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I cannot believe you seriously thought he might not declare lol

Or maybe you should adjust your priors on PFF?

The entire NFL uses PFF as part of player evaluation

I don’t necessarily disagree with your point about coaching but I’ll argue that none of the 3 teams you mentioned are consistently in the playoffs. The goal isn’t a one off appearance. Even Jay managed that. To be a consistent winner, you gotta have to have that position locked down. Browns have been looking forever. Luckily they have Flacco on a heater right now. Steelers are a good example for coaching’s importance. They’ve been over .500 the last few years solely bc of Tomlin imo. But they haven’t been a real threat since Ben retired. And the Colts have been a disaster since Andrew Luck decided to value health over football.

But that’s why this opportunity is so great. Unlike RG3 or Bryce Young, there’s no king ransom to pay. It’s a potential franchise QB falling right in your lap with minimal risk long term. I would totally get the hesitation on trading up. But this situation is almost perfect. Also, Kenny Pickett is hurt. And I really think our fans underrate how bad Sam was last year. He’s not getting another opportunity outside of injury. His numbers were atrocious and the last 6 or so games pretty much wrecked any good he put on tape prior to that. It’s literally just not going to happen. He was that bad. There was no consideration of the Texans rolling with Davis Mills (who had put up comparable if not better stats than Sam to that point) instead of drafting Shroud last year. There was no consideration of rolling with Minshew (who was legitimately good and won games) instead of drafting Lawrence in Jacksonville circa 2021. This is not a thing, guys. Especially when the folks in charge have zero ties to Sam. I don’t even get why it’s a topic but I guess that’s the “extreme” part

Ron Rivera basically admitted that was why he was fired. Jay Gruden just tweeted this. It’s known across the league. That’s why the QBs go so high in drafts.

…..are you serious ? Arthur Smith just got fired for that exact reason. His owner fed that exact reasoning to Ian Rappaport to be read on NFL Network

It just doesn’t compute in my brain. Every time a coach or GM is fired now, the root cause is tied back to the lack of a QB. I don’t see how anyone could think they’d wait on that especially since that is is what just doomed Ron. If for whatever random reason Williams stays then WSH is taking Daniels. There’s no debate to me. That’s the NFL.

If they don’t hit on a QB within the first 3 seasons, they’ll all be fired. They are not gonna wait to do so. I guess understand fan angst but RG3 and Chase Young will be the last thing on their minds. That has nothing to do with Adam Peters. I mean the Texans drafting David Carr 1 overall didn’t stop them from taking Shroud last year

….There’s no way they’re passing on QB, guys. There’s no need to even bring it up. This is a universally praised QB class. It’s not 2022.

I recently renewed my PFF subscription because they’re really good with their draft content. I did not realize that Sam graded out to be the 50th ranked passer in 2023. Even including backups. 57.6 passing grade. That combined with his QBR and EPA numbers being extremely low has me thinking a smart, analytical GM like I assume Peters is might be totally out on Sam. I mean I didn’t realize his numbers had gotten that bad. He was legit one of the worst QBs in the league last year. At this point, there’s zero chance they run it back with him so that debate is dead. Now I wonder if he’s even the backup next year. Legitimately. What would be the selling point? He’s young? So will the new guy. Wouldn’t be surprised if they bring another vet in.

It guarantees nothing but it really feels good to see a sound process in place. To see this franchise attack success and land the top young talent. We haven’t had that in a while. And even crazier…they want to come here. Adam Peters is widely considered a top football executive who has worked in multiple great organizations and he wanted to come here. Sure seems like Ben Johnson has a decent shot at coming here. Again, I’m always going to temper Washington Football Team expectations but this feels pretty damn cool.

“Exceptional runner”? You guys are really generous with your words lol. Guys, no NFL offense is going to have more than a few designed runs for Sam Howell. He is not that kind of a player. He has functional athleticism much like Trevor Lawrence.

Manziel ran for like 1400 yards or something nuts one year in college. Sam isn’t Manning level slow or anything but he’s not nearly a dynamic enough runner for any of that. I was hoping for more designed runs around the goal line tho for sure. But that was not translating to the NFL. 700 yards would have had him in MVP discussions. Mind you that he elected to skip the 40 at the combine.

SEVEN HUNDRED rushing yards??? Who do you think he was? Where did you get that idea from? lol

This debate is pretty much dead now but felt like this is still a good point by Rappaport (that likely is coming directly from Arthur Blank)

Why would he be available? Lol

I live in reality. There is no short term with this franchise especially going into this season.

Well Dallas and Philly have kicked our asses for about 30 years now so what’s another loss? At least I have hope now. Better than the sugar rush of winning today. I’d much rather beat them in future meaningful games

Don’t need or want to see another snap from ol’14 ever again. Thank you.

I’m 30 so while I’ve pretty much never missed a game since I was like 5, I didn’t really understand/pay much attention to coaches until like the Gibbs 2 era. I remember the results before then but I don’t really have much of a memory/concept about the others’ coaching styles except that Marty was a hard ass and Spurrier was um…quirky? Lol I know everyone thinks I hate Sam but legitimately never understood how Ridder and Corrall got picked before him. It sounds good in hindsight but I got instant bust vibes as soon as I started researching them leading up to the draft. Especially Corrall.

I was so onboard with him the first year and a half. I really was. I blindly defended him at times even though I pretty much disagreed with him completely at a philosophical level. Defended the Jamin Davis pick even though it went against what I believed a modern team should do. I went to war with folks in favor of Wentz bc I was a fan of his and I still wanted to believe in Ron. But the arrogance and superiority complex drove me away slowly. I get it. He’s a 1 of 1 alpha male that’s accomplished greatness at basically every level of football. He should be arrogant but the final straw for me was going into that first Philly game in 2022 and being like a 7-8 point dog AT HOME to a rival that started a rebuild after you did. I had ST that year and I remember walking into that stadium resigned to the fact that we were gonna be wrecked and no one associated with Philly was even worried about the result. Inexcusable. His record at drafting and FA is unbelievably bad. I know there were forces beyond his control at times but it’s hard to be this bad.

Really want to make a thread and get everyone’s opinion on where Ron falls in the Snyder’s HC group. To me, he’s in Zorn and Spurrier territory easily.

No way. I’m intrigued by Fields but he’s done nothing to warrant an extension and honestly has shown to be closer to bad than good. It would be insane to randomly lock him up.

Agreed on your philosophical point. And in general, I agree with your main point but I really think Purdy is a good QB. Maybe he got there faster because of circumstance but his numbers are MVP worthy. That’s has to be beyond the Shanahan system in my mind because we’ve never seen a QB (young or old) run it to this degree outside of RG3. I am not confident that Sam would have them winning the one seed in the NFC right now but that’s just my opinion. Processing and making accurate throws are crucial in that system and Sam struggles with that a lot right now. But again this is just my opinion. For whatever reason, I’ve always been really impressed with Purdy. I never saw it with Lance and Jimmy G drove me insane when I watched him play there. I will say Pittsburgh is a good example of the overall point. Pickett stinks but bc he plays for Pittsburgh and specifically Tomlin, he’s always going to be winning games in spite of himself.