Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said: Wait, his wife was on the flight too? This just gets worse. Dao, his wife and two other passengers were asked to leave the aircraft because the flight was full and four crew members needed their seats so they could be in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.” The airline had offered compensation worth up to $800 for passengers to give up their seats, but no one took the offer. http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/11/david-dao-passenger-removed-united-flight-doctor-troubled-past/100318320/ Apparently for involuntary deboarding, written material must be given and the comp rate is set. United didnt provide written material. I assume the $800 offer was 400% the face value of the tickets and therefore compliant with set comp rates through the Dept of Trans where delay is greater than 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 If the previous law posted previously about overbooking is to be believed, United was obligated to get him another flight that would deliver him to his destination at least an hour later than the scheduled flight he was on, not a day later. They shouldn't have even approached the passengers for volunteers until they upheld their end of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 They didn't have to drag his wife out for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mooka said: *btw, for all you know thinking he's about to rake in millions in lawsuits, I assume he's also about to face multiple felony charges as well. What happens when he's charged for all sorts of dis-obeying airline people on an airplane stuff? By law, this man just committed a bunch of serious crimes. I don't see lawsuits in his future as much as I see legal defense. This is really all that matters, sure you never want someone to get dragged from a seat but I already stated my POV on that, if he was breaking a law then you open yourself up to this type of stuff. At first I heard the Dr had surgery's the next day and now the info has changed and its just patients he has to see, all of us know that if we have something important to do the following day after flying there is some risk because the airlines are a mess at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Blaming the Doctor is pointless, considering he should've never been placed in that situation to begin with. United is at fault for creating this situation. Eliminate the root of the problem, United, and we don't need to talk about the non-complaint Doctor, the rude arrogant manager, or the over aggressive police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: This is really all that matters, sure you never want someone to get dragged from a seat but I already stated my POV on that, if he was breaking a law then you open yourself up to this type of stuff. At first I heard the Dr had surgery's the next day and now the info has changed and its just patients he has to see, all of us know that if we have something important to do the following day after flying there is some risk because the airlines are a mess at times. Just patients? Yeah, cause someone's health isn't that big a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I wonder how fast its going to take United to get to the whole "We are sorry. We see what we did wrong. We wont beat your ass again unless you make us" Portion of this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The Police should have been arresting the senior United Rep for theft. They took his money and at the last possible second renigged on their end of the deal. Common law theft if the airlines hadn't paid for the rules to be as they wanted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well the CEO of United has issued another apology, presumably after getting his ass chewed out by the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: Dao, his wife and two other passengers were asked to leave the aircraft because the flight was full and four crew members needed their seats so they could be in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.” One, it seems like poor planning, to wait until the last minute, until all paid passengers have boarded, before they realize crew members need to be on that flight. Two, someone mentioned the bumped passengers were offered the next flight. So, if the crew just needed to be in Louisville the next day, then why couldn't the crew take the next flight, and not have this messy situation. Wouldn't they still make it to Louisville in time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just now, Malapropismic Depository said: One, it seems like poor planning, to wait until the last minute, until all paid passengers have boarded, before they realize crew members need to be on that flight. Two, someone mentioned the bumped passengers were offered the next flight. So, if the crew just needed to be in Louisville the next day, then why couldn't the crew take the next flight, and not have this messy situation. Wouldn't they still make it to Louisville in time ? I'd bet they were offered standby on the next flight not actual assigned seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said: If the previous law posted previously about overbooking is to be believed, United was obligated to get him another flight that would deliver him to his destination at least an hour later than the scheduled flight he was on, not a day later. They shouldn't have even approached the passengers for volunteers until they upheld their end of the law. Involuntary Bumping DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn't. Those travelers who don't get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash. The amount depends on the price of their ticket and the length of the delay: If you are bumped involuntarily and the airline arranges substitute transportation that is scheduled to get you to your final destination (including later connections) within one hour of your original scheduled arrival time, there is no compensation. If the airline arranges substitute transportation that is scheduled to arrive at your destination between one and two hours after your original arrival time (between one and four hours on international flights), the airline must pay you an amount equal to 200% of your one-way fare to your final destination that day, with a $675 maximum. If the substitute transportation is scheduled to get you to your destination more than two hours later (four hours internationally), or if the airline does not make any substitute travel arrangements for you, the compensation doubles (400% of your one-way fare, $1350 maximum). As noted above, no compensation is due if the airline arranges substitute transportation which is scheduled to arrive at your destination within one hour of your originally scheduled arrival time. https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights My interpretation is that United does not have to even accommodate alt transportation. They could just kick you off and pay you 400%. If your substitute transportation gets you there more than 2 hours late, next day or never .. its capped at 400%. Also heard they were offered vouchers and not cash. DOT says nothing about comp being in vouchers, of course that might be in another section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: My interpretation is that United does not have to even accommodate alt transportation. They could just kick you off and pay you 400%. If your substitute transportation gets you there more than 2 hours late, next day or never .. its capped at 400%. Also heard they were offered vouchers and not cash. DOT says nothing about comp being in vouchers, of course that might be in another section. Nah, that's not correct: https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights: You always get to keep your original ticket and use it on another flight. If you choose to make your own arrangements, you can request an "involuntary refund" for the ticket for the flight you were bumped from. The denied boarding compensation is essentially a payment for your inconvenience. Further: Airlines may offer free tickets or dollar-amount vouchers for future flights in place of a check for denied boarding compensation. However, if you are bumped involuntarily you have the right to insist on a check if that is your preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 28 minutes ago, Hersh said: Just patients? Yeah, cause someone's health isn't that big a deal. I don't think you really know what your talking about which is why I didn't want to reply to you but as someone who has many doctors right now I can tell you they don't fly without having coverage in case something like this happens, I just had this conversation about 4 weeks ago as my main specialist was going on vacation. This guy is a PCP who works one day a week at a general office. Also I thank god I have good doctors unlike the one who was dragged off the plane. Dao was arrested in 2003 as part of an undercover operation. Two years later, Dao was convicted on six felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005, he was sentenced to five years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a male patient in exchange for sexual favors. In February 2005, Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: I don't think you really know what your talking about which is why I didn't want to reply to you but as someone who has many doctors right now I can tell you they don't fly without having coverage in case something like this happens, I just had this conversation about 4 weeks ago as my main specialist was going on vacation. This guy is a PCP who works one day a week at a general office. Also I thank god I have good doctors unlike the one who was dragged off the plane. Dao was arrested in 2003 as part of an undercover operation. Two years later, Dao was convicted on six felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005, he was sentenced to five years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a male patient in exchange for sexual favors. In February 2005, Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. I don't think you really know what you are talking about as you continue to embrace/celebrate the bully and using physical force. Classic victim blaming on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 49 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: Too many people think they can dismiss authority, its becoming a big issue. 47 minutes ago, Hersh said: Too many people think it's okay to use force regardless of the situation, it's a big issue. Is it possible for people to admit that both of these statements are true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just now, TheGreatBuzz said: Is it possible for people to admit that both of these statements are true? Both of those statements are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hersh said: I don't think you really know what you are talking about as you continue to embrace/celebrate the bully and using physical force. Classic victim blaming on your part. Celebrate is a bit much, your a snowflake and I'm not and we'll never see eye to eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well, I see this thread has devolved rather quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I see they are dragging up the passenger's past, as if that's relevant to the present circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just now, jschuck12001 said: Celebrate is a bit much, your a snowflake and I'm not and we'll never see eye to eye. If you are going to call someone a snowflake, at least use proper grammar. As to calling me a name...LOL...sure thing. Yay bullies!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: Celebrate is a bit much, your a snowflake and I'm not and we'll never see eye to eye. Oh, Mr Tough guy. Lol "you're" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, DM72 said: Oh, Mr Tough guy. Lol "you're" oh kay, grammer nasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: oh kay, grammer nasy Lol...I didn't bring it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, jschuck12001 said: I don't think you really know what your talking about which is why I didn't want to reply to you but as someone who has many doctors right now I can tell you they don't fly without having coverage in case something like this happens, I just had this conversation about 4 weeks ago as my main specialist was going on vacation. This guy is a PCP who works one day a week at a general office. Also I thank god I have good doctors unlike the one who was dragged off the plane. Dao was arrested in 2003 as part of an undercover operation. Two years later, Dao was convicted on six felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005, he was sentenced to five years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a male patient in exchange for sexual favors. In February 2005, Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. What does his past criminal history from years ago have to do with him being assaulted? Sounds to me like he was making a lot of mistakes, nearly destroyed his life and then was able to turn it around. Before being curb checked on an arm rest by hired thugs. Why does that offend your delicate sensibilities? Not the violent act that occurred this week but the personal mistakes from a decade that be was able to recover from. Oh yeah...Hurr durr us a snowflake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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