NoCalMike

Haha sort of? I think for me it is just that with everything I have seen from this franchise (and others) as far as trying to find a franchise QB it makes me not even want to consider the idea that we have one here until they hit their third season because I have seen plenty of short-term success in the past that hasn't ended up being anything over the long term. I think the modern NFL more than any other era is better suited for young QB's to come in and have success early, not necessarily by shouldering the offense themselves, but the rules, the way the game is played, the types of offense, and GM's building rosters around them early in their careers. I think we are going to see a lot of young QBs have a certain level of success early for a lot of reasons and they will be crowned by the media and their fanbases, but then their development will stagnate and most will fall back to the pack or worse over course of the following few seasons. I just hope we pick the right QB.

The hit rate on QB's coming out of college that end up being long term Top 10 level franchise QBs is low enough that it is a lot easier predicting them to fail ahead of time then putting yourself out there to say they will succeed. The fact is that the QB position is so hard to accurately evaluate what will transfer from college to the NFL because it often takes more than the skills they displayed on tape in college. There is a developmental and maturation process aspect to the QB position that mostly can't be evaluated before you actually see them play for a season or two in the NFL.

As it pertains to "running QB's" coming out of college, (and I put that in quotation marks purposely because I don't believe in the modern era of the NFL that you necessarily have to choose between skill sets when drafting if it is the *right* QB you are selecting but I also still feel that some QBs are picked specifically because of the dual threat factor.) I tend to look & value more the traits like athleticism, escapability, able to make throws when flushed out of the pocket, pocket presence, avoiding sacks using mobility to buy the extra second or two etc etc....way over the raw ability to run with the football for a lot of yards. I feel the former are attributes that make a QB better over a longer period of time and the later is something that I would consider a bonus feature but also one that could tend to bring the long term ceiling of a QB down if they also can't help themselves from avoiding the extra contact. I know in the NFL injuries happen for every reason imaginable, but a QB with all the former attributes I listed could see them all disappear if there tends to be an over reliance on bailing on plays to run the ball (designed or not).

I feel like Daniels or Maye would be justifiable picks and each guy will come with their strengths & weaknesses. Both will need to be developed in different areas and it is still going to be very dependent on getting that roster built around them in order to expect early success.

We haven't even seen one down of football post-Adam Peters hiring, yet it is so apparent what a single offseason means when you have proper football people in charge. I am pretty energized and reinvigorated as a fan of the franchise but at the same time so frustrated and how quick 20+ years of the football equivalent of the twilight zone infected this once pround franchise. I was 19 when Snyder bought the team and will be 44 by the time this season kicks off.

Hard to predict anything for 2024 yet since we don't know the make up of the roster, but I am pretty sure that without a major overhaul, and at least 75% of the draft picks hitting from Day 1, it is doubtful the playoffs are in play for next season, and I am not even frustrated about as it feels like we have an organization in place finally to build a really good time the right way, but that doesn't mean the winning is going to start in the first season of the new regime. I am probably going into 2024 without looking at the W/L record and more about the make up of the team and them trying to establish an identity/.

Predicting what QB's will or won't succeed in the NFL is extremely tough because there is just such a difference in the college game and NFL game. I also think that the first 2-3 seasons of a QB's career can really make or break them depending on the organization, coaches, roster, etc etc......I think we see cases of QB's with a lot of talent get drafted into terrible situations that don't do a lot to benefit their development and by their third season they are already so behind the curve. Sometimes it is that the QB turns out to just not be that good, but I think other times the environment of their early NFL career absolutely failed to foster success.

I think for me the main reason Gibbs isn't mentioned (by some) as an all time great in the top tier of head coaches is the reason he should actually be put there.....because Gibbs won a Superbowl with 3 different versions of a championship team. When you look at the Walsh, Belichick, Noll, etc etc etc.....the main difference is that they either had a bonified HOF Franchise QB for the entire run and/or pretty much the same dominant roster the entire run. Belichick is the exception on the roster as a whole, but Tom Brady was there the entire run and look at what Bill has managed to accomplish without Tom Brady prior and post Brady...... To me Gibbs (and his coaching staff) truly felt like the difference makers on those championshop teams. Perhaps the '91 team was so stacked and primed for a run that it might have been a little easier on Gibbs but definitely the first two superbowls did not feel like they necessarily had the best roster in the NFL but Gibbs was able to game plan and scheme to counter the strengths of their opponents so well and it wasn't like the modern day version where you look for the opponents weaknesses necessarily, it was more attacking their strengths by giving them looks and formations they couldn't deal with. I remember so many experts thought the Orange Crush defense would bottle up Washington's offense, so Gibbs used a lot of presnap motion to force those linebackers to have to over think everything instead of just read & react. It was truly coaching excellence on display.

The complete opposite of whatever culture was going on under Snyder?

Funny thing is I wouldn't even take it as an endorsement of Howell as the long term solution if they decided not to draft a QB, only that they don't view the top choices as long term options either. Like I said, if Peters and his team think one of the QBs available can be that guy eventually, sure draft the guy, but #2 is way to high a pick to pass up elite talent in favor of someone you think might turn into something eventually. I also understand that it would be the case regardless of who you draft, but I think missing on a QB that high is bigger detriment than any other position because in most cases elite skill position players start to impose their will immediately where as a lot of elite QB's will look up and down their rookie year. I just think Peter's track record suggests that he sees building a solid roster, then dropping a QB into the mix afterwards as a valid option.

Mahommes is too damn good to expect to draft "a Mahommes" I don't even think the Chiefs knew when they drafted Mahommes that he'd be Mahommes like this.....you can try to look for similar qualities and attributes, especially how they might fit the offense you plan to run, but I wouldn't approach the draft assuming any QB you select is going to turn into a QB of that level. The best approach is (if they even plan on taking a QB) is do your due dilligence to where you draft who you think the best player is but also if you don't feel any available options justify being taken at #2 then don't feel pressured by the moment and go a different direction and take a player you think will be elite or make a trade and get a bounty.

Purdy doesn't look that much different than Jimmy G did in that offense overall, but I do also think the 49ers have a better roster for Shanahan's offense now than they did during the Jimmy G years. The Deebo Samuel/CMC 1-2 punch is just a lot for defenses to handle, which doesn't even include Kittle who can often be uncoverable in the middle of the field. That isn't an insult or compliment to either one necessarily, but we saw what Jimmy G looked like as soon as he left that system and roster. I think the big difference in the last month or so is that the 49ers defense isn't showing out against some of these good offenses the way they were earlier in the season so you are seeing the 49ers look normal rather than several levels above the competition the way they had in the past. Purdy threw a good number of pretty terrible passes, not just routine incompletions, but pretty bad turnover-worthy passes that the Lions defenders just couldn't come down with. The big thing I do give Purdy credit for is his mental game. He never lets the bad stuff get to him. He might only have one quarter of good play during some games, but it is usually in clutch situations. I still don't put him anywhere close to a Top 10 QB overall, but I think you can win with him more than not, but by that same token I am not building a franchise around him. I think if Purdy has a similar 2.5 Quarters against the Chiefs as he did against the Packers & the Lions, then the Chiefs are going to put enough cushion on that game where a good 4th quarter isn't going to be enough. The Packers I sort of get because Jordan Love is super young and inexperienced, but the Lions absolutely folded today. As soon as the 49ers stopped tripping all over themselves and actually made it a competitive game, the Lions just froze under the spotlights. The Lions WRs dropped so many passes late in the game that would have been difference makers.

Yeah I feel like there are certain bulletin board generic things that are fed to the play by play guys going into the game, like let's say a specific player who hasn't been mentioned the entire game makes a good or bad play and the commentators need to say something about them, they probably have a checklist sheet. That and, a lot of players are talked about based on outdated information. For any commentator to refer to Chase Young as a premier Dlineman in the NFL currently, hasn't been paying attention to his play this season. Hell, even 49ers fans around here have admitted for the last month or so they got fleeced.

Despite the flaws I feel Kirk Cousins has in his game, let's face it, the 49ers went to a Superbowl with Jimmy G, and now back to back NFC Championships (potential for a SB win) with Brock Purdy. Let's not act like Cousins with that roster couldn't at least do the same thing. EDIT: I forgot to hit the reply button, this was obviously a reply to some of the Cousins to SF chatter a few pages back.

I think 20 years ago GM's were often having to choose between a traditional pocket QB and an athlete that they felt they could coach into being a QB eventually, but that is no longer the case and if you are picking a QB as high as #2 the standard should no longer be having to choose one skill set over the other as QB's are coming out of college with the ability to do both things naturally. I don't watch enough college to even assess all the QB's but I keep hearing from a lot of people that there is Caleb....and then everyone else, and I know that there is no QB regardless of potential that comes out of college a finished NFL product, but I don't want to settle for a QB at #2 that the front office and coaches feel is a "project" If you are taking the leap at QB that high up in the draft it better be because you feel that QB has what it takes to lead a franchise in a season or two.