The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randal 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariota and Fromm battle for QB2

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

I don't think they finished the video lol...but oh well.

 

 

 

[mhd24]

Apparently Dallas was deciding between Bergeron & Smith for their 1st rounder.  Shows they had him rated higher than Harrison for their scheme.  Goes to show you that beauty was in the eye of the beholder in this draft.

[HigSkin]

FWIW -

 

Mike Tirico was on The Junkies this morning and said they did a mid-season game last year where he heard the coaches were really high on Howell.  He said you tend to ignore 1 guy but he heard it from another than another, he isn't surprised Howell is starting.  Cited lack of elite QB's in NFC.  Said Commanders followed the Pat Mahomes plan where start him the last game of the season then announced him as next season starter.

 

I find that interesting because there was a lot of chatter about this revelation not happening until the last game.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by HigSkin

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[Cool Hwhip]

24 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

Horse**** rankings, but will say if Howell does not outperform Ridder, Mayfield, or Mac ****ing Jones, he needs to hang it up and choose a different career.

[MartinC]

It’s where Sam Howell is at the end of the season that matters. Someone hang those ratings in his locker - not that he needs any more motivation. 

[samy316]

1 hour ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

What’s the argument here?  He’s a 5th Round QB, with 1 start to his name, and 19 pass attempts.  MAYBE he should be above Desmond Ridder, but he played more games than Howell, so there’s more tape on him than Howell as an NFL starter.  This is an accurate rating, unless Howell over performs next year.  It’s not a disrespectful rating, it’s an “we don’t know anything about him, and he’s a developmental QB with 1 NFL start” rating.

 

Every QB ranking or team rating isn’t a slight or disrespect.  It’s just an honest review of a bottom tier NFL team.

Edited May 6, 2023 by samy316

[Bifflog]

1 hour ago, samy316 said:

What’s the argument here?  He’s a 5th Round QB, with 1 start to his name, and 19 pass attempts.  MAYBE he should be above Desmond Ridder, but he played more games than Howell, so there’s more tape on him than Howell as an NFL starter.  This is an accurate rating, unless Howell over performs next year.  It’s not a disrespectful rating, it’s an “we don’t know anything about him, and he’s a developmental QB with 1 NFL start” rating.

 

Every QB ranking or team rating isn’t a slight or disrespect.  It’s just an honest review of a bottom tier NFL team.

 

I've heard automatic doors don't even open for 5th round quarterbacks, they're sub-human!

[FootballZombie]

1 hour ago, samy316 said:

What’s the argument here?

 

There isnt.

Howell has the potential to be a lot of things, but until he becomes those things all he is... is potential.

 

I'd have severe difficulty saying Howell is a better QB than any starting caliber QB in the NFL. If you want to talk about ceilings or something along those lines, its a different discussion, but if your just talking pure power ranking who's the best? Yeah, Sam is gonna be around rock bottom. Maybe not absolute bottom, but you get the idea. That is not a knock on Sam tho, its where someone who has yet to really do anything in the league should be.

 

I don't agree with this list putting some of the rookies up to the low 20s for the same reasoning as well. Young, Stroud and Richy have not done anything. For all we know, and the odds bear this out, some of those guys are gonna bust hard. 

 

Whenever Sam gets his chance at meaningful playtime he will find his spot on this list, but nobody who has yet to log some PT be anywhere but bottom rung.

Edited May 6, 2023 by FootballZombie

[skinzplay]

From Keim today:

 

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-commanders/post/_/id/42915

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by skinzplay

[SkinsGuy]

13 hours ago, samy316 said:

What’s the argument here?  He’s a 5th Round QB, with 1 start to his name, and 19 pass attempts.  MAYBE he should be above Desmond Ridder, but he played more games than Howell, so there’s more tape on him than Howell as an NFL starter.  This is an accurate rating, unless Howell over performs next year.  It’s not a disrespectful rating, it’s an “we don’t know anything about him, and he’s a developmental QB with 1 NFL start” rating.

 

Every QB ranking or team rating isn’t a slight or disrespect.  It’s just an honest review of a bottom tier NFL team.

 

 

By that reasoning though, Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud should be 31 and 32, because they've done nothing in the NFL for now. Certainly less than Howell.

 

Yet they have Young almost in the top 20. 🤔

[KDawg]

12 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

There isnt.

Howell has the potential to be a lot of things, but until he becomes those things all he is... is potential.

 

I'd have severe difficulty saying Howell is a better QB than any starting caliber QB in the NFL. If you want to talk about ceilings or something along those lines, its a different discussion, but if your just talking pure power ranking who's the best? Yeah, Sam is gonna be around rock bottom. Maybe not absolute bottom, but you get the idea. That is not a knock on Sam tho, its where someone who has yet to really do anything in the league should be.

 

I don't agree with this list putting some of the rookies up to the low 20s for the same reasoning as well. Young, Stroud and Richy have not done anything. For all we know, and the odds bear this out, some of those guys are gonna bust hard. 

 

Whenever Sam gets his chance at meaningful playtime he will find his spot on this list, but nobody who has yet to log some PT be anywhere but bottom rung.

These lists are almost better off leaving inexperienced QBs totally off the list. Kind of silly to guess where they slot in and not even follow the rules you used for the rest of the list.

[Conn]

Draft is over. Sale is all but final. Time to start the offseason hype train…and that starts and ends with QB! 

[samy316]

6 hours ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

 

By that reasoning though, Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud should be 31 and 32, because they've done nothing in the NFL for now. Certainly less than Howell.

 

Yet they have Young almost in the top 20. 🤔

Yes, Young Stroud & Richardson shouldn’t even be ranked, since they have yet to play a game.  The list should only include QB’s who have played at least 1 NFL game.  Howell barely qualifies, with his 1 start.  It should be a list of 1-29, with Howell coming in at 29.

Edited May 6, 2023 by samy316

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Sam Howell is gonna make mistakes. But he’s gonna make enough “wow” deep throws that everyone will love him through the struggles. 

[Renegade7]

Jus saw a draft review and we got called out for not making sure we picked up a development QB.

 

Fools, we already have one, and we're planning to start him this season.

 

Duh.

 

 

[Dark Acre]

14 hours ago, SkinsGuy said:

By that reasoning though, Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud should be 31 and 32, because they've done nothing in the NFL for now. Certainly less than Howell.

They haven't signed contracts so they shouldn't even be ranked.

[HigSkin]

 

[Koolblue13]

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/is-sam-howell-lions-qb-of-future

 

etroit has been down this road four times since 1986. Will it go down this same road again in next year's draft?

With starting QB Jared Goff looking like anything but a lock for the future, the answer to that question is looking more and more like yes.

It begs the question: Who would the Lions select at No. 1 overall? 

 

One option in the eyes of mainstream NFL media is North Carolina QB Sam Howell.

Howell is a three-year starter for the Tar Heels. In 2021, he's completed 191-of-301 passes for 2,704 yards, 22 touchdowns and eight interceptions.

Drafting a QB is risky business. 

 

Detroit can kiss the next five seasons goodbye, if it selects Howell within the first four rounds of the 2022 NFL Draft. 

[Koolblue13]

[Voice_of_Reason]

I think the national media is still mad we didn’t try and sign Lamar Jackson to a $300m fully guaranteed offer sheet so they could question our sanity of signing Lamar to a $300m fully guaranteed offer sheet. 
 

Hence they are taking it out on Howell. 

[Skinsinparadise]

https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-commanders/post/_/id/42915/why-washington-is-all-in-on-sam-howell-as-its-quarterback

 

According to sources with knowledge of the Commanders' draft process, Washington’s scouts gave him a grade that equated to a second-round pick. Some of them gave him a third-round equivalent but others had him in the late first. One source said leading into the draft that, had they not traded for Wentz, they would have targeted Howell on the second day. When he was still available in the fifth round, the Commanders pounced.

In scouting receiver Dyami Brown before the 2021 draft, and attending his pro day at North Carolina where Howell was throwing passes to him, they got to see Howell up close.

 

“It was a very impressive day,” Mayhew said. “You would've thought he was one of the guys coming out. And there's a quiet confidence that he has. The guys trust him, they respect him, he works his butt off. He's very smart. Like I said, he can make every throw that there is and the guy's very, very talented. He's going to be a good player, I believe.”

 

The Commanders were also well aware of what the Tar Heel coaches thought of Howell. They considered Howell obsessed with the game, saying he’d study fronts and protections on Sunday mornings -- the day after a game -- which allowed the coaches to have more advanced conversations with him when they met.

“The game comes naturally to him,” said former UNC offensive coordinator Phil Longo, now at Wisconsin.

 

After the draft, Longo compared Howell to ex-New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees. In terms of size at 6-foot-1, Howell is one inch taller and has pocket presence and ability to make quick throws even as defenders swarm him.

“I’m not suggesting he’ll be the next Drew Brees,” Longo said, “but skillset he has the same strengths.”

 

I've come a long way'

During training camp, compared to the other quarterbacks on the roster -- Wentz and backup Taylor Heinicke -- Howell was clearly behind. Numerous sources with the team said at the time he needed to fix his fundamentals. Howell himself said he needed to focus on his footwork and timing up his feet with the route concepts -- something he didn’t do as much at North Carolina.

 

“We saw that because of his quick-twitch ability to get the ball out, there were some things he gets lazy with,” Rivera said.

In a preseason game against Baltimore, Rivera pointed to a play in which Howell failed to take a quick shuffle out of shotgun that would have given him a five-step drop. Instead, he stayed close to where he took the snap and was sacked on the play. But, Rivera said, had Howell used proper footwork, he would have had more depth and better timing on the route.

“That was what I was worried about,” Rivera said about the impact of sloppy footwork.

 

“In college we took the same drop for most of our pass plays,” Howell said in December. “Here, every play you’ve got to know the exact drop and know how many hitches the ball has to come out in each progression.”

But Howell and the coaches focused on his footwork from the time he arrived. By season’s end it was better. And by season’s end, Howell was in a good spot. Even if he has to learn a new system under new offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, Howell likes where he’s at in his development. His footwork was not an issue in the season finale win against Dallas.

“I’ve come a long way,” he said.

[Skinsinparadise]

On 5/3/2023 at 9:24 AM, HigSkin said:

FWIW -

 

Mike Tirico was on The Junkies this morning and said they did a mid-season game last year where he heard the coaches were really high on Howell.  He said you tend to ignore 1 guy but he heard it from another than another, he isn't surprised Howell is starting.  Cited lack of elite QB's in NFC.  Said Commanders followed the Pat Mahomes plan where start him the last game of the season then announced him as next season starter.

 

I find that interesting because there was a lot of chatter about this revelation not happening until the last game.

 

 

 

Sheehan among others loves to use these 3 arguments against this team's belief in Howell.

 

A.  If they really believed in him that much, they'd have started him earlier in the season.

 

B.  The idea that they considered starting Heinicke and then going to Howell later in the Dallas game is damning

 

C.  If they liked him so much why didn't they take him before the 5th round.

 

While I love Sheehans show.  He can be quite the stubborn mule when fixated on a point.  And I am confused why he finds these points so befuddiling?  And he's not the only one but he's the most persistent one among the local media.

 

A. They didn't start him earlier in the season because they didn't think he was ready.    They wanted to clean up his footwork.  it's been said by Rivera multiple times.  Don't get why this is so mysterious?  As he had more time to clean his footwork, they felt better about him.  Simple as that. 

 

B.  The idea of Heinicke starting was also explained by Rivera.  The idea is for Howell to watch Dallas' coverages for a quarter so he'd have an advantage coming in.  Rivera caring about building Howell's confidence is a good thing not a bad thing.  

 

C. They thought they had the issue solved with Wentz. Hence they weren't shopping for a QB in that draft.  When Howell dropped that far in the draft, the value was too enticing to blow off.  Sheehan should get this, its the same logic that he embraced from Shanny when he took Kirk.  Shanny didn't take Kirk because he was shopping for a backup in that same draft but when Kirk who he rated higher than a 4th rounder was starring at him in the draft at a ridiculous value, he couldn't resist.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Warhead36]

You just can't take Sheehan all that seriously. He's a fan like all of us. He has no real NFL knowledge or experience. He has hills he chooses to die on like anyone else. He loves to crap on people who supported Wentz but forgets to mention how much of a Darnold supporter he was.

[Cool Hwhip]

Its gotten a bit tedious with those who are writing the kid off when he has barely ****ing played. Not so much on here, but just other places I have seen. Not saying the kid is gonna make the Pro Bowl this upcoming season, but he has the tools to succeed in this league and obviously Ron, EB, and the rest have faith in him or they would have drafted another QB, really is that simple.