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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    You probably won't find a bigger fan here of both Harmon and McLaurin. I touted them both on the draft thread before we even took them. Having said that I am not counting on either for being a #1 type receiver especially in year 1. It's tough for receivers to make their mark right away. My gut is both might end up solid #2 receivers over time. I doubt either one develops into a #1 type. Having said that, having a solid #2 type receiver would be an improvement to what we have IMO. I think our veteran receivers are all really #3 types. As for the Redskins running backs, I agree we got good ones. Hopefully the O line can stay healthy enough though to block for them. The article though wasn't about giving a balanced view of the team. The article was about giving 10 reasons why the Redskins could stink this year. He's doing the same rap on every team in the NFC East.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Sure, he knocked Bruce even harder I recall last year. I just listened to him talk about the article on 106.7, and he didn't come off like he thought any of it was hyperbole on his end. In other words, he meant every word or so he came off to me. He joked that Redskins fans give him the least pushback among the NFC East fans and accept his criticism for the most part -- saying we are all good sports.
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    2020 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    I am torn on it. On one front I value LT more. But also the idea of finding a #1 receiver in the draft is like a pipe dream for this organization. When was the last hit in the draft as for a #1 receiver, Art Monk? So if this is indeed a historic draft for receivers with a rare chance to get a bonafide #1 type -- its very tempting. WASHINGTON REDSKINS - YES The Redskins don’t have any receiver who resembles an NFL WR1, while Alabama has three that could get there. While Washington has intriguing young options, they just don’t have the ceiling that the Crimson Tide receivers do.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    @HTTRDynasty posted this article on another thread. Eagles beat writer about why the Redskins will struggle thus year. Some of his points we've discussed here. https://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-washington-redskins-team-will-be-dumpster-fire-season/ ...So, while Haskins may eventually develop into a good quarterback in the NFL (we'll see), it's not happening this season, with Washington fielding perhaps the worst wide receiving corps in the league (we'll get to that in a minute), and an offensive line with some serious concerns. ...The realistic best case scenario that Washington fans have to hope for in 2019 is that Haskins' will to live isn't crushed, and that he makes positive strides toward becoming a good quarterback in 2020, when the team can maybe find a way to surround him with better players*? ...In terms of average per year, Williams is the ninth-highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. When healthy, he's a lot better than almost everyone ahead of him on that list. More importantly to Washington, they are absolutely screwed without him, as Ereck Flowers was reportedly getting first-team reps at LT in Williams' absence. It's bad enough that Flowers is even being projected to start at guard. Ask any Giants fan what happens to an offense with Flowers at tackle. Williams has extreme leverage. Washington is likely going to have to give Williams a "Sorry we didn't diagnose that thing on your head" extension, which should be difficult for them, seeing as there are currently only eight teams with less salary cap space. 3) They have nothing at receiver Washington's top three receivers are, um, Josh Doctson, Paul Richardson, and Trey Quinn? Yes? No? Well, whatever. Those guys have been in the league for a combined eight seasons, with 90 combined games played and 51 combined starts. To note, 77 (SEVENTY-SEVEN!!!) still-active players in the NFL in 2018 have/had more career receiving yards than the three of them combined. Should I list all 77, and make everyone scroll down this long...list? ...Anyway, Doctson has been a bust three years into his career, Richardson can't stay healthy, and while Trey Quinn showed a hint of promise as a rookie last season, he's a clear downgrade in the slot from Jamison Crowder, who left in free agency this offseason. 4) The only decent, sort of proven receiving game threat can't stay healthy That would be TE Jordan Reed. Let's recap his injury history... 5) And yet, despite all the above offensive badness, it's the highest-paid offense in the NFL in 2019! Lol Wait, that can't be, can it? Oh, it be. According to OverTheCap.com, Washington has a hair under $109 million dedicated to their cap in 2019 on the offensive side of the ball, just ahead of the Colts, Buccaneers, and Packers. Why? Well, they have a boatload of awful contracts: 6) This feels like an opportune time to mention that Bruce Allen is somehow still making decisions for this team
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    Wow, what a list, its a sad but must read all of it. The Eagles beat guy had to put in a lot of time and research for that article let alone doing multiple cartoons. It's another case in point about how most of us here are easier on Bruce than most national types who criticize him. Most of us critics think he's "meh'- so so. I don't think he has any shot of building a SB team ever unless he gets lucky with an elite QB. But there are worst run FOs, too. Their mediocrity IMO is perfectly fitting to the decision making. I do think he's upped his game from being bad on the aggregate to being so so. Most of his critics though don't agree with the mediocre narrative -- they tend to kill him. https://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-washington-redskins-team-will-be-dumpster-fire-season/ 6) This feels like an opportune time to mention that Bruce Allen is somehow still making decisions for this team As we noted last year, Allen was hired to be the Redskins' GM at the tail end of the 2009 season, and he has been the head personnel decision maker ever since, save for the short tenure of Scot McCloughan, who Allen helped oust after two season (2015-2016) with the team. In Allen's nine full seasons with the team, the Redskins' record is 59-84-1. After a 7-9 season in 2018, Washington's winning percentage under Allen improved to 0.413. Beyond the bad record, Allen has a bad reputation among former colleagues, agents, and other personnel people around the league. He also didn't even know the name of his own starting quarterback. There are a lot of general managers who shouldn't still be making high level decisions for their respective billion dollar businesses, and Allen is at the top of that list. 10) And as always, let me check to see if Daniel Snyder is still the owner. Yep, he is. And guess what! This year is special, because May 25 marked the 20th anniversary of Snyder buying the team. I won't go through a timeline of Snyder's awful reign -- Washington City Paper did a fine job of that. I'll just end this by noting that fans of the three other NFC East teams celebrate him: Here's to another 20 years.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Depends on what leg of it we are talking about as to his analysis. He on a bunch of the QBs did his initial take on the first games he watched, then he added as he watched more, he talked about it especially on appearances on other podcasts like Sheehan's, etc. I don't recall him killing Rosen on the first leg but he was definitely mixed where he killed him as part of a mixed narrative. And what he didn't like he really didn't like. But he was the same on that front on other QBs. I wrote it up at the time on the draft thread. Loved his footwork-intermediate accuracy. Didn't like his touch on short passes and he thought he had too many erratic moments in games. He softened on him over time. He talked about him some more I recall when the rumor was hot that he might come here in a trade and he actually liked the idea of getting him. That's why my summary of his take was mixed but more positive than negative. Cooley's take on some players changed the more he watched including Daniel Jones.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    My general take is I don't care who wins the QB job. All I want is what's best for Haskins in the long run. Hoffman's position isn't unusual. Most are saying a variation of Haskins looks more talented -- Keenum looks more ready. Cooley's comments which I've probably over the top defended here really was more about suggesting that Keenum isn't blowing anyone away than anything else. That's why some including JP Finlay are saying don't count out Colt in the Qb competion.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I am ok with playing Haskins at some point during the season. The main idea on that front is for him to get some experience that he can build on and learn from as he heads to season two. I think the tougher looking first part of the schedule though is a perfect window to sit him against some tough defenses -- Dallas, Chicago, Philly in particular. So the idea of starting him against Miami or SF, am cool with that. That's partly because I plan to go to both of those games right now. I guess the danger on playing the 2nd half of the season is the O line which arguably help collapse the last two seasons once the injuries sit in -- IMO has even less depth than those two seasons. The O line in the last two seasons in the home stretch was pretty bad. If I had to bet on it, I'd say better than 50-50 that it happens again. Having said that if Haskins kills it in training camp and is the best QB, I'd play him. So to me its all about context. I somewhat agree with Finlay's point below. I'll be at 3 of early days in camp so LOL I'll declare on this thread then if Haskins should be the starter. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-decision-dwayne-haskins-actually-isnt-complicated Eventually, Haskins will be the Redskins starting quarterback. That could happen Week 1 2019, or it could be a year away. Haskins wasn't particularly impressive during the team's minicamp, and veteran signal caller Case Keenum looked like the better option. Remember, though, real football is more than two months away. The mental aspects of NFL life that Haskins struggled with during the spring sessions, like calling plays and getting to the line of scrimmage in correct formations, are quite fixable. Haskins is smart and has talked about his commitment to learning the playbook. If that happens by the time Haskins gets to Richmond, then the quarterback competition will look much different than it did in Ashburn. And the 'Skins don't report to Richmond for another month. Here's the reality: Haskins should absolutely compete for the starting quarterback job. That's the minimum expectation for first-round picks. The important news: Haskins will compete for the starting job in Richmond. Jay Gruden has been clear about that. Now, if Haskins doesn't win the job, he can't start. Politics or expectations can't push him into the top spot, no matter what pressure might be applied. Football players improve, often dramatically, over the summer. Haskins has all the physical talent needed to take the QB1 spot. He just needs to learn the speed of the NFL, which is challenging, and the depth of the offensive system, which is daunting. It's entirely possible Haskins does not win the Redskins starting quarterback job. In fact, it's probable he doesn't, by Week 1 anyway. But the notion that he can't start because of a difficult early portion of the schedule is crazy. If Haskins is the best option to win games, Gruden is obligated to give his team the best chance to win a game, regardless of an opponent. I agree I criticized him too last year for the same thing. Shanny was exactly the same way. And Jay has plenty of company on this front and I get concerns for injury considering this team's recent history on it. But IMO you got to take that chance. The last two times they faced Philly on opening day they seemed a heck of a lot more ready than the Redskins were.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Joe Theismann's points on 980 He likes giving him time, preferably a full year to adjust where he doesn't play He doesn't want to Joey Harrington him so to speak -- get battered, shatter his confidence early on Talked up all the injuries they've had -- seems to be implying he's worried about the same happening again Schedule really tough early He likes is arm talent from what he saw, thinks he's more mobile than some think but worries about processing the system and the NFL quickly enough to succeed from the get go The position requires time and development He has concerns that there is a limited amount of reps in training camp to spread it around with multiple QBs Preseason football -- can you get enough reps to prepare with all the QBs on the roster (with the first rep team)?
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    For those interested, Joe Theismann is talking on 980 at 8 am. Some on the radio suspected, Joe's take on sitting Haskins initially is in part because he's watched all of mini-camp OTAs. But who knows -- maybe he will explain. For me I'd like Haskins to sit some and it has nothing to do with minicamp-OTAs. None of that bothers me. I think positive and negative performances can easily be overblown in those practices. If we judged things by OTAs than Samaje Perine would be be the next Emmitt Smith. Taylor Jacobs the next super star WR, etc. It just seems intuitive to me that a QB who is learning everything from scratch -- the playbook, protections, etc. Ditto actually calling an NFL offense for the first time from the huddle. Learning to take snaps from the center versus going pure shot gun, etc. Dealing with the greater speed of the NFL game, etc. Learning to play with new playmakers. That's a lot to put on someone's plate all at once. And you can't really slow step all of it. Even limited to some plays, it's still all new. The schedule starts off rough. IMO let him watch at least 5-6 games. Study and game plan with the starting QB and see how they handle things. I think it will help. I get the point about tailoring an offense, etc. But this isn't like 2012. Haskins has the frame and makings of being a traditional pocket passer. I gather they can go more shot gun and more spread than they typically do and go heavier mesh concepts. But you still got to learn protections. And from what some have said that takes the longest and is the most important thing for a young QB to learn. Defenses aren't going to limit their own concepts to go after young QBs and if anything they tend to get more exotic to attempt to confuse the heck out of them. So you can't really shorten the protection element of the playbook. I was watching Andrew Luck's film game review on field pass on NFL.com and he was going on and on about that even as a veteran the emphasis for his preparation is heavy on calling protections and that's what Reich likes to talk to him about subject wise more than anything else.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    A savant in that he understands the offense as opposed to he helped create it. As he likes to explain, McVay's system is very similar to Jay's. Main difference is the sequencing of it and what McVay does pre-snap to set it up and he prefers the tighter bunch formations more than Jay does. But as to the narrative we got here from some that Jay is some incompetent on the offensive side of the ball. I disagree. I think having mediocre passing weapons and a paper thin offensive line which has crumbled from injuries has much to do with why the offense struggles. As I posted elsewhere if you look at this offense frame by frame which I've done multiple times over the years -- guys get open in his offense and in a big way. His weakness IMO (which I also outlined in a long post last year) is how he sequences the plays. So hopefully O'Connell takes over that part. As Matt Bowen said (another dude who I like his film review when he does it which isn't often) the Redskins are seriously deficient in YAC because they lack explosive playmakers. When he watches other teams he sees playmakers take a hitch and go 80 yards from time to time, etc. But the Redskins don't do that. And his thought is it puts tremendous burden on an offense when you have to march down the field just about every time methodically without having for the most part any explosive playmakers. It's one of my concerns for Dwayne Haskins.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Yep he was talking up McVay before it was cool to do so. I've listened to my share of film reviews of prospects -- I've probably heard every major draft geek on the planet on multiple podcasts. Ditto the NFL film review types like Benoit, Cosell and Farrar. And for my taste I think Cooley is more detailed and interesting than all of them. My only criticism of Cooley in that regard is he doesn't dive into enough prospects. He typically does give or take 20-25 players and that's it. No one is always right. Ditto Cooley. But I'll say of the players he has assessed over the years -- his batting average is as good as I've seen. And the dude is a savant of the Redskins system. I had to kill some time waiting for a car repair months back and it ended up being 2 hours plus. I sat and just listened to Cooley's podcast run down of 1st-2nd downs-3rd downs. He did it all run plays, pass plays. Short yardage. Long yardage. Tendencies like how they mix the duo runs to the strong side and weak side. It killed those 2 hours fast. It was fascinating or at least it was to me. The amount of research time that must have taking was insane. But he said he loves it and has fun killing half a day doing film study. I get as a player he was a bit of a clown personality wise. But as a dude messing with player assessments and knowing this team's strengths and weaknesses -- I can't think of a single media personality type I take more seriously than him albeit I agree with the take as there is no such thing as anyone having the definitive word on any player. Cooley has said he doesn't want to put in all the nonstop hours to work in a FO. But if he did, i'd put him in a position above Bruce or Doug in a heartbeat.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    His position on Haskins and Lock are just about identical to yours. You'd also like that he isn't a big Grier guy though he met him and likes him -- he thinks Grier is Rex Grossman. He's mixed on Josh Rosen, likes him more than dislikes him -- similar to my take and that means he copied me since I did my take first he loves his footwork but has concerns about his decision making. I might be feeling more pro Cooley than usual because he was sort of like Ledyard was to me last year -- in that my takes overlapped his a lot. But yeah almost everything you say about Haskins, he's said similar things. He had massive man crushes on Sweat and Risner among other prospects I recall you digging. So yeah if you went back and listened to his draft film reviews this year, I'd think you'd agree with him on a lot. My point here to others though isn't so much that Cooley's opinion is the definitive one. But if you listened to his takes...he is very detailed and interesting at least to me. And comes off like he did a deep dive.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    He initially said trade up for Lock but then upon watching more he said he would take him at 15 but wouldn't trade up for him. I liked Lock too -- but to me he also comes off boom or bust for reasons I got into detail on the draft thread. But i am intrigued by the boom. There are other draft geeks who liked Lock a lot ala Chris Simms among others. You are right about the opinions on those three are so varied depending on the source. That was if anything the mantra of draft geeks claiming to talking to personnel guys -- which was the top 3-4 QBs are so different from team to team as to how they ranked them. The Giants according to some NY reports had Jones as their top QB want but Lock just a hair behind him. It was said enough publicly. Ditto that the Giants delved in deep to Haskins and decided he's not who they like. With some (not all) of their reporters flat out saying they don't like his ability to be mobile among other things. And I think Haskins understood that based on post draft interviews because he suggested that his agent told him he's not going to the NY Giants or something to that effect. But I love all of that. Personally I understand the variance on Lock and Haskins. I do think they both have a lot of talent but it needs to be honed in the right way among other things. As much as Cooley is being characterized as this Haskins critic, he isn't that much of a critic. He actually has touted Haskins' arm talent. And he ultimately said he'd take Haskins over Jones. His main beef with Haskins is he thinks he's a bit raw and will need time to develop. Jones i think at best will be a serviceable Qb in the mode of a Keenum type. Haskins was all over being a Giants fan. He talked about it. He tweeted about it. Dressed up plenty in Giants gear. He did dress in other gear too but it wasn't hard to miss it was mostly Giants. He communicated to Giants players on twitter about wanting to go there. He seemed very proud of being a Giants fan. So with all of that backdrop, the Giants dissed him in a big way. And I know some Giants fans are disappointed that Haskins didn't end up there. So I'd fly up to NY in a heartbeat to see the first Haskins-Jones match up. I love this Jones-Haskins backdrop. And i think it will be great fuel for Haskins and he will use as a motivator. The fact that multiple Giants reports said Haskins wasn't even their choice after Jones -- I bet adds some fuel to the revenge fire so to speak.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    There are some great posts on the draft thread. It's my favorite thread on the board by a mile. My point on Cooley in short was the dude isn't just some clown none of us should take seriously. I listened for example to his podcast run down of all the offense plays from last season and he separated them by down. I was transfixed by it. The amount of time and detail he put in it was amazing. And he even got into what patterns he thinks they need to break, etc. On the Qb's in this draft he also went into great detail. I recall reciting it on the draft thread. We weren't that fixated on Haskins then but all of the QB prospects. Cooley if anything is mostly taking homer views on players ironically. Just off the top of my head, he was sold that Ionnaidis would be a really good player after his rookie year even though he didn't really shine that much right away. He said watching Reiter in camp he felt that he's a bonafide O lineman and no way the Redskins would pull off keeping him on the practice squad. He was right. Cleveland claimed him. He pretty much called every FA bust in advance and touted every FA success correctly with the exception that he was higher on Zach Brown then arguably translated to his play. He was a big Brantley guy in the draft years back -- now we are hearing that Tomsula is likewise very high on him. Like anyone he's gotten some wrong like he wasn't high on Kendall Fuller and he might end up wrong on Geron Christian who he was high on. Just saying, Cooley's track record of getting things right based on who he likes and doesn't -- has been as on the money as any film type that I track. Bucky Brooks for example who I've watched for years, I've taken note that he often ends up wrong on draft prospects. I've touted Ledyard and other draft geeks who I like and tend to be right from my observation or better yet agree with my takes. But yeah in short, Cooley knows his way around X's and O's. He's still a close friend with Sean McVay. And he said he really studied and became a book worm about offenses when he got to know Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay. And watching him every week on the coaches show with Jay, it's clear that Cooley knows the Redskins offense really well -- ditto on broadcasts where he is calling out plays based on the formations he sees. And yeah I feel a little bad for the dude because I only notice the rips on him tend to come when he rains on the parade of a FA signing or a draft pick that someone on the board likes. I am not saying that the person who likes the prospect and Cooley doesn't is the one who is wrong. I am just saying that Cooley comes off if anything as a dude who wants to be positive about everyone so when he isn't -- he's just giving his legit opinion. And I am glad he does it. Because boy would he or any other film geek type be boring if they had to slant their film review to please the fan base. So yeah what got me going is the comment is who cares what Cooley thinks. My thought is yeah that person is entitled to think that so it's not a slam on that post. Anyone could decide they don't care and that's cool to express that of course. i am just explaining that some clearly do care. And it's not because Cooley's take is the be all and end all. But for starters the dude does actually work in Redskins Park so when he says he hears something I believe him. When I watched for example Redskins Nation filming minicamp -- you could see in some segments Cooley was actually there watching it. He actually knows the Redskins offense. And to me he's more than being just any random guy on the Internet with an opinion. And I know at least some are interested. Hence I share.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    If anyone of us watched 6 games or so of any player, we'd have a good sense in a layman's way of a players strengths and weaknesses. You'd think that's promoting Hogs Haven but I am accusing them of not watching a bunch of games of each player. They hack out a lot of material quickly. And I don't take notes as for what players I disagreed with them on but I recall commenting on the draft thread about whether those guys watch more than a game or two or watch just highlights because when they are off on some players to me they came off wildly off to the extent that it made me wonder how many games do they really watch of the players they do reports on. I am not saying this is the case always. But I like to read what people say after I've done my own takes and Hogs Haven was ironically the one blog that stood out to me as having takes that didn't make a lot of sense to me at least on some occasions that stuck out to me enough to remember it. Cooley isn't dissecting 50 million players like Hogs haven. He's diving deep and watching many games of each prospect he looks at or so he says. As an example, he said recently he's watched every Haskins game now twice. Some beat guys who have watched film with him have commented about how intense and thorough he is about it. So my contention is Cooley not only knows way more about football than name the typical fan blog (the guys posting there for the most part are people like us and aren't experts) but he puts in more time, too as to the players he researches. I get your point but the Hogs Haven guys aren't Cooley's students. I think anyone here could go toe to toe with Hogs Haven on analyzing any player. I like the site and i find it entertaining so am not trying to bash them. I am just saying all that site is doing is basically doing their own replication of what we do here but they just do it in an article form. I agree with that except the draft thread here IMO is WAY better. More detail. More work. It's not that I agree with everyone's take on it and am sure plenty don't agree with mine. But we all really go to town on selling our takes with lots of research, clips, etc. So even when I disagree people on that thread they still make me think and reevaluate and sometimes even change my mind. If you digest ALL the takes on Haskins, Cooley's view isn't some wacky outlier though. There are some very positive takes, positive, so so, bust in the mix of opinions. A dude who is drafted typically at #15 especially at Qb isn't normally some slam dunk can't miss prospect that everyone agrees on. I think I've done a decent job of laying out all the differing opinions on Haskins on this very thread. Reddick for example isn't the definitive word on Haskins -- he's just the most outspoken about him. If Haskins is who Reddick and Bucky Brooks think the dude is then we got the next Dan Marino. And I hope they end up right. But there are dissenters on Haskins too and its not just Cooley. And there was plenty of nuance in Cooley's take including loving the dude's arm talent. He didn't say Haskins was a bust but that he'd take time. And like I said in another post, I embrace the fact that Haskins isn't some slam dunk-consensus can't miss stud prospect that just about all agree on -- if he were, we'd have no shot at him at 15. The Haskins lottery ticket IMO is if anything due to a degree to their being some mixed opinions on his potential. Have you ever challenged one of Cooley's homer like views of a player because he's had plenty of them including on players who weren't universally touted? I recall you jumping in about Cooley in the past when it doesn't jive with a positive take. I didn't take notes and I don't recall the specific examples. For the two of us to debate Cooley in this type of way -- I believe this is a dance we've done before. The irony about Cooley from our side of things is this, his position on the FO is almost a perfect split between my more critical take (he shares similar criticisms) and your more positive vision of Bruce being a buffer with Dan. Cooley is certainly though on the aggregate a homer about players on this roster. He's typically selling them hard, the critical side of him isn't nearly as pronounced.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I agree with the thrust of this point. Ditto all the others here who say create an environment for Haskins to succeed including don't start him right away. But as for Jay, I feel like I am an apologist here for the dude and have been labeled that from time to time. But here's really the gist of my full take on him. He's I think border line a genius at play design. His receivers get open -- even the jags in his offense. I think he's poor at using analytics as to sequencing plays -- calling this play at this time of the game, etc. I think when McVay was here that was a stronger combination. Not because McVay was a better play caller but because he was better at the sequencing of plays. But he was running Jay's offense mostly. I am not a fan of really any head coach calling plays on game day. There are too many other things on their plate. So I am hoping O'Connell takes over that part. I do think (and have heard several NFL pundit types comment on this) Jay is a really good teacher of QBs. That was part of the reason why he was hired here in the first place. And yes that didn't work with one of their 2012 draft picks but it arguably brought the best out of the other 2012 drafted QB. And I think Jay will end up a strong asset for Haskins as opposed to an albatross as some here think. I think Jay's personnel skills are a bit underrated. We hear a lot about how Kyle Smith is this college scouting genius but the only other person we hear that about in that FO is about Jay. I also think his personality is well tailored to this organization where he can shrug off crap and as JP Finlay likes to say navigate the craziness of the FO is an underrated component of what he brings. There are HCs I like in theory better than Jay like for example Bruce Arians. But knowing a bit about Bruce Arians I doubt he'd last a season here. He's not the type who has any patience for office politics among other things. So yeah as a whole I think Jay brings more pluses than minuses. I also like that the dude is likable which is something that isn't always easy to come by with this organization. But unless Bruce is ousted along with Jay after this season, I think the odds that we hire a better HC than Jay are pretty low. Not because better coaches don't exist. But because those coaches either won't want to coach here, Bruce will prefer a lackey type, or if they hire a strong personality type they won't make it over the long run. I'd be fine if Jay is collateral damage if that moves Bruce out of the FO. But if Jay leaves and Bruce stays -- I don't see the Lincoln Riley types headed here. I think it will be more likely the 3rd tier types in the mode of Jim Fassel, Jim Zorn, Spags -- and whichever third tier dude is cozy with Bruce like Raheem Morris or whomever. That's my long winded of saying we are likely going to depend on Kevin O'Connell. I think he's the key guy to get the max out of Jay's offense by hopefully running the sequencing of it. And if by chance Jay leaves and Bruce stays then I think our best hope might be O'Connell. He's in house so it wouldn't require a major shift for Haskins. And I doubt they'd be able to get anyone better than O'Connell in the open market.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Interesting article about both Mariotta and Winston and their struggles to play like a franchise QB. Here's part of the Mariotta drill. https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/24/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-2019-season-contract-year?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=sinow&xid=socialflow_twitter_si Ken Whisenhunt was whacked as head coach halfway through Mariota’s rookie year, and GM Ruston Webster was fired two months after that. Mike Mularkey was hired to succeed Whisenhunt, and Terry Robiskie came in as offensive coordinator—and both were fired two years later. Last year Mike Vrabel arrived as coach, and he hired Matt LaFleur to run his offense. In January, LaFleur left for Green Bay to coach the Packers. That’s a lot of turnover for any offensive player to endure, but it can hit a young quarterback particularly hard. Which is why new Titans OC Arthur Smith, who was there through all of it (and has been with the team since 2011), made the decision to stick with LaFleur’s system and terminology when Vrabel promoted him in January. We don’t want these guys to start over, because I’ve been in a ton of systems now where it didn’t matter to me what we called a 3-by-1 formation, the players already knew it,” Smith said. “Same thing with line calls, what you’re calling protections, all that terminology. And stuff has naturally evolved in the spring as we’ve put things in. These guys didn’t come in here and get a completely new system.” Smith knows, because working with the tight ends, he’s lived it—in both the run game and and passing game. Going from Dowell Loggains’s offense in 2013 to Whisenhunt’s in ’14, for Smith, was “a complete overhaul.” Going from Whisenhunt to Mularkey as interim coach, “it was kind of mushed together,” and then “the playbook changed” when Mularkey got the job full-time. Going from Mularkey to LaFleur marked another plug-pulling. And if it was tough on the coaches, you can imagine how that could affect a player, and especially a quarterback. “It’s proven over time, when there’s a consistent player/coach relationship, it definitely helps that position,” Smith said. “And it happens in a lot of sports. Look at San Antonio with [Gregg] Popovich and [Tim] Duncan. Unfortunately, a lot of quarterbacks have had to deal with that. It’s not for me to say it’s stunted his growth, I don’t want to use that as a term for him. But I think in any sport, when you’re talking about positions like that, you’d like to have some consistency.” That manifested itself in the spring, with the group able to hit the ground running, and Mariota getting to the point where he can now teach the offense back to his teammates, and worry about the defense, rather than the offense, when he’s breaking the huddle. Which, of course, is where you want a quarterback to be.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    7. The under-the-radar hire from last week that you should pay some attention to: The Panthers tabbed 27-year-old Taylor Rajack as their new director of analytics, having poached him from Philly’s robust analytics department. The Eagles have asserted themselves as an NFL leader in that area over the last few years, and it’s helped them construct one of the league’s deepest roster. And while the Panthers have some catching up to do, they’ve had their toes in the water on analytics for a while. Coach Ron Rivera has integrated information from the team’s in-house analytics staff (fourth down is one area where you’ve seen it), and the team has been represented at the Sloan Conference in Boston annually, going back to when Dave Gettleman was GM. That said, new owner David Tepper has very clearly mandated a deeper investment in analytics, which makes sense given his background in finance, and bringing Rajack in is pretty clearly a move to start to shape the organization in the boss’ vision. 2. Redskins president Bruce Allen called reports that Alex Smith would miss the 2019 season and that his career could be in jeopardy “nonsense” back in late January. Now we’ve heard from Smith himself, and he’s pretty much confirmed what we were all hearing back then, even after Allen disputed what was out there. Talking to FOX DC 5’s Angie Goff, Smith said, “Learning to run again, that’s a big one. I’m already throwing. Throwing isn’t a problem, but dropping, moving around, change of direction. … The steps I’m at now are lifestyle steps. I’m still working on playing basketball with my kids and running around after my daughter. Those are things I have to conquer anyway until I get to the point where I’m walking on the field. I’m looking forward to it. I’m excited about that challenge. The stronger I get every week, the more I do, the more hopeful I am that that’s a real possibility." So by referring to his ability to play football again as a “possibility” that he’s “hopeful” will eventually be there for him, Smith is acknowledging what we’ve known. So the Redskins move forward with Case Keenum and Dwayne Haskins. One bit of decent news: There’s a chance Colt McCoy will be ready for the start of training camp—I’m told it’s going to be close. McCoy has undergone three surgeries in the aftermath of a broken leg suffered last December. https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/24/jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-2019-season-contract-year?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=sinow&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    If its hoghaven that's the contrast IMO its Cooley who is more qualified by a mile. This is the first draft where I really went to town on watching multiple games of college prospects and I recall thinking at times on some prospects are they (hogshaven) watching the same games? Digging further Hoghaven seems to use a rotating group of people to do the analysis most of whom are people like us. I like the guy Jacob Camenker better on Riggo Rag and he admitted on twitter that's he's just learning how to do film review and is improving at it. But he seems to put in good time to watching players. I think more than anything is how many games have they actually watched. With Cooley this year I can see what he was seeing. I made some analysis on players which I put on the draft thread before Cooley got to his and there was a lot of overlap. I enjoy analyzing football a lot but I don't pretend to be an expert or even close to being one. Having said that, I can probably put up the stuff that Hogs Haven does and so could anyone here. Cooley to me is in another orbit. Cooley can actually call Jay's offense on game day before it goes down and run through that scheme like a Rain Man level savant. He played the game. He's talked for hours on end football with Sean McVay, Kyle among others. I personally don't think ANYBODY is the be all and end all about any player. Even the best scouts get things majorly wrong. So naturally Cooley will be wrong and isn't perfect. But he's opinion IMO especially about the Redskins is worth more than assessments on fan blogs like Hogs Haven. And while I agree with most of @ConnSKINS26 points about Cooley. I respectfully disagree with one part of his point. The Cooley GM thing from what I recall was about the Redskins FO set up -- as opposed to GM in a vacuum. Sadly, the idea of hiring the best GM in a vacuum doesn't seem to be how Dan rolls so I think the more realistic way to view this FO situation is to consider real life Dan typical context. And from that perspective, I personally would put Cooley in charge of personnel over Bruce or Doug in a heartbeat. I don't think that makes me or anyone else a fool. Now, if the choice is we can hire the best personnel guys in the country -- like how most teams operate -- and put them in charge than Cooley wouldn't even be a passing thought for me. But I doubt that's how Dan would roll. Actually ironically it was Cooley among others who have said knowing Dan the top personnel guy always has to have a cozy-comfortable relationship with him. I've noticed most do like Cooley. Yeah I don't recall ever seeing pushback with Cooley when he touts a player. Cooley likes himself Mike Flanagan as an example -- but Cooley gets trashed for it with a who cares what Cooley thinks. Yeah i don't recall that happening. But if Cooley doesn't love a Redskin FO or FA move he almost always is greeted with some scorn. Granted not from a lot of people but a person or two at least. And I am not blaming them for doing it -- like I said i can relate to the feeling. I can recall it well because I've made posts like this almost every year under the same context. And the main reason why I defend him is I like listening to Cooley's takes (not that I agree with all of them) and don't want him to feel boxed in to just say nice things. I do genuinely like watching Redskins Nation and I think there is a place for homerism but not in film review. But I'd tune out Cooley or Farrar or Benoit or any self-proclaimed film junkie who do analysis if they feel pressured to have a specific slant. Because if they did that their takes would be worthless. And Cooley has annoyed me when I wanted to go full bloom man crush on players. I didn't like him trying to spoil the fun early on for me on Doctson. In 2014, i enjoyed all the gushing from beat guys about how RG3 was killing it in camp and I can even recall where I was when Cooley was going on about hey I was just in camp and he had no idea what the heck these beat guys were seeing because it was same old same old for him. Cooley can be a bit of a killjoy if you love a player especially because he is mostly indeed a homer and doesn't kill too many guys so when he does it -- its especially annoying. But again, he's been right a lot. Among this draft class, he's man crushing more than most on Sweat, Martin, Love, Harmon. As for Haskins, he didn't love him when he did film review. He's not the only Haskins critic. He didn't think he was a disaster either. He thought he had talent but was a project. In his defense, he didn't know that the Redskins would draft him. Haskins was just one of from I recall 8 QB prospects he studied.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I can see people not loving Cooley’s takes but he doesn’t just throw crap against the wall. he does go into massive detail typically when he does film study. I recall reciting much of what he said on the draft thread about all the QBs he studied in the draft not just Haskins. I wouldn’t call them hot takes myself but instead it was him offering a detailed opinion after watching 6 games or so of each player. i feel a bit bad for the dude because I rarely see him challenged when he takes a homer like positive take on a player, which is what he typically does. You get a lot more positive takes then negative takes from Cooley, he has many man crushes on draft picks and FA signings. I see Cooley challenged typically when he doesn’t love a pick or FA signing. And for my taste I am glad Cooley is willing to take some heat from fans by on occasion not going 100 percent with a homer view about everyone. I like Larry Michael and Redskins Nation but I don’t want Cooley to run his opinions the same way. I am interested in Cooley’s honest opinion. And he has been right a lot so I take his opinion seriously albeit I don’t always agree with it. And I am not saying you or anyone else is looking for him to be more Redskins Nation like. I am just saying I noticed he is willing to take grief from Redskins fans by being willing to go against the grain from time to time. And I get his opinion isn’t the be all and end all. But I think there is a reason plenty of Redskins fans quote Cooley on Twitter, etc and that’s because the dude while is far from perfect does talk to people at Redskins Park and is no dummy when it comes to film review. And while I’ve disagreed pro and con with him about players, I know the dude knows football and he knows the Redskins scheme. He doesn’t diagram plays with Jay every week on the coaches shows and on Redskins.com for no reason.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I notice over the years Cooley's take isn't greeted warmly sometimes on the board if it isn't positive. But the dude has ended up right a lot. Not every time but most of the time. I know I was at odds with him at the time when he weighed in at different times about RG3 and Doctson. In retrospect, he was right but it annoyed the heck out of me at the time. In his defense in this case, he's not weighing in with his opinion on either Haskins or Keenum, he's just saying what he's hearing from people he knows at Redskins Park. And what he's saying isn't ground breaking one way or another. It's mild stuff that people can take or leave. In your case, you want to leave it -- that's cool, to each their own. I only included it because I recall from other conversations on other subjects some are interested in what he says.
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    The Bruce Allen/GM Thread

    The irony is in the scheme of things, most of the critics here of Bruce (me included) are really much kinder than the typical critic of his. We are much more annoying to the straggler Bruce defenders because we will shoot down a defense of him if we disagree but otherwise we are relatively kind to the dude compared to typical critics. Most of us say the dude is mediocre at his job. He is not an F student. But a C. He has some successes among his failures. The few people who defend him lionize his successes in a bigger way then they deserve and act like they never got acknowledged and harp on it like it's the be all and end all. It's like my kid comes back with a C on his report card and he goes to me yeah I got a 50 on that quiz in that mix but did you see my 86 on the other quiz -- lets just talk about that. But I am not interested in the highs among the lows. When you are mediocre at your job it rarely happens in a straight line. It's not like you get a C on every exam. You have some A's some B's some C's some D's and some F's. It's about the big picture and as a whole what type of job are they doing. What makes it difficult with Bruce and Dan is that they don't just come home with a C on the report card but their student behavior grades aren't hot. It's not hey they are C students but they are so humble and wonderful. The C report card comes with some baggage. So it's tough to really celebrate it or judge them on a positive curve as a few people would like. And I think we make it super easy by just saying win baby and we'd shut up. It's not about how many excuses we got for being a C student. It's how about showing you can do better than that consistently. 10 years is a long sample size for Bruce and 20 years is an insanely long sample size for Dan. They don't deserve an ounce of more patience IMO. The reason why i am saying we are kinder to Bruce is most who others speak on the subject aren't saying he's so so -- but saying he's the worst. They give him an F whether its competence, behavior, you name it. Tampa reporters including one who deemed him the Prince of Darkness Draft geeks some of whom have suggested he's the worst GM in the business He's mocked by the analytics guys like Sharp and Football outsiders as a buffoon Multiple national reporters who have done rankings of GMs top to bottom -- Bruce just about always dead last Some within the Redskins FO who leak stuff to some beat-radio guys clearly don't love him A whole bunch of agents who were surveyed picked him dead last as for being trustworthy and close to dead last as for being prepared The reporters who cover other teams in the NFC East goof on him including an Eagles reporter who said more or less he's the best thing going for all the OTHER teams in the NFC East A vocal ex-colleague from the Raiders who goofs on him whenever he can including suggesting it's laughable that he is running a personnel department JLC said from what he heard the Redskins if they tried to hire a top personnel type to that FO would likely struggle to do in part because the perception around the league about Bruce isn't kind You can google things and find blogs from Tampa fans wondering if Bruce is the worst GM in the league from the time he was there According to Chris Russell even Jon Gruden once liked Bruce but now is disillusioned about him. Russell said the rumor that the Raiders were interested in him years back was false was likely put out by Bruce himself to try to show he's in demand. I can go on and on an on. And yeah maybe some of these people are off and the narratives might be off here and there. But all of it? At the very least, we can all agree the perception has been formed nationally in the corners that speak about the subject that Bruce is either the weakest GM in the league or one of the weakest. So the people here who say he's so so are a heck of a lot kinder than the average critic. Yeah mediocrity its marked by both peaks and valleys and we consider ALL of it. It's not that we don't see the peaks among the valleys. But it's odd to obsess about just the peaks. As Bill Parcell's likes to say you can't hide what you are -- you are your record. And as for Jay. Multiple beat reporters at different times have suggested that Jay hasn't always been happy with FA and wasn't happy among other things about losing D. Jax and Crowder. So I don't see any logic in blaming Jay for the weak spot with this FO (according to some including Cooley) which is pro personnel since that's apparently the part of the operation that he isn't always satisfied with. Conversely, we frequently hear that Jay and Kyle get along swimmingly. College personnel and pro personnel are two different departments.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I was listening to Cooley on 980. For what it's worth he said: he gathers they like Haskins' intangibles (i presume it was mentioned to him) as to how he interacts with teammates. He said he knows the personalities and style well of the multiple people he talks to in the building and they'd be the type to gush to him if there were things to gush about. And to that point, he can tell they think neither Keenum or Haskins have been quick to pick up the offense. I'd have to listen to it again but I took it as he seemed to be implying not to count out Colt. He explained what he meant by surprising which is that if either Haskins or Keenum were a quick study on the offense he'd hear the gushing of wow this dude is more than expected but he hears none of that when he brings either one up. With Haskins I can understand since he's a rookie but Keenum, too? I like Colt as a dude but I don't have much confidence in him as a starter. Not that a have a ton in Keenum either. I have some confidence in Cooley's take on what he hears and sees at the QB position in part because I recall all the gushing from beat guys about RG3 in the 2014 camp about how much he's grown and looks on fire, etc -- Cooley was the one dude who put cold water on that saying he doesn't know what all those people are talking about, he watched 3 days of camp he said and it was same old same old and he made no progress.