BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93

I’m so tired of trying to build towards one of those random 10-7 seasons and then lose in the WC game and miss the playoffs the next season. I want to aim high for once. Average QB play gets you average results. As much as I was never convinced by Sam, I DID NOT want one of those 8-9 win seasons with Jacoby this season. Having a random playoff year that leads to nothing does not interest me anymore.

Gardner Minshew is a fine QB. That isn’t an insult. He’s just not worthy of being built around. Same with Sam at least in my opinion. Teams without direction will always need solid bridge/backup QBs like Minshew, Jameis, Colt, Heinicke, etc. And I’d bet a ton of money that if you went back and found a Bucs message board or a Browns one, you’d find folks giving similar arguments in defense of Jameis and Colt from back in the day. Sam’s story is not all that unique. A lot of middling/bad QBs got raw deals at various points. I know we think this is the worst situation in the NFL’s history but it’s not. It’s not a fair league. A lot of those old school LBs would be smoked in the modern NFL bc they wouldn’t be able to cover LBs or RBs. They’d be facing offenses that are comfortable throwing 40-50+ times a game.

In the last 5 years, these are the teams with the most wins: Chiefs - Mahomes Bills - Allen Ravens - Jackson Packers - Rodgers Niners - QB committee so they support your point Cowboys - Dak Saints - Brees Seahawks - Russ Eagles - Hurts Almost all of those teams revolve around their franchise QB. It is really is that important if you want to win sustainably. And you’ll find varying OLine quality between those teams as well.

I mean he’d have to develop a lot to reach that ceiling I was talking about.

He will be the next version of Baker, Jameis, Minshew, Heinicke. He’ll be a backup for a bit, play well in relief, and might even take a team to a wild card one season. He’ll be a beloved player in every city and on social media because above all else, he’s a never boring underdog.

Happy holidays friend lol. We think very differently

The Redskins beat the Seahawks in a meaningless game late in 2011 and that was basically the difference between drafting RG3 at 2 straight up and having to trade. I’m going to guess you cannot tell me anything about that game or how good that win made you feel. You’re entitled to your opinion but there’s no need for deep analysis on this. It’s better for the franchise to lose out. 70% of this team will not be on the next playoff roster here. If not much more.

lol i went and re-read this thread and man, this was a beat by beat re-enactment of when RG3 got hooked for Kirk ”The play calling is different!” ”Why don’t you call those plays for Robert!” Good ol ES, man.

It’s truly insane to think about. I know he knows football but I’m not sure he’s all that smart.

If I say what i think about Ron Rivera, I’ll be banned and I’ll probably be sent directly to hell

Dude i don’t care about the other players lol I just need to see if Sam is that bad or not lol. Right now, it looks like it’s him. He’s bailing out of clean pockets and missing reads. If I see Brisset come in and play competently, it’s a better data point on Sam. You’re overthinking it. The roster is absolutely cooked from a big picture view. That was known weeks ago.

It really has nothing to do with Brisset. It’s about Sam. The entire season is/was about Sam. I need a definitive answer. We should all want one.

No he’s healthy. He’s just not playing against the worst offense in the NFL bc he’s even worse

You got me but it’s time to admit your last name is Howell as well

Guys, the Jets are WAY more talented than us. If you take the best 5 guys on the field, 4 are wearing green. Easily. No debate. They legitimately are a QB away

Bc I can definitely say it’s Sam at that point and the debate is over. There’s still an open question.

At this point, I am curious to see what Brisset looks like and if he could make this look functional or if the entire operation is THAT bad.

Jets defense is elite. That’s why WSH had zero chance to win this game. It’s really unfair against such an embarrassing offense

He’s a fifth rounder. Unfortunately that was likely gonna be his outcome. He was lucky to get a QB1 job without a competition in the first place.

He’s literally bailing out of clean pockets. The announcers are mentioning it too. He’s cooked and will likely be replaced soon

I really have no opinion about Spielman but this all incredibly harsh. You’re acting like he was Matt Millen. He was a perfectly fine GM and had plenty of real world experience building a decent team pretty much year in and year out. Again, we’re just talking about analysis, not giving him a job.

The rosters turn over too much in this league to do this. For example, almost the entire draft class from ‘24 would be gone or on 2nd contracts by the time the team would be “ready” in his scenario

The GM will be fired halfway through your plan. This doesn’t work in the NFL

That’s my point. It’s not about the team. It’s the people involved. Every time you start changing any combination of HC/GM/QB, it starts a new cycle in my mind that is separate from whoever came before.

Can someone point me to a franchise that sucked for 3+ seasons, allowed the GM/HC/QB to see it through, and then eventually got good? Long rebuilds don’t happen in the NFL. Execs/coaches usually get 2 years to show signs of progress.