Rookie QB or Veteran QB for "Next Season"??? (I didn't bump this, but I ended up being wrong anyway....)

[kingdaddy]

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

How many young QB's ever recover from that and go on to be solid starting QBs?

All I can think of are Aikman and Peyton Manning...

Manning went 3-13 with 28 interceptions his rookie year....incredibly went 13-3 his sophomore year with 15 picks.

Aikman went 0-11 with 9 TD passes and 18 picks his rookie season. 

Favre threw 24 picks his second season in Green Bay.

 

These are hall of famers whose coaches threw them out there, let them struggle and stuck by them because they were high draft picks I'm sure. I remember Aikman as a young QB, it wasn't pretty, largely because of his supporting cast. The Eagles sacked him  something like 12 times in Dallas one time. 

I'm not saying Darnold is any of these guys but he is still only 23 years old and some of the best to ever play did get off to rough starts. 

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

13 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

How many young QB's ever recover from that and go on to be solid starting QBs?

Goff was 0-7 in his first season.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 minute ago, kingdaddy said:

All I can think of are Aikman and Peyton Manning...

Manning went 3-13 with 28 interceptions his rookie year....incredibly went 13-3 his sophomore year with 15 picks.

Aikman went 0-11 with 9 TD passes and 18 picks his rookie season. 

Favre threw 24 picks his second season in Green Bay.

 

These are hall of famers whose coaches threw them out there, let them struggle and stuck by them because they were high draft picks I'm sure. I remember Aikman as a young QB, it wasn't pretty, largely because of his supporting cast. The Eagles sacked him  something like 12 times in Dallas one time. 

I'm not saying Darnold is any of these guys but he is still only 23 years old and some of the best to ever play did get off to rough starts. 

We've done this 'but Manning threw 28 interceptions in his 1st season' deal with every young QB to start in the league since then.  It's proven to be foolish.  The entire world knew many of Peyton's 28 interceptions would soon be in the touchdown column.  Aikman was just an entirely different era and I don't want to turn this thread sideways on a tangent, but imo overrated.  Favre, Darnold couldn't be anymore unlike.  Having to go back over 30 years to find QB's that have overcame the ghosts to go on to be legit starters in the league practically rests my case.

 

It'd be one thing if Darnold was on the open market and able to be picked up for a cheap, prove-it deal, after we've exhausted better options.  But to get Darnold, you'd have to trade an asset for him as well as be on the hook.  Gross.

9 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Goff was 0-7 in his first season.

Fair enough.

 

But, still remains to be seen if Goff is able to drop back and throw it successfully, without McVay's sorcery and running game.  He looked good the one season with all the trickery and play action, but when that dried up - he got shipped to Detroit.  We'll see.

[kingdaddy]

6 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

We've done this 'but Manning threw 28 interceptions in his 1st season' deal with every young QB to start in the league since then.  It's proven to be foolish.  The entire world knew many of Peyton's 28 interceptions would soon be in the touchdown column.  Aikman was just an entirely different era and I don't want to turn this thread sideways on a tangent, but imo overrated.  Favre, Darnold couldn't be anymore unlike.  Having to go back over 30 years to find QB's that have overcame the ghosts to go on to be legit starters in the league practically rests my case.

 

It'd be one thing if Darnold was on the open market and able to be picked up for a cheap, prove-it deal, after we've exhausted better options.  But to get Darnold, you'd have to trade an asset for him as well as be on the hook.  Gross.

Fair enough.

 

But, still remains to be seen if Goff is able to drop back and throw it successfully, without McVay's sorcery and running game.  He looked good the one season with all the trickery and play action, but when that dried up - he got shipped to Detroit.  We'll see.

If you're trying to make the point that Darnold isn't gonna be the answer and is not gonna have a good pro career I think most of us would agree with you based on what we've seen. But, some of the best have had rough starts, that's a fact. Dick Vermeil comes on the Philly sports talk radio and often times ponts out how coaches don't have the luxury of sitting young QB's to teach them the position and coach them up before throwing them out there like they did in the old days. I wonder if Darnold isn't a great example of this? If the next organization he plays for coaches him up and sits him for a year, who knows if he can get back to the prospect he once was? I wouldn't write him off at 23 unless he clearly doesnt have the make up of a pro QB and that he can't be fixed. 

I'm on record as not wanting Darnold, especially if we have to trade for him, but I can't say his career is a bust just yet. I wonder what Belichek could do with him?

[CommDownMan]

35 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

How many young QB's ever recover from that and go on to be solid starting QBs?

 

Tannehill is probably closest recent example, although solid is about all I'd give him. 

[redskinss]

10 hours ago, heyholetsgogrant said:

The NFL needs a cap on QB’s.

The disparity between teams with elite quarterbacks and the teams without is large enough without giving the teams with elite quarterbacks an even bigger advantage. 

 

Hard pass for me on a quarterback salary cap.

[Koolblue13]

Didn't Manning set the "got sacked" record his first 2 years?

[Spaceman Spiff]

Jesus ****.  If we get Darnold, I'm going to have to consider turning in the fan card.  Probably won't because I've made it this far and Darnold wouldn't be the worst thing that's transpired since I've been watching this team but....****, I don't want him.

[skinny21]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Signing Cam Newton is just not a good move. He couldn’t throw the football for 2/3 of the season. 
 

Guys like Newton and Darnold shouldn’t even be being discussed. They are not upgrades and a total waste of resources.

Does anyone know why he couldn’t throw the ball?  It was mentioned before and speculated that it could have been an injury?  Just seems strange to me that he just can’t do it any more and it seems like he’s too young to have just lost arm strength (let alone why he lost accuracy).  
Again, I’m seriously not advocating for Cam - I know very little about him TBH - but on the surface, 1) he’s still relatively young, 2) still good with his legs (fitting the mobility the coaches seem to want), 3) no trade needed to get him, 4) contract should be cheap, 5) he’d be a bridge qb, 6) Turner/RR have already found a way to work with him.  
If his passing issue is related to scheme (and comfort within that scheme), or surrounding talent, I’d think that would be alleviated here.  If was due to injury, has he or will he have healed up?  If it’s something else (confidence maybe? Too many hits?), can he be ‘fixed’ with better support?

I’m just looking for more info than ‘he’s washed’ or whatever, because given my numbered points above (mainly cost in resources) he seems a better option than the Darnold, Trubisky, Wentz types, and a heck of a lot cheaper than Carr.  

[Skinsinparadise]

As for ther Darnold stuff I still see the pro argument is primarily about the Jets suck.   I'd be much more reassured if someone sold me on his skill set.  We were joking the other day about Blake Bortles as if that's some killer insult to Darnold but it actually insults Bortles.  

 

Bortles had a better run than Darnold.  His top 2 seasons for QBR easily eclipsed Darnold's best. Their completion rate was about identicial.  Bortles with the better TD rate, better INT rate, threw for more yards per game, has a better Yard per Attempt.  

 

Yes Darnold was taking third in the draft.  As was Bortles.  Yes both have talent.  Both both had flaws on college that weren't conquered in the NFL.  It happens. Plenty of QBs bust.  Darnold isn't the first and won't be the last.  The Jets reporter who wated every game and most of his practices eviscerated Darnold when describing his play.  Saying what he saw was a bad decision maker.  Bad mechanics.  Struggles to read defenses.  Stares down targets.  What he said isn't that hard to see, rewatch some of the Jets game.

 

Is it possible that Darnold could be the rare young QB who stunk for 3 years and then turns it around?  Maybe.  But are you paying up a 2nd rounder and change for that?  If you are rilling the dice on a dude get them cheap.  The Tannehill model as some use here doesn't apply to Darnold for two reasons:  1. Tannehill didn't stink like Darnold did.  He actually had some decent seasons but nothing great. He put up numbers that Darnold can only dream of.  2.  The Titans got Tannehill cheap.  They gave up a 4th.    Tannehill is worth a 4th whereas Darnold is worth a 2nd or first?  That's ridicolous IMO.

 

Across his 27 college games over two seasons, Darnold amassed a whopping 36 turnovers. He lost 14 fumbles out of a total of 20, and threw 22 interceptions on 846 attempts (2.6%).Jul 31, 2018

 

 

[ODU AGGIE]

19 hours ago, samy316 said:

If we roll with just Heinecke and Allen next year, we’re not winning more than 6 or 7 games, which doesn’t even guarantee a division title.  If we want to win the division and compete for more, we need to significantly upgrade at the QB position.  If that means trading for Watson, or Carr, I’m all for it.  I do agree that Winston/Mariotta are not upgrades, and would be more placeholders than anything else.

 

If anything, last night should’ve been revealing to WFT fans, in that we went toe to toe with the SB champs with a 4th string QB literally signed off the streets.  We performed better against Tampa Bay than NO and KC did.  With the NFC picture up in the air now, maybe we can vault into contention if we get even an above average QB.

Bold face added. First, you state that like it is a fact. It is not a fact. It is your opinion and a prediction with no basis. Second, could you possibly stop to consider that the reason WFT performed better than TB, NO, and KC is because of Heinicke -- not in spite of him. Was it the defense that was responsible? Eh -- no. Brady threw for 380 yards and two TDs. The Bucs ran for another 142 yards for 522 yards of total offense. Meanwhile Heinicke hit 26 of 44  for 306 yards and a TD while personally rushing for another 46 yards and a TD. That is total offense by Heinicke of 352 yards and 2 TDs, the very definition of an above average QB. Yes, the game was revealing, but evidently, not to you.

[Skinsinparadise]

17 minutes ago, jsharrin55 said:

 

Tannehill is probably closest recent example, although solid is about all I'd give him. 

 

 

He was solid in Miami, he didn't stink.  I watched him plenty.  He was dissappointing in the clutch and big moments.    But he wasn't awful.  Darnold has been mostly awful. 

 

 

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Career					116	114	60-54-0	2345	3678	63.8	26995	178	4.8	88	2.4	1329	91	7.3	7.2	11.5	232.7	92.0		303	2270	6.21	6.11	7.6	22	22	89
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2012	24	MIA	QB	17	16	16	7-9-0	282	484	58.3	3294	12	2.5	13	2.7	151	80	6.8	6.1	11.7	205.9	76.1	48.4	35	234	5.90	5.23	6.7	1	1	10
2013	25	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	355	588	60.4	3913	24	4.1	17	2.9	204	67	6.7	6.2	11.0	244.6	81.7	48.4	58	399	5.44	5.00	9.0	4	3	10
2014	26	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	392	590	66.4	4045	27	4.6	12	2.0	225	50	6.9	6.9	10.3	252.8	92.8	59.3	46	337	5.83	5.83	7.2	2	1	14
2015	27	MIA	QB	17	16	16	6-10-0	363	586	61.9	4208	24	4.1	12	2.0	195	54	7.2	7.1	11.6	263.0	88.7	45.6	45	420	6.00	5.91	7.1	2	2	11
2016	28	MIA	QB	17	13	13	8-5-0	261	389	67.1	2995	19	4.9	12	3.1	134	74	7.7	7.3	11.5	230.4	93.5	48.6	29	216	6.65	6.27	6.9	3	3	10
2018	30	MIA	QB	17	11	11	5-6-0	176	274	64.2	1979	17	6.2	9	3.3	92	75	7.2	7.0	11.2	179.9	92.7	33.2	35	279	5.50	5.29	11.3	3	3	6
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2020	32	TEN	QB	17	16	16	11-5-0	315	481	65.5	3819	33	6.9	7	1.5	202	75	7.9	8.7	12.1	238.7	106.5	78.3	24	173	7.22	7.90	4.8	5	6	17

9 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Does anyone know why he couldn’t throw the ball?  It was mentioned before and speculated that it could have been an injury?  Just seems strange to me that he just can’t do it any more and it seems like he’s too young to have just lost arm strength (let alone why he lost accuracy).  

 

shoulder surgery

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

16 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Dick Vermeil comes on the Philly sports talk radio and often times ponts out how coaches don't have the luxury of sitting young QB's to teach them the position and coach them up before throwing them out there like they did in the old days. I wonder if Darnold isn't a great example of this?

Couldn't the same be said for dozens and dozens of guys?  It's not the old days.

 

17 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

If the next organization he plays for coaches him up and sits him for a year, who knows if he can get back to the prospect he once was? I wouldn't write him off at 23 unless he clearly doesnt have the make up of a pro QB and that he can't be fixed. 

Who is going to want to pay to do that?  For the slim chance he can get back to his prospect status.

 

This isn't about me declaring Darnold a bust, as that term is open to interpretation anyways.  It's about what we've seen from him vs. his cost and the likelihood he ends up being a good player.

 

21 minutes ago, jsharrin55 said:

 

Tannehill is probably closest recent example, although solid is about all I'd give him. 

He's never been great, but has been better than Darnold for the entirety of his career.

[CTskin]

Dak just started following WFT on Instagram... my FA dream scenario starting to shape up.

 

i knowwww it’s a ridiculous stretch, but these little rumors and tidbits are what keep the off-season fun.

[Est.1974]

I don’t like our odds at getting hold of a better than average QB right now. Real tough spot.

[Thinking Skins]

People talk about how unlikely it is that a lower round QB is to be good, but what if we had a Parcells like formula for drafting lower round QBs based on their college stats (he also had height requirements) but lets just look at who was drafted and simply question if they should have been based on the requirement. 

 

There are a few things we look at in terms of a QB - experience, accuracy, arm strength and mobility are 4 that stand out. So what can we use to measure that? I'd say that we could do this with a simple thing like attempts, completion percentage, yards per attempt and yards per run. This definitely won't beat the hard nose video review of players but I wanted to play and see how well I would have drafted these low round QBs had I done this? 

 

I'll list some players and a tuple att, comp%, ypa, ypc and my basic hunch is something like att > 600, comp% > 65, ypa > 8.0, ypc > 2.5). For (high) first rounders I'd probably be stricter on these and for lower rounds I may relax more. 

 

2016, 1, 1, LAR, Jared Goff, , 1568, 62.3, 7.8, -0.7 (not mobile enough)
2016, 1, 2, PHI, Carson Wentz, , 612, 64.1, 8.4, 4.8
2016, 1, 26, DEN, Paxton Lynch, , 1205, 62.9, 7.4, 2.4 (not enough ypa)
2016, 2, 51, NYJ, Christian Hackenberg, , 1235, 56.1, 6.8, -1.2
2016, 3, 91, NWE, Jacoby Brissett, , 839, 59.5, 6.8, 3.2 (mobile third rounder who need to throw it deeper in the pros)
2016, 3, 93, CLE, Cody Kessler, , 1261, 67.5, 8.2, -2.7 (might take him if its a lower pick but the lack of mobility scares me)
2016, 4, 100, OAK, Connor Cook, , 1170, 57.5, 7.9, 1.2
2016, 4, 135, DAL, Dak Prescott, , 1169, 62.8, 8, 4.7
2016, 4, 139, BUF, Cardale Jones, , 269, 61.7, 8.6, 4
2016, 5, 162, KAN, Kevin Hogan, , 1103, 65.9, 8.5, 4 
2016, 6, 187, WAS, Nate Sudfeld, , 983, 60.3, 8, 1 (not enough mobility for a higher pick but all the ingredients for a low rounder)
2016, 6, 191, DET, Jake Rudock, , 1080, 61.7, 7.3, 2.9 (I question his ypa but for a 6th I'd take a swing)
2016, 6, 201, JAX, Brandon Allen, , 1016, 57.4, 7.3, 1 (His completion percentage with 1000+ attempts seems like its probably not going to get much higher). 
2016, 6, 207, SFO, Jeff Driskel, , 1000, 60.7, 7.4, 3.1 (Like Rudock, I'd take a swing)
2016, 7, 223, MIA, Brandon Doughty, , 1491, 68.6, 8.6, -2.8 (I question his mobility)

 

2017, 1, 2, CHI, Mitchell Trubisky, , 572, 67.5, 8.3, 3.7 (not enough experience, but maybe lower)
2017, 1, 10, KAN, Patrick Mahomes, , 1349, 63.5, 8.3, 2.7
2017, 1, 12, HOU, Deshaun Watson, , 1207, 67.4, 8.4, 4.4
2017, 2, 52, CLE, DeShone Kizer, , 695, 60.7, 8.4, 3.8
2017, 3, 87, NYG, Davis Webb, , 1367, 61.5, 7.2, -1.3
2017, 3, 104, SFO, C.J. Beathard, , 782, 58.1, 7.1, 1.9
2017, 4, 135, PIT, Joshua Dobbs, , 999, 61.5, 7.1, 4.9
2017, 5, 171, BUF, Nathan Peterman, , 662, 60.1, 7.9, 3.1
2017, 6, 215, DET, Brad Kaaya, , 1188, 60.6, 8.4, -4.1
2017, 7, 253, DEN, Chad Kelly, , 803, 63.9, 8.5, 4.7

 

This is interesting because I think we're seeing some guys with little experience, questionable arm strength, or questionable mobility or a combination of these things. Dobbs, Webb and Kelly had the highest completion percentags as well as mobility so that's why I'd draft them. But I could see Beathard Peterman, Webb and Kaaya all being drafted but I wouldn't  fight for them. 
 

2018, 1, 1, CLE, Baker Mayfield, , 1497, 68.5, 9.8, 2.7
2018, 1, 3, NYJ, Sam Darnold, , 846, 64.9, 8.5, 2.4
2018, 1, 7, BUF, Josh Allen, , 649, 56.2, 7.8, 3.2 (I can see why he went here but he's inaccurate). 
2018, 1, 10, ARI, Josh Rosen, , 1170, 60.9, 8, -1.4 (not mobile enough)
2018, 1, 32, BAL, Lamar Jackson, , 1086, 57, 8.3, 6.3 (even the stats show special but raise questions. This is about where I'd probably take him because he is missing the comp% but hits ypa and ypc so well that its worth a gamble)
2018, 3, 76, PIT, Mason Rudolph, , 1447, 63.2, 9.4, 0.1
2018, 4, 108, NYG, Kyle Lauletta, , , , ,  (no stats)
2018, 5, 171, DAL, Mike White, , 1393, 62, 8.1, -3.5
2018, 6, 199, TEN, Luke Falk, , 2054, 68.3, 7.1, -1.6
2018, 6, 203, JAX, Tanner Lee, , 1040, 55.2, 6.5, -4.3
2018, 7, 219, NWE, Danny Etling, , 973, 57.9, 7.3, 0.3
2018, 7, 220, SEA, Alex McGough, , 1335, 60.4, 6.8, 1.7
2018, 7, 249, CIN, Logan Woodside, , 1166, 65.1, 9, 0.6

 

This is interesting because none of the lower round QBs had mobility. And I'm not sure how to read the negative rushing stats for a QB (does that mean sacks) but it seems like some of these guys would be statues in the pocket. 

 

2019, 1, 1, ARI, Kyler Murray, , 519, 67.4, 10.4, 7.1 (like Lamar, you can see the stuff in the numbers but unlike Lamar he doesn't have the experiecne. But he does have the accuracy. I could see the argument for the pick just based on his mobility being such a game changer)
2019, 1, 6, NYG, Daniel Jones, , 1275, 59.9, 6.4, 3.3 (YPC is too low)
2019, 1, 15, WAS, Dwayne Haskins, , 590, 70, 9.1, 1.9
2019, 2, 42, DEN, Drew Lock, , 1553, 56.9, 7.9, 2.2
2019, 3, 100, CAR, Will Grier, , 945, 65.7, 9.1, 1
2019, 4, 104, CIN, Ryan Finley, , 1461, 64.2, 7.6, 1.8
2019, 4, 133, NWE, Jarrett Stidham, , 848, 64.3, 8.5, 1.1
2019, 5, 166, LAC, Easton Stick, , , , ,  (no stats)
2019, 5, 167, PHI, Clayton Thorson, , 1696, 58.4, 6.3, 1.1
2019, 6, 178, JAX, Gardner Minshew II, , 1168, 65.2, 7.1, 0.4
2019, 6, 197, BAL, Trace McSorley, , 1215, 59.3, 8.1, 3.6

 

Grier, Finley, Stidham and Minshew all look like respectable picks, but their lack of mobility means they would be dependent on an OL. McSorely 

2020, 1, 1, CIN, Joe Burrow, , 945, 68.8, 9.4, 3.2
2020, 1, 5, MIA, Tua Tagovailoa, , 684, 69.3, 10.9, 3.2 
2020, 1, 6, LAC, Justin Herbert, , 1293, 64, 8.2, 2.4
2020, 1, 26, GNB, Jordan Love, , 1125, 61.2, 7.6, 2.4
2020, 2, 53, PHI, Jalen Hurts, , 1047, 65.1, 9.1, 5.3
2020, 4, 122, IND, Jacob Eason, , 782, 59.8, 7.1, -1.5
2020, 4, 125, NYJ, James Morgan, , 1221, 57.2, 7.1, -1.3
2020, 5, 167, BUF, Jake Fromm, , 982, 63.2, 8.4, 0.3
2020, 6, 189, JAX, Jake Luton, , 797, 62.2, 7.1, -1.1
2020, 7, 224, TEN, Cole McDonald, , 1004, 61.4, 8, 3.5
2020, 7, 231, DAL, Ben DiNucci, , 167, 54.5, 6.6, 2.5
2020, 7, 240, NOR, Tommy Stevens, , 202, 59.9, 7.2, 5.6
2020, 7, 244, MIN, Nate Stanley, , 1155, 58.3, 7.2, -0.6

 

2021, Trevor Lawrence, , 1138, 66.6, 8.9, 4.1
2021, Zach Wilson, , 837, 67.6, 9.1, 3
2021, Justin Fields, , 618, 68.4, 9.2, 4.4
2021, Trey Lance, , 288, 67, 9.7, 6.7

 

2021, Kellen Mond, 1358, 59, 7.1, 3.7
2021, Mac Jones, 556, 74.3, 11, 0.8
2021, Kyle Trask, 813, 67.9, 9.1, 0.4
2021, Jamie Newman, 506, 60.5, 7.8, 3.4

 

Looking into 2021 and we have 4 potential non first rounders. I don't like Jones and Newman because of their experience. Other guys who have had questionable experience and succeeded had another quality that was off the charts (Murray with his ypc). Newman is similar to Allen on about 150 fewer attempts, but with a higher completion percentage so I could see going there 2 or later. Mond is like Jordan Love or Daniel Jones in terms of YPC but with more mobility. 

 

How accurate is this? I think I'm too strict on mobility because I would exclude a Kirk Cousins as a late round gem and I probably need to do more to include TDs and INTs, but so many of the QBs drafted late just don't pass a simple test as this that I'm sure that even if we dropped the question of mobility, and looked for a late round guy who is a 2+ year starter with a 60+ % completion percentage it becomes a much different thing. 

[wit33]

No getting around the consistent pattern of TOs with Darnold. The fumble sack is the absolute worst and he does it often and as @Skinsinparadisecontinues lament it’s a pattern that goes all the way back to college. 
 

The player to player comparisons are mostly meaningless, but fun this time of year lol So, I’ll go ahead compare him to Steve Young  

[Skinsinparadise]

Not that I want Big Ben but interesting

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

The player to player comparisons are mostly meaningless, but fun this time of year lol So, I’ll go ahead compare him to Steve Young  

 

I'd go for that Young without the speed or accuracy or ability to avoid many turnovers.  

Edited February 9, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Lovi]

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Not that I want Big Ben but interesting

 

 

I think there's a better chance he retires.  He's flirted with it for a few years now anyway.

[NoCalMike]

I don't see why Darnold would be a good option at this time.  At the least you are taking a risk based on perceived upside.  I don't see anything he has shown to suggest he is the next "insert top QB here" just waiting for a change of scenery to show the world.  

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, Lovi said:

 

I think there's a better chance he retires.  He's flirted with it for a few years now anyway.

 

I belive he already said he's not retiring this season.  Maybe he feels its Steelers or no one?  I don't know. 

[kingdaddy]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I belive he already said he's not retiring this season.  Maybe he feels its Steelers or no one?  I don't know. 

Ben had to be impressed with our defense...bring him in and let him compete with Heiny. One year deal with incentives.

44 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Jesus ****.  If we get Darnold, I'm going to have to consider turning in the fan card.  Probably won't because I've made it this far and Darnold wouldn't be the worst thing that's transpired since I've been watching this team but....****, I don't want him.

Good decision, I like how you quickly talked yourself out of that. Things are about to get good around here again....Darnold or no Darnold. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

6 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

 

Good decision, I like how you quickly talked yourself out of that. Things are about to get good around here again....Darnold or no Darnold. 

 

I'm not sure how old you are or for how long you've been following this team but I've had this thought too many times to count over the years.  While this is probably the rosiest outlook that I've had for awhile, Snyder is still the owner and these are still the Redskins this is still the WFT.

[Warhead36]

I can't believe people are actually trying to argue for Sam Darnold. He is BAD. Like, Dwayne Haskins level bad.

[Riggo#44]

Sam Darnold is emblematic of a problem this team has faced for the decades under Snyder: change for change's sake. Darnold, like many others here, are not an improvement over what is currently in house. They're just more expensive.