Anselmheifer Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Am I the only one that thinks Pat Freiermuth doesn’t look that big? I’d be curious to see some official measurements. To my eye, on the field, he looks nothing like the imposing physique of Gronkowski, for instance. He just looks like a guy with pretty good size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If we have an option to choose between Brevin Jordan or Tommy Tremble and we choose Tremble, I'm going to be disappointed. Is a good and a committed blocker? Absolutely, he's probably the best blocking TE in the draft. Do you take a player like him in the 2nd or 3rd round? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: Am I the only one that thinks Pat Freiermuth doesn’t look that big? I’d be curious to see some official measurements. To my eye, on the field, he looks nothing like the imposing physique of Gronkowski, for instance. He just looks like a guy with pretty good size. He looks big to me. But doesn't hit me as a passing weapon like Gronk or someone who plays with his level of gusto. I like Freiermuth from what I saw. He's definitely more of a complete player than Jordan is. But I am in the minority in that I like Jordan over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Burgundy Yoda said: If we have an option to choose between Brevin Jordan or Tommy Tremble and we choose Tremble, I'm going to be disappointed. Is a good and a committed blocker? Absolutely, he's probably the best blocking TE in the draft. Do you take a player like him in the 2nd or 3rd round? Hell no. You do IMO if he's a special athlete for the spot. Maybe not the 2nd round but IMO the third. As for whether he's a special athlete or not. His pro day is about to tell. It's a different story from Terry but what there is in common with it is this: context matters. I recall some arguing with me right through draft day against Terry citing his lack of production. I argued back then considering context his production wasn't bad and showed promise and his measures and intangibles were outstanding. I don't know yet about Tremble's measurables/intangibles. But as far as production goes -- over 200 yards, and the best contested catch rate (a sick 80%) this year according to PFF among TEs is a good sign considering he wasn't featured in that offense. He looks like he can move and has above average agility for the TE spot. For the TE spot measurables mean a great deal. So for Tremble I think it depends on his pro day. if its pedestrian I think he drops and justifably so. If he does really well, I'd bet teams will be intrigued and justifably so. I usually if anything enjoy going against the grain from mock drafters on players. But I am with Brugler, Miller, Jeremiah and the PFF draft guys on Tremble by agreeing with their thinking that he will be a better pro than college player. With a key caveat, I want to see his pro day numbers before fully buying in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/2021-nfl-draft-virginia-tech-cb-caleb-farley-to-undergo-back-procedure-miss-pro-day-203625238.html Farley will miss pro day with back procedure. He is absolutely going to slide now, possibly to 19 or further. Always need CBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 It would be nice to have a TE that can block. We haven't had one since, what Cooley? I feel like one of the reasons we haven't had a real good and consistent run game is because we haven't had good blocking TEs. The best TEs in the league block as well as they can catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 44 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: It would be nice to have a TE that can block. We haven't had one since, what Cooley? Logan Thomas had a great game against Pittsburgh. This was one of his best plays. (Mark Bullock/Twitter) : washingtonNFL (reddit.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Burgundy Yoda said: If we have an option to choose between Brevin Jordan or Tommy Tremble and we choose Tremble, I'm going to be disappointed. Is a good and a committed blocker? Absolutely, he's probably the best blocking TE in the draft. Do you take a player like him in the 2nd or 3rd round? Hell no. This is one of the areas I disagree with most of ES. Skinsinparadise is the only other Tremble advocate here I can think of. Tremble is, in my opinion, absolutely a Day 2 pick. If someone took him Round 4, that'd be highway robbery. I think it's more likely than not he goes in Round 2, and he should definitely be going at the latest, in the 3rd. I'll be upset with the NFL as a whole if he makes it to Day 3, unless there's off-field issues we don't know about. Jordan would be a decent addition, but I don't think he's got Round 2 value. He's kind of like a poor man's mid-30's Vernon Davis. We could make use of him as long as there's a better overall TE1, such as Logan Thomas. But I don't think his route running skills are nearly as fleshed out as people here claim, and he doesn't have quite the long speed an aging Vernon did. P.S. Tremble is the Antonio Gibson of this class. Barely any touches in college, but his film is just bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DWinzit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 59 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: This is one of the areas I disagree with most of ES. Skinsinparadise is the only other Tremble advocate here I can think of. Tremble is, in my opinion, absolutely a Day 2 pick. I think most here looked at him as a 4th or 5th and have move him to a 3rd rounder. Brevin and Freier will be gone by no later that 51. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, HigSkin said: First option was bringing in a long term answer vet. They missed at Stafford, Carr, and Mariota Second option was drafting one of the top 4 or maybe 5. It appears that would be too costly. Third option and make a lot of sense, bring in a day two guy that fits aka Mills, Newman, Mond......Trask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, seantaylor=god said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/2021-nfl-draft-virginia-tech-cb-caleb-farley-to-undergo-back-procedure-miss-pro-day-203625238.html Farley will miss pro day with back procedure. He is absolutely going to slide now, possibly to 19 or further. Always need CBs... To me, this knocks him out of the first. He’s had 2 back surgeries and an ACL surgery in the last 3 years? He’s more of an injury risk than Derwin James was, isn’t going to be healthy heading into OTA’s, and didn’t play football this year. He should see a steep drop. He might be off my board until the 3rd. Lots of guys I’d rather take a chance on in the second, factoring in health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: To me, this knocks him out of the first. He’s had 2 back surgeries and an ACL surgery in the last 3 years? He’s more of an injury risk than Derwin James was, isn’t going to be healthy heading into OTA’s, and didn’t play football this year. He should see a steep drop. He might be off my board until the 3rd. Lots of guys I’d rather take a chance on in the second, factoring in health. Agree completely. I am not picking him in the top 2 rounds now. I feel bad for him. Because he is an amazing player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 If they don't pick up a TE before the draft, I feel pretty confident that they are taking a TE at 51. Keim has said a few times they like a few TEs in the draft. If you are planning on someone being your #2 TE from the start and a potential starter the following season (given Logan Thomas's impending free agent status), that means Day 2 at the latest. At 51, there is a high probability one of Freiermuth, Jordan and Tremble will be there. Remember too that Pete Hoener is one of the best TE coaches in the game and I'm sure Ron and Scott have full confidence in him to coach up a raw player like Tremble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: Mock draft simulators are so ridiculous. I was messing around with one, the Patriots took Mond and Mills 2 picks apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: I was messing around with one, the Patriots took Mond and Mills 2 picks apart. People are like "I traded back 9 times and settled for Pitts, Wilson and Fields in the first". Reminds me of house hunters "He trains 19th generation biscone poodles from germany, she studies a rock that turns orange. They have a combined budget of 11 million". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, seantaylor=god said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/2021-nfl-draft-virginia-tech-cb-caleb-farley-to-undergo-back-procedure-miss-pro-day-203625238.html Farley will miss pro day with back procedure. He is absolutely going to slide now, possibly to 19 or further. Always need CBs... Plus it doesn't help that he opted out last year either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 11 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Jamin Davis, Jabril Cox, and Joseph Assai second round worthy, third round value on Davis and Cox I had viewed Ossai as an edge guy. Do you believe he can play a role similar to how Zaven would be used by WFT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 7 hours ago, UKskins said: Named my cat after him as I thought he would make it. Mistake. We had an Alfred (looks like a Butler with a bat mask...). Then We got a 2nd after RGIII and Alfred Morris rookie years. Our Griffin and Alfred have lasted much longer. Mistakes we make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsinparadise Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: This is one of the areas I disagree with most of ES. Skinsinparadise is the only other Tremble advocate here I can think of. Tremble is, in my opinion, absolutely a Day 2 pick. If someone took him Round 4, that'd be highway robbery. I think it's more likely than not he goes in Round 2, and he should definitely be going at the latest, in the 3rd. I'll be upset with the NFL as a whole if he makes it to Day 3, unless there's off-field issues we don't know about. I think he can go in the late 2nd-early 3rd depending though on his pro day. 5 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: Jordan would be a decent addition, but I don't think he's got Round 2 value. He's kind of like a poor man's mid-30's Vernon Davis. We could make use of him as long as there's a better overall TE1, such as Logan Thomas. But I don't think his route running skills are nearly as fleshed out as people here claim, and he doesn't have quite the long speed an aging V You were on such a roll with Tremble but then stumble here on Jordan. Just kidding. To each their own. I don't really see Vernon Davis as analogous to Brevin Jordan. They are different types of cats. I think the draft geek who compared Jordan to Jonnu Smith was on the money. Davis was an amazing athletic freak who at his best big time stretched the field. Jordan is a specialist in the flat and a YAC guy. Different build. Different style of TE. 5 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: P.S. Tremble is the Antonio Gibson of this class. Barely any touches in college, but his film is just bonkers. Antonio was one of my guys last year before the draft. Sometimes you have to extrapolate or try to do so based on a small sample. Gibson was a big play-TD machine and his athleticism seemed obvious. I think Tremble's athleticism jumps too -- my only caveat to that is sometimes TE's measurables can surprise more than most positions and in a good or bad way. So I am super curious to see Tremble's pro day. Antonion Gibson's 4.39 40 -- somewhat confirmed the perceived explosiveness. Tremble is a different cat -- different drill but he looks athletic to me for a TE. Will see though if that's really the case very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 hours ago, DWinzit said: First option was bringing in a long term answer vet. They missed at Stafford, Carr, and Mariota Second option was drafting one of the top 4 or maybe 5. It appears that would be too costly. Third option and make a lot of sense, bring in a day two guy that fits aka Mills, Newman, Mond......Trask To me it's Mond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 If everyone can realistically pick 5 guys they'd love to see the team draft, who would you pick? I'm not talking about like the top 5 players, but guys throughout you would love to see them grab. I'd go: Nico Collins WR Brevin Thomas TE Monty Rice LB Ben Cleveland G Paris Ford FS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: If everyone can realistically pick 5 guys they'd love to see the team draft, who would you pick? I'm not talking about like the top 5 players, but guys throughout you would love to see them grab. I'd go: Nico Collins WR Brevin Thomas TE Monty Rice LB Ben Cleveland G Paris Ford FS I'm developing an unhealthy mancrush on Collins. I have to keep myself from thinking he can approach the level of DK. But I really like him as a 4th or 5th round guy especially now that we have Samuel. I think he's got a lot of potential that was wasted at Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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