hope they are right. Look I'd take a playoff year any day of the week but if its between being 7-9 and 3-13, I'd take 3-13 by a mile -- the easiest way to get good the fastest is be really bad for a year or two. Those were the old days, they turned over a new leaf in 2018 -- remember the 6-3 start, heck I witnessed the first and last win of that run in person, I should feel special to witness greatness like that --since it sounds like its a legendary run for those who talk about last season in that building. And I am only being a little sarcastic -- judging by the beat guys covering the team, at Redskins Park they are practically obsessed with that 6-3 start as some sign of great things to come. The Giants terrible back to back seasons trumps the Redskins two 7-9's as for the big picture. Makes their off seasons more fun, they just keep accruing stars. They will likely leapfrog us in the standings as soon as next season. Envious. Our turn hopefully...