2018 Draft Day Thread

[joeken24]

So I wonder if the Giants pick of Barkley had anything to do with this pick? The reason I say that is because I think Derwin was the best player available at 13, not Payne. With being said, I'm ok with the pick. Particularly since I believe Montae is going to be a baller this year. The second round is going to be interesting since they've made it clear that they are in need of a RB. Interesting how Penny went before Guice, Jones and Chubb. Again, I like Kalen Ballage out of Arizona. 

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

Well boys and girls...one of the following players will be available at #44 tomorrow:

 

Landry

Josh Jackson

Hernandez

James Daniels

Guice

Nick Chubb

R. Jones

Ronnie Harrison

Justin Reid

Isaiah Oliver

Maurice Hurst

Harrison Phillips

James Washington

Donte Jackson

Duke Dawson

Josh Sweat

 

Obviously I think any of these dudes would help out...but what the **** do I know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CutPryorNow]

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Oh I wasn't asking for examples of his game tape. I've watched all of his cutups, including those games. I was just responding to a poster who put up a video of his combine workout as some sort of apparent proof of him being a stud. I was saying that it would be more convincing if he posted a cut up of a game and pointed out plays that he liked and why and why it meant to him that Payne was worth the pick.

It's not about Payne being a bad player, rather the Redskins taking the "safe" pick like they have arrived on the scene LOL Bruce Allen picks for value rather than dominance. Will Payne work out in the NFL - probably, but we want A players with our top pick not a safe B player

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Goddamn, the one thing I’ve gathered from this thread is that Derwin James is a literal god and ****s ice cream 

 

We are the only fanbase that incessantly obsesses over safeties....

[Wildbunny]

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[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Can someone explain where exactly James would play if he was picked??

 

regardless of how you feel about Swearinger, he’s not going anywhere. They clearly love Nicholson. I’m pretty sure either Dunbar (who they just gave a deal to) or Moreau would be the nickel. I see people knocking Payne for not being a 3 down player but I can’t see where James would realistically fit. 

[ddub52]

1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I liked their draft.  I thought Baker was the best QB and second best player behind Saquon.  I would have picked him first.  And honestly, I'm shocked that they did, I expected them to go Darnold or Rosen.  Good for them.

 

I wasn't a big fan of Chubb.  I thought he was being overrated because of how bad the edge rusher class is.  I thought he was Chris Long or Ryan Kerrigan--a good player, but not a dominant one.  I wasn't impressed by his initial quickness and I thought he was a little top heavy and stiff and had trouble bending the edge.  Try-hard power rushers are good and useful players, but I don't think they justify top five picks.  You need that Vic Beasley/Von Miller speed on the edge to do that IMO.

 

Chubb was clean and a versatile defender who should make his team better, but I just don't love the upside given how high he was drafted.  Ward had higher upside IMO.  That guy is a truly phenomenal athlete who can carry any kind of speed on the outside long.  Swivelly hips and awesome feet.  He has a chance to be really really good.  I like that Cleveland swung for the fences with their picks, I just wish they'd been able to trade up and get Barkley + Mayfield.

Agree. Imo Browns should have went with Barkley at #1 and whatever QB was available at 4

[markmills67]

3 hours ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

Well boys and girls...one of the following players will be available at #44 tomorrow:

 

Landry

Josh Jackson

Hernandez

James Daniels

Guice

Nick Chubb

R. Jones

Ronnie Harrison

Justin Reid

Isaiah Oliver

Maurice Hurst

Harrison Phillips

James Washington

Donte Jackson

Duke Dawson

Josh Sweat

 

Obviously I think any of these dudes would help out...but what the **** do I know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hernandez or Chubb for me.

 

HTTR 

[#BgMase76#]

3 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Goddamn, the one thing I’ve gathered from this thread is that Derwin James is a literal god and ****s ice cream 

 

We are the only fanbase that incessantly obsesses over safeties....

Right, because the only way he can compete is w/ a third safety on the field. Who knew Payne was chopped liver??

3 hours ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Can someone explain where exactly James would play if he was picked??

 

regardless of how you feel about Swearinger, he’s not going anywhere. They clearly love Nicholson. I’m pretty sure either Dunbar (who they just gave a deal to) or Moreau would be the nickel. I see people knocking Payne for not being a 3 down player but I can’t see where James would realistically fit. 

IDK, I was just as confused when I saw mock drafts saying we needed a SS. Isn't that what Swearinger plays best? He only played FS cause Nicholson got hurt. I think Dunbar is initially #2 corner before Moreau takes his spot pushes him to nickel.

[#BgMase76#]

1 hour ago, markmills67 said:

Hernandez or Chubb for me.

 

HTTR 

Hernandez is kool but at back I think Ronald Jones is home run hitter any play.

[dyst]

5 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

Lol, Like Vince Wilfork, and Jonathan Allen and Warren Sapp, or the most famous version, Dan Marino.

 

 

 

Supposedly he had a foot injury making teams hesitant?

[Elessar78]

Eagles: SB champs, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles

 

Giants: Eli, Saquon 

 

Cowboys: Zeke, Dak 

 

[#BgMase76#]

1 minute ago, Elessar78 said:

Eagles: SB champs, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles

 

Giants: Eli, Saquon 

 

Cowboys: Zeke, Dak 

 

Hmmmmm..... Eli? Back end of his career, new offense, same bad OL.

Dak rocketed below sea level with his average at best play. No real weapons on the outside and his passing game is predicated on Zeke.

Yes, the Eagles are the class of the division but after that it's a toss up between us and dallass. Too much change in NY to take them seriously.

[crabbypatty]

17 minutes ago, #BgMase76# said:

Hmmmmm..... Eli? Back end of his career, new offense, same bad OL.

Dak rocketed below sea level with his average at best play. No real weapons on the outside and his passing game is predicated on Zeke.

Yes, the Eagles are the class of the division but after that it's a toss up between us and dallass. Too much change in NY to take them seriously.

 

I think you are being optimistic. They've beat us 8 of the last 10 times, including the last 5 at FedEx.

I hate them more than anything but we've gotta be able to beat them before saying it's a toss up. History indicates otherwise.

[RWJ]

I think Skins will find a way to get into the 3rd round today buy using one of their 5ths and next year's 3rd.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

10 hours ago, Califan007 said:

Hoo boy lol...

I really wish I had that drop of Romo saying "OOOOHHH BOY, HERE WE GO, HERE WE GO JIM!"

10 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

Yay, another nightmare running back in the East ?

I hope to God we get a RB in the second who works out, otherwise we'll have Perine or Kelly to match up against the other team's riches..

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Worst porno name ever

I'd go with best, but whatever..

 

9 hours ago, normal_gymnasium said:

Suzy Kolber says "Coast to Coast" ... yes, from the shining coast of Wyoming to the beaches of Buffalo.

Kolber is an idiot.  A pioneer, and to be respected for her accomplishments.  But a complete idiot.  

 

9 hours ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

Enough time for the  Caps to blow it.  

That was the biggest lock of all time. 

 

9 hours ago, Bacon said:

Eventually our whole front 7 is going to be Alabama.

Well, if you're going to draft from only one college, Alabama isn't a bad one to pick.  In the 90's, I would have just drafted Florida State players.  

 

9 hours ago, Morrison J said:

I'd have preferred Derrius Guice honestly.

You're just saying that because you're upset. 

 

9 hours ago, GhostofSparta said:

Jesus. Why couldn't WE have made that trade with the Saints....

 

Ugh.

We used up our 'Saints fleecing trade stock in the 90's...

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

We'll probably get destroyed by injuries again.

Oh shut up you.  

 

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I'm willing to put $100 that we have already read Guice on a card, and unless he's picked before we pick, that's the pick.  Bruce doesn't even show up at the Park tonight...

 

 

[SkinsGuy]

8 hours ago, Califan007 said:

In case anyone was wondering, I haven't heard from Margot Robbie, dammit.

 

We weren't wondering. We knew.  

[Burgold]

So, in looking at people calling Payne "unproductive" the number that jumps out at me is 53. In the NFC that would rank him about 7th highest. In the AFC, fifty three would make him the DT with the highest number of tackles in the entire conference.

 

That's pretty productive, especially as Alabama probably rotates their tackles a lot and sits them in the fourth quarter once they have their mega leads.

[Skinsinparadise]

6 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

 

His ass is on the line. No doubt he'd rather of had an impact O player for his side of the ball. 

 

I'd have the Redskins in the top ten pairings of the first round personally. 

 

Hail. 

 

I got little doubt that jobs are on the line. That's what upsets me the most about the pick. I hate using the draft to offset FA.  In FA I was screaming to go DT.  Payne is the perfect pick to try to save jobs.  IMO they botched FA at DT, left a gaping hole at that position.  So why not take an Alabama guy who fills a need?   Cooley painted it perfectly IMO weeks back (and not as a complement) -- Payne like most Alabama guys are NFL ready but IMO he is nothing special though as a player.  But if you want plug and play he's the guy.   Guys like Edmonds-D. James scream star power talent but might take a year or so to blossom -- likely A level guys.  Payne already has the technique down but likely a B guy. 

 

Yeah I watched the championship games.  But I didn't only watch the championship games.  I watched Alabama all season.  To me the Mason Foster of the D line is the perfect description of Payne -- did you see Foster in that last game against the Giants in 2016, the dude was everywhere.  But by and large is he a dominant player?  Nope.  Good players have their moments.  But they don't have a lot of them.  Like Foster, to me Payne is steady-good but not spectacular.  And that's not because I don't understand the role of a nose tackle -- I've seen great nose tackle play, it is noticeable when it happens.

 

Your guy Brugler (I like him, too) has said it well among many in an interview I listened to once which is it depends on what version of Payne you get, he plays high too much, not consistent, tires later in the games. He is a good player with a lot of potential but you have to hope that you get the playoff version of Payne and bank on that potential versus the guy you saw for most of the season,

 

To me easily one of the 10 worse picks of the first round.  But I agree with your point about pairing -- as a need based pairing pick its a home run.  If I ignored who else was on the board where I treated the draft like it works like FA it was brilliant.   To me its the draft version of the Alex Smith trade.  I like Alex Smith the player.  But when I factor context and what they gave up to get him, I hate the trade. My hope is Tomusla coaches Payne up.  I don't think its impossible that Payne develops into an A.  But I don't see him as a freak-all pro potential type like James or Edmunds.  Hope I am wrong. 

 

But anyway I am done venting on Payne.  I could live with Payne, I think he will be a good player and no chance he will be a bust so it could be worse.   if I dig their 2nd rounder, I'll let it go and focus on that.   If this is a need based draft and I am convinced now it is - the clear gaping holes:  RB, LG.  Maybe nickel corner.  I expect that to be one of the positions taken.

 

I am guessing the Giants are sadly grabbing Hernandez.  You got Daniels still dangling.  Corbett. C. Williams.  Personally, I wouldn't mind if they took who in my mind is a better D lineman than Payne in the 2nd -- Harrison Phillips.  Maurice Hurst too -- 3 technique, if his health checks out.  RB -- Guice, Chubb, R. Jones in that order.  I love Anthony Miller but he doesn't fill a need.  Kirk.  Chark.  You got some good TEs available.    Lorenzo Carter.

 

If we are purely in win now mode.  Screw it, I'd try to trade up for Guice.  the problem though is I doubt the Browns with all their picks want to add more.  Giants have Hernandez sitting there.  Why would the Colts and Tampa both supposedly wanting Rbs just hand the top one to the Redskins?  So I don't think its doable.  

[Koolblue13]

1 hour ago, Elessar78 said:

Eagles: SB champs, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles

 

Giants: Eli, Saquon 

 

Cowboys: Zeke, Dak 

 

Roll Tide

[Going Commando]

6 hours ago, LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 said:

Cut the bull****.......NOBODIES complaining that we invested in the line. They're complaining because they/we feel that the team didnt get value at that pick because of the player.

 

They're undervaluing the player because of the nature of the position he plays.

6 hours ago, LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 said:

Cut the bull****.......NOBODIES complaining that we invested in the line. They're complaining because they/we feel that the team didnt get value at that pick because of the player.

 

They're undervaluing the player because of the nature of the position he plays.  The same thing happened with Brandon Scherff in 2015.

[Skinsinparadise]

The what the heck would we do with Derwin James narrative.  I'll start with this Craig Hoffman said they were deciding between Payne and James when their pick arrived.  So it wasn't like the Redskins were stumped as to what to do with the dude.  If its ALL about 2018 -- then James would be the dime LB -- sometimes nickel.  He'd even play a little nickel corner.  Cover TEs.  He actually is a good pass rusher out of of nickel.  And yeah you can play with three stud safeties on the field a lot -- you are in nickel 60-70% of the time.   Gregg Williams years back played a lot with three safeties.

 

Long term -- I don't get the impression that Swearinger is here for life.  At least one beat guy suggested he could be gone next year along with Norman with his cap figure rising and propensity to talk. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

They're undervaluing the player because of the nature of the position he plays.

 

They're undervaluing the player because of the nature of the position he plays.  The same thing happened with Brandon Scherff in 2015.

 

Apples to oranges to me to Scherff.  I applauded that pick.  Scherff was a stud at Iowa.  Payne IMO not a stud.  I don't see the typical criticism here, great player but we don't need a great nose but prefer another spot.   But anyway hopefully it all works out. 

[Burgold]

The thing about Derwin James is that he fell. He didn't only fall to us, but past us all the way to 17. This wasn't Scherff/Williams where the player we didn't choose was snapped up within seconds of us picking Scherff. This is a guy who fell to the second half of the draft. Now maybe the 16 previous teams were wrong. Maybe he was the best player available, but teams number 14, 15, and 16 didn't think so.

[Darrell Green Fan]

6 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

@mistertim wow dude. All you need to do is actually read the post. The point was to show why he was not a reach at 13., which people have postulated.  The video shows Mayock and Jeremiah two of the most highly respected talent evaluators giving their thoughts he should have gone right where he went. Added in a Kiper ranking as well. People who are paid lots of money to do talent evaluation.

So he wasn’t a reach because that’s where many highly respected thought he would go. 

 

 

 

I like the pick too but if your point you were making was the opinion of the evaluates why not just post their quotes? When I clicked on your video I too was expecting game tape, not a guy in shorts running around cones.  That's all the poster was saying, game tapes provide a better argument and what he/she was expecting to see.  

[Probos]

6 hours ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

Well boys and girls...one of the following players will be available at #44 tomorrow:

 

Landry

Josh Jackson

Hernandez

James Daniels

Guice

Nick Chubb

R. Jones

Ronnie Harrison

Justin Reid

Isaiah Oliver

Maurice Hurst

Harrison Phillips

James Washington

Donte Jackson

Duke Dawson

Josh Sweat

 

Obviously I think any of these dudes would help out...but what the **** do I know?

 

 

 

I think Guice, Chubb and Jones might be gone before the Skins pick, but,...who knows.  I definitely Guice think is gone -- I really like R. Jones and Chubb.  Josh Jackson or Landry would be excellent.