seantaylor=god Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: So we have to select from: Najee Batemon Farley Barmore Alijah Vera Tucker Cosmi Moering Mayfield Jenkins Bolton Melifonwu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I know people haven’t written a lot about AVT but I think we could do a whole lot worse. We would have preseason/ camp to figure out whether we try him at LT or plug him in at RG. Then, we have flexibility if Scherrf refuses to sign a LTD. 2022 he slides in at LG (assuming he didn’t win the LT spot, which he might) and we let Scherrf walk and likely pick up a comp pick. And if we do sign Scherrf, our Oline is positively stacked, one of the most athletic in the league, especially if Saadiq Charles ends up being a player at LT or RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said: 52 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: Najee Batemon Farley Barmore Alijah Vera Tucker Cosmi Moering Mayfield Jenkins Bolton Melifonwu Expand see that’s why for me it’s a little tough. In that scenario I think there are 3 that stand out as the BPA and that’s Najee, Batemon, and Farley based on Talent, Production, and Upside. There is the whole you don’t draft an RB in the first argument. WR is loaded why would you take one this high, and Farley sat out last year and injury concerns. Since positional value of LT is so high I can see the argument for Cosmi, but not the one for he’s the BPA. AVT imo is a better player than Cosmi, but is more suited at G. Is a G in round 1, for us this year, a home run? Idk. Wonder which way the FO will go. OL is always safer and prob has a higher hit rate than WR. But in The spirit of BPA I think my pick would be Rashod Batemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: see that’s why for me it’s a little tough. In that scenario I think there are 3 that stand out as the BPA and that’s Najee, Batemon, and Farley based on Talent, Production, and Upside. There is the whole you don’t draft an RB in the first argument. WR is loaded why would you take one this high, and Farley sat out last year and injury concerns. Since positional value of LT is so high I can see the argument for Cosmi, but not the one for he’s the BPA. AVT imo is a better player than Cosmi, but is more suited at G. Is a G in round 1, for us this year, a home run? Idk. Wonder which way the FO will go. OL is always safer and prob has a higher hit rate than WR. But in The spirit of BPA I think my pick would be Rashod Batemon. I like the thought process. If I had to pick between that list I’d pick Farley because he has a ridiculous upside. I think we could bring him along slowly also, as we have pretty decent depth at CB right now. A year from now, he could be starting as our CB2 with Fuller playing slot. However, of the list I think he’s the most likely to be gone. I’m of the mindset to draft a RB almost every year but never in the first, and also to never pay a RB big money. In particular, I think Najee would be wasted in our offense. I think he’s a fantastic player though, and if we picked him I think we could do a lot of cool stuff and really punish teams with our ground game (and keep Gibson healthy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said: I think we could bring him along slowly also, as we have pretty decent depth at CB right now We have no depth at corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, seantaylor=god said: I know people haven’t written a lot about AVT but I think we could do a whole lot worse. We would have preseason/ camp to figure out whether we try him at LT or plug him in at RG. Then, we have flexibility if Scherrf refuses to sign a LTD. 2022 he slides in at LG (assuming he didn’t win the LT spot, which he might) and we let Scherrf walk and likely pick up a comp pick. And if we do sign Scherrf, our Oline is positively stacked, one of the most athletic in the league, especially if Saadiq Charles ends up being a player at LT or RT. AVT would be a terrible pick. No more guards in round 1 please. I get that you are saying you want to try him at LT first to see if he makes it there but, if getting a LT is the goal, I don't know why you wouldn't take someone like Eichenberg who has better traits to play the position at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 The draft, as important as it is, just amounts to a crap shoot with the exception of the very few no brainer talents available. So the guru analysis is even less accurate following season with far less competition then ever before via Covid. Debating is reduced to praying while in a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, PartyPosse said: How long does it take to scout a LS. 6 minutes? Our last two ended up being the longest tenured players on the roster, so lets pump the brakes a minute. This is serious business. 1 hour ago, PartyPosse said: We have no depth at corner. Got lots of back ups. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Our last two ended up being the longest tenured players on the roster, so lets pump the brakes a minute. This is serious business. Got lots of back ups. lol "Hey you. Lemme see you snap the ball 10 yards. Perfect! How would you like to join the Football team??" Do we even have back-ups? Who am I missing outside of Stroman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, PartyPosse said: "Hey you. Lemme see you snap the ball 10 yards. Perfect! How would you like to join the Football team??" Do we even have back-ups? Who am I missing outside of Stroman? Re-signed Danny Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: "Hey you. Lemme see you snap the ball 10 yards. Perfect! How would you like to join the Football team??" Do we even have back-ups? Who am I missing outside of Stroman? Danny Johnson and Moreland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Danny Johnson and Moreland I don't know if Moreland is much of a back-up outside. He's purely a slot corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: I don't know if Moreland is much of a back-up outside. He's purely a slot corner. just a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chump Bailey Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: Just wondering peoples thoughts on Cosmi. Cosmi is not a flawless prospect by any means, but IMO he does check off the vast majority of boxes teams are looking for and the Isaiah Wilson drama will only reinforce those fears/needs. Cosmi's football acumen and work ethic are reportedly great. He's not the kind of guy that's going to miss meetings and the like. Cosmi's upside is also tremendous IMO. I'm not locked into Cosmi by any means with the exception of LB and even JOK as good as he is. I'd go Cosmi there. But, I'd take Waddle and Bateman over Cosmi. I just could not resist the temptation of having either one on the field together with Scary Terry and Curtis. I happen to like Missouri OT Larry Borom a lot too and he may go undrafted so take my words with a huge grain of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 A lot of buzz about Miami and Najee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Alaric Jackson is the underrated OL I would take a serious look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 16 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: So we have to select from: Najee Batemon Farley Barmore Alijah Vera Tucker Cosmi Moering Mayfield Jenkins Bolton Melifonwu I believe they bring in a FS before the draft. I think they take Zaven or JOK if available. There are too many WR's available to take one at 19. I say they go OL. AVT is my top graded of the group but I might go T with Cosmi or Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 4:52 PM, DWinzit said: @stevemcqueen1, I am down with many of your thoughts. Really big on Darrisaw and Cosmi. I do get confused some by your thoughts on our current LB and TE status. I find both to higher in priority. Wondering if you could share your thoughts on how you would handle both positions. I do recall you suggesting at one point for LB you would take McGrone in the 4th. Would he be the only move to improve the LB's? For TE in the draft, Freirmuth and Jordan are second round worthy, third round value. Yeboah 4th round worthy, fifth round value. Possibly Tremble too due to age/speed. Kylen Branson 5th round worthy, sixth round value. Tre McKitty, Hunter Long, Quintin Morris sixth round worthy. Noah Gray, Tony Poljan, Cary Angeline, John Bates seventh round worthy. Might change some of that around after the prodays are done though. If Tremble runs a low 4.5 or something crazy like that then I'll have to move him up. For LBer I would also only pick one as BPA unless I had such a good first two days that I'm saturated at the BPA positions on day three. Parsons off of draft board Collins and JOK first round worthy, second round value for chasing it with JOK Jamin Davis, Jabril Cox, and Joseph Assai second round worthy, third round value on Davis and Cox McGrone fourth round worthy Surratt, Werner, Bolton, Moses fifth round worthy Browning fifth round worthy, sixth round value Eifler, Britt, and Fisher seventh round worthy Still have a handful of LBers to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 D 6 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: For TE in the draft, Freirmuth and Jordan are second round worthy, third round value. Yeboah 4th round worthy, fifth round value. Possibly Tremble too due to age/speed. Kylen Branson 5th round worthy, sixth round value. Tre McKitty, Hunter Long, Quintin Morris sixth round worthy. Noah Gray, Tony Poljan, Cary Angeline, John Bates seventh round worthy. Might change some of that around after the prodays are done though. If Tremble runs a low 4.5 or something crazy like that then I'll have to move him up. For LBer I would also only pick one as BPA unless I had such a good first two days that I'm saturated at the BPA positions on day three. Parsons off of draft board Collins and JOK first round worthy, second round value for chasing it with JOK Jamin Davis, Jabril Cox, and Joseph Assai second round worthy, third round value on Davis and Cox McGrone fourth round worthy Surratt, Werner, Bolton, Moses fifth round worthy Browning fifth round worthy, sixth round value Eifler, Britt, and Fisher seventh round worthy Still have a handful of LBers to watch. Thanks for the breakdowns! Do you feel a mid rounder for each position cover each for WFT like a Cox or McGrone and Yeboah, Bransen or McKitty in lets say the 3rd and 4th? I feel at TE we might be but not too so comfortable with just a McGrone in the 4th for LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 PFF mock, for a change I did their 2nd and third round. I'd hate it if we took Davis Mills in the 2nd. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-three-round-nfl-mock-draft-zach-wilson-jets-san-francisco-49ers-justin-fields ROUND 2 33. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS — S RICHIE GRANT, UCF 34. NEW YORK JETS — OT DILLON RADUNZ, NORTH DAKOTA STATE 35. ATLANTA FALCONS — EDGE JAELEN PHILLIPS, MIAMI (FLA.) 36. MIAMI DOLPHINS (FROM HOUSTON TEXANS) — RB JAVONTE WILLIAMS, NORTH CAROLINA 37. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES — EDGE RONNIE PERKINS, OKLAHOMA 38. CINCINNATI BENGALS — WR ELIJAH MOORE, OLE MISS 39. CAROLINA PANTHERS — S ELIJAH MOLDEN, WASHINGTON 40. DENVER BRONCOS — CB ASANTE SAMUEL JR., FLORIDA STATE 41. DETROIT LIONS — LB ZAVEN COLLINS, TULSA 42. NEW YORK GIANTS — EDGE JOSEPH OSSAI, TEXAS 43. ATLANTA FALCONS (FROM SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS) — IOL JALEN MAYFIELD, MICHIGAN 44. DALLAS COWBOYS — DT DAVIYON NIXON, IOWA 45. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS (FROM MINNESOTA VIKINGS) — IOL QUINN MEINERZ, WISCONSIN-WHITEWATER 46. DENVER BRONCOS (FROM NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS) — S JEVON HOLLAND, OREGON 47. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS — OT JACKSON CARMAN, CLEMSON 48. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS — OT ALEX LEATHERWOOD, ALABAMA 49. ARIZONA CARDINALS — CB KELVIN JOSEPH, KENTUCKY 50. MIAMI DOLPHINS — WR KADARIUS TONEY, FLORIDA 51. WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM — QB DAVIS MILLS, STANFORD 52. CHICAGO BEARS — WR TUTU ATWELL, LOUISVILLE 53. TENNESSEE TITANS — WR RONDALE MOORE, PURDUE 54. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS — OT LIAM EICHENBERG, NOTRE DAME 55. PITTSBURGH STEELERS — QB KYLE TRASK, FLORIDA 56. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS — IOL CREED HUMPHREY, OKLAHOMA 57. LOS ANGELES RAMS — LB JAMIN DAVIS, KENTUCKY 58. BALTIMORE RAVENS — EDGE JOE TRYON, WASHINGTON 59. CLEVELAND BROWNS — LB JABRIL COX, LSU 60. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS — TE PAT FREIERMUTH, PENN STATE 61. BUFFALO BILLS — RB TRAVIS ETIENNE, CLEMSON 62. GREEN BAY PACKERS — EDGE CARLOS BASHAM JR., WAKE FOREST 63. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS — CB TYSON CAMPBELL, GEORGIA 64. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS — ED RASHAD WEAVER, PITTSBURGH ROUND 3 65. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS — CB AARON ROBINSON, UCF 66. NEW YORK JETS — CB IFEATU MELIFONWU, SYRACUSE 67. HOUSTON TEXANS — WR TYLAN WALLACE, OKLAHOMA STATE 68. ATLANTA FALCONS — TE BREVIN JORDAN, MIAMI (FL) 69. CINCINNATI BENGALS — DI MILTON WILLIAMS, LOUISIANA TECH 70. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES — WR DYAMI BROWN, NORTH CAROLINA 71. DENVER BRONCOS — DI ALIM MCNEIL, NORTH CAROLINA STATE 72. DETROIT LIONS — CB ERIC STOKES, GEORGIA 73. CINCINNATI BENGALS (FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS) — OT JAMES HUDSON, CINCINNATI 74. WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM (FROM SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS) — LB NICK BOLTON, MISSOURI 75. DALLAS COWBOYS — S JAMIEN SHERWOOD, AUBURN 76. NEW YORK GIANTS — DI MARVIN WILSON, FLORIDA STATE 77. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS — CB PAULSON ADEBO, STANFORD 78. MINNESOTA VIKINGS — DI LEVI ONWUZURIKE, WASHINGTON 79. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS (FROM ARIZONA CARDINALS) — IOL DEONTE BROWN, ALABAMA 80. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS — DI TYLER SHELVIN, LSU 81. MIAMI DOLPHINS — IOL TREY SMITH, TENNESSEE 82. WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM — OT SPENCER BROWN, NORTHERN IOWA 83. CHICAGO BEARS — QB KELLEN MOND, TEXAS A&M 84. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (FROM INDIANAPOLIS COLTS) — CB ROBERT ROCHELL, CENTRAL ARKANSAS 85. TENNESSEE TITANS — TE HUNTER LONG, BOSTON COLLEGE 86. NEW YORK JETS (FROM SEATTLE SEAHAWKS) — WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, USC 87. PITTSBURGH STEELERS — LB DYLAN MOSES, ALABAMA 88. LOS ANGELES RAMS — IOL KENDRICK GREEN, ILLINOIS 89. CLEVELAND BROWNS — CB SHAKUR BROWN, MICHIGAN STATE 90. MINNESOTA VIKINGS (FROM BALTIMORE RAVENS) — IOL WYATT DAVIS, OHIO STATE 91. CLEVELAND BROWNS (FROM NEW ORLEANS SAINTS) — WR NICO COLLINS, MICHIGAN 92. GREEN BAY PACKERS — DT OSA ODIGHIZUWA, UCLA 93. BUFFALO BILLS — IOL BEN CLEVELAND, GEORGIA 94. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS — ED JOSHUA KAINDOH, FLORIDA STATE 95. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS — DI MARLON TUIPULOTO, USC 96. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— RB MICHAEL CARTER, NORTH CAROLINA 97. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS (COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— OT D’ANTE SMITH, ECU 98. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— S JAMAR JOHNSON, INDIANA 99. DALLAS COWBOYS (COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— ED PAYTON TURNER, HOUSTON 100. TENNESSEE TITANS (COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— OT BRADY CHRISTENSEN, BYU 101. DETROIT LIONS (FROM LOS ANGELES RAMS; COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— S TALANOA HUFANGA, USC 102. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (SPECIAL COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— TE TOMMY TREMBLE, NOTRE DAME 103. LOS ANGELES RAMS (SPECIAL COMPENSATORY SELECTION)– DI TOMMY TOGIAI, OHIO STATE 104. BALTIMORE RAVENS (SPECIAL COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— S ANDRE CISCO, SYRACUSE 105. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (SPECIAL COMPENSATORY SELECTION)— LB BARON BROWNING, OHIO STATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 4:49 AM, UKskins said: Is it because people feel Zaven is a better player, or is it because people assume JOK will be gone at our pick? Upside. Zaven is a unicorn and his upside is unique. There are no 260 pound linebackers in the NFL that can run like him. Josh Allen is the closest athletic comp I can think of, but he is an edge who pretty much settled into a DE role. The king sized linebackers are all thumper types like Bernardrick McKinney. So Zaven, like Kyle Pitts and Najee Harris, is physically superior and as such has super high upside. I'm a big JOK fan too though, but his size limits him in comparison to Zaven. Small linebackers don't tend to go in the first round, even when their film is awesome, as past guys like Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner and Eric Kendricks and Myles Jack all demonstrated. It's a testament to the way the position is changing that JOK is so widely considered a first rounder at his size, although I still think there is a chance he drops to the early second round based on precedent. I like the potential of either one for us. But I also think we can make do with far lesser talents than them at the position. Bostic gave us 9 AV last season. That is ridiculously good production for a small contract journeyman player. We've got a Lamborghini defensive line and coaches who more or less specialize in the position. I think we could teach and develop this position pretty much better than any other and turn fifth rounders like Hudson and Holcomb into good starters. I'd be perfectly fine waiting until round four or five for an unpolished but fast prospect like McGrone or Surratt and getting them into the system to start developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, DWinzit said: Thanks for the breakdowns! Do you feel a mid rounder for each position cover each for WFT like a Cox or McGrone and Yeboah, Bransen or McKitty in lets say the 3rd and 4th? I feel at TE we might be but not too so comfortable with just a McGrone in the 4th for LB. I'd be totally comfortable with drafting McGrone in the 4th and Granson in the fifth and getting no other major additions at either positions beyond min contract types. I'd add that I'm currently seeing Granson projected in the seventh, so he is a potential value option super late. I think buying fair with him is the fifth. Our linebacker situation isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. We ran one of the best defenses in the NFL last year with this same group. We'll be fine running it back, and realistically, Holcomb and Hudson will get better. Our young talent pipeline at LBer is solid. TE is shaker for sure, but the draft is rarely a solution for quick fixes there. Best to get some value prospects into the pipeline and start the development process. That's what a guy like Granson represents to me. I feel very good about our defensive side of the ball. It is absolutely already championship caliber. What I do not feel good about is the offense. Beyond TE, our OL pipeline makes me nervous. They overperformed last season and we did it without any young guys making any positive contributions. Martin and Christian essentially busted and Ismael and Charles gave us nothing. Scherff is on the tag and Moses is aging and our future outlook at the position group could be awful if we don't get better talent in the pipeline. And the skill talent, even after adding Samuel, is still dreadful. All of our receivers after the top two suck. Gibson is nice but not a feature back and McKissic is the definition of replacement level. This group needs a significant infusion of talent for us to field a championship caliber offense. And quarterback is still the elephant in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I must admit while the LB would be upgraded with Hudson, Mayo and McGrone, I question how much. Hudson is still considered a bit of an unknown, McGrone really need a year and Mayo, eh. IMO LB was by far the weak link not only to the D but to the team, even the turmoil and change at QB was better. Bostic had good numbers but often he and Holcombs hits and tackles were late. Their instinct, twitch and speed were underwhelming. If they make no other FA move and do not take a LB in the first I would expect them to use the 2nd on one. No arguments on this team needing another WR, TE and RB along with the OL needing a youthful talent infusion. It has been forever since they took top round OL and seem to have reached and maybe missed on many mid rounders, I still hold hope on Charles and Ismael. The deep WR class should make adding another weapon easy. Most of the board is on the Brevin/Freiermuth bandwagon but that will take hope one survives to 51. I don't see that happening but definitely grabbing one in the mid round is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM: WR/TE, LB, OT Washington entered free agency in dire need of receiving threats. Even with a top-25 receiver in terms of PFF grade on their hands — Terry McLaurin — in 2020, the team as a whole ranked dead last in receiving grade at the wide receiver and tight end positions. They picked up a dynamic WR in Curtis Samuel, who was actually teammates with McLaurin at Ohio State. Samuel had the best season of his NFL career in Joe Brady’s Carolina Panthers offense in 2020, posting a 77.0 PFF grade. He can win underneath, separate against single coverage when given the opportunity and — with the right quarterback — add value vertically with his speed. Still, new quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick could use another pass-catching weapon for his arsenal. The good news is that this draft class is deep at wide receiver. Terrace Marshall Jr., Dyami Brown and Tylan Wallace would all make sense for Washington with their second-round selection. To PFF's point above about WR. Was listening to Keim's last podcast last night. He said that WR still in play in the draft. And he mentioned slot WR could still be in play in the draft because Samuel might be used as a movable chess piece, outside, inside, stacked next Terry, etc. Sounds like they want to get another playmaker at both TE and WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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