Riggo-toni Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The best comparison is when we signed Sam Shade. Our D had been criticized for being soft, and he was a reknown hitter...so we ignored the fact that he stunk in coverage. I hated the signing simply because you should never commit megabucks to the SS position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Terrible in coverage, but that's not his game and everyone knew it when we signed him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 That touchdown pass to Woods was perfect design. The fade with 1 and the post corner with 2 froze Collins. The corners job in cover 2 is to drop with 1 until there’s a threat to the flat. He can be trail technique because he has help behind. So he sees the back and continues his drop eyeballing the threat. In hindsight he could have continued to drop, but he is flat responsible and the back acted as if he was flaring. I would have told the corner that you carry one if he’s vertical and let the backers rally to the underneath throw. Yes, if they hit the back in the flat it’s a sizeable gain, but it’s not 6. the backer to that side drops to his hook/curl responsibility and he carries #2. #2 did a great job in getting behind the backer and selling post before breaking to the corner route, so the backer froze. Apke would have been under the post if it continued, but the receiver planted and broke to the corner. Collins initially had okay position. He made a few glaring errors though. He didn’t stay deeper than the deepest threat, he did a sprint turn and I think the 2 receiver may have been a post corner option... so when he saw Collins frozen and not moving towards one he kept him frozen by running the corner. The CB did continue to carry after a hesitation for the back to the flat but Woods was gone. Apke was a little too flat footed for me, too, because if Collins went over the top to 1 the second receiver would have likely broken skinnier and been open in the middle of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Alexa said: what did they actually see in him on film that says he was worth the money they gave him. A guy who went to three Pro Bowls, was an All-Pro, and NFC Defensive Player of the Year (I think). Not saying he is worth what we signed him but we tend to ruin players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, PartyPosse said: Yeah? How’s that working out for the Chargers? It's worked out wonderfully, on the field. As it pertains to his injuries, I file them largely under "**** happens." Doesn't mean it happens here. Don't recall him being an oft injured player in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyholetsgogrant Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, SAli457180 said: Just another one in a long line that includes Stanley Richard, Dana Stubblefield, Adam Archuleta and Deion among others. You can't throw money at a problem and expect it to be fixed. Norman too 😬 14 minutes ago, dyst said: A guy who went to three Pro Bowls, was an All-Pro, and NFC Defensive Player of the Year (I think). Not saying he is worth what we signed him but we tend to ruin players. Or, they were never that good to begin with and had a better supporting cast. 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, KDawg said: That touchdown pass to Woods was perfect design. Kind of makes me wonder if we should have kept Kevin O'Connell 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Loved the signing. However, I thought his play was over rated last year and this year it’s even worse. That said, I’m that lost with the way this season has played out so far for the team overall that I’ll reserve judgement on him for a few more weeks yet. Yeah this was my take. I liked the signing, by every report he was a good to great player. But just as with Norman's first year here I didn't understand the praise, he was nothing special last year and downright terrible this season. Safety. Seems we have been fielding terrible players at the position forever. I miss Sean Taylor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: Kind of makes me wonder if we should have kept Kevin O'Connell I will say that Dwayne would have looked better the first 4 games building off the continuity from 2019 at the minimum. I was pissed when they replaced him with Turner but I don't think Turner is as bad as some on this board are making him out to be. Outside of yesterday, this offense has moved the ball and put up points despite having the 2rd or 3th worst set of talent on the offensive side of the ball (I would say we only beat out the Jets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: It's worked out wonderfully, on the field. As it pertains to his injuries, I file them largely under "**** happens." Doesn't mean it happens here. Don't recall him being an oft injured player in college. Your point of how we make easy things so damn hard, I’m sure the chargers are saying the same thing about him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, method man said: I will say that Dwayne would have looked better the first 4 games building off the continuity from 2019 at the minimum. I was pissed when they replaced him with Turner but I don't think Turner is as bad as some on this board are making him out to be. Outside of yesterday, this offense has moved the ball and put up points despite having the 2rd or 3th worst set of talent on the offensive side of the ball (I would say we only beat out the Jets) We're the 32nd ranked offense in terms of yardage and 30th in points. Let's not make it out like Turner's working miracles here because we average more points then the Jets and Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, heyholetsgogrant said: Norman too 😬 Or, they were never that good to begin with and had a better supporting cast. 🤷🏻♂️ Whatever the case may be and I’m not disagreeing with you, but he did have accomplishments. He’s played way worse here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Your point of how we make easy things so damn hard, I’m sure the chargers are saying the same thing about him right now. Perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Bust. With all the money he's getting paid, the fact that HE is a BIG part of the miscommunication issues in the secondary is enough to label him one. I miss Nicholson and Swearinger 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probos Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Terrible in coverage, but that's not his game and everyone knew it when we signed him. Exactly -- he was another Dan/Bruce signing using one of their fool proof methods of talent evaluation: - A fan of the team growing up - Raised or played in the local DMV area - Played at Alabama It's working out really well so far! Edited October 12, 2020 by Probos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico926 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, drowland said: We're the 32nd ranked offense in terms of yardage and 30th in points. Let's not make it out like Turner's working miracles here because we average more points then the Jets and Giants. Turner's offense is garbage and Carolina was glad to get rid of him. Look at Carolina's offense now with a real OC compared to Turner's 2nd half 2019 performance. It's night and day. KOC>>Turner. It's evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, KDawg said: That touchdown pass to Woods was perfect design. The fade with 1 and the post corner with 2 froze Collins. The corners job in cover 2 is to drop with 1 until there’s a threat to the flat. He can be trail technique because he has help behind. So he sees the back and continues his drop eyeballing the threat. In hindsight he could have continued to drop, but he is flat responsible and the back acted as if he was flaring. I would have told the corner that you carry one if he’s vertical and let the backers rally to the underneath throw. Yes, if they hit the back in the flat it’s a sizeable gain, but it’s not 6. the backer to that side drops to his hook/curl responsibility and he carries #2. #2 did a great job in getting behind the backer and selling post before breaking to the corner route, so the backer froze. Apke would have been under the post if it continued, but the receiver planted and broke to the corner. Collins initially had okay position. He made a few glaring errors though. He didn’t stay deeper than the deepest threat, he did a sprint turn and I think the 2 receiver may have been a post corner option... so when he saw Collins frozen and not moving towards one he kept him frozen by running the corner. The CB did continue to carry after a hesitation for the back to the flat but Woods was gone. Apke was a little too flat footed for me, too, because if Collins went over the top to 1 the second receiver would have likely broken skinnier and been open in the middle of the field. Everett was in on that play. C'mon man. He dropped down and probably would have been beaten on that post, but that was his route to take and Collins needed to stay with the outside receiver. Only two receivers were running deep, and the offensive weapons are lined up to start on Collins side. He needs to show a better understanding of cover 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Silvernon said: Everett was in on that play. C'mon man. He dropped down and probably would have been beaten on that post, but that was his route to take and Collins needed to stay with the outside receiver. Only two receivers were running deep, and the offensive weapons are lined up to start on Collins side. He needs to show a better understanding of cover 2. Okay. I can't tell who the hell it was. Why does that matter with the analysis part? Replace the Apke's with Everett. Edited October 12, 2020 by KDawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, KDawg said: Okay. I can't tell who the hell it was. Why does that matter with the analysis part? If you're going to break down a play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Silvernon said: If you're going to break down a play... Can you see their numbers from that view? If you'd like I'll start all break downs with position names rather than names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max21 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said: I thought for sure we were gonna get Derwin James. We make easy things so damn hard Straight up, still wish we took him over Payne. I was pretty pissed about that at the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico926 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, KDawg said: Okay. I can't tell who the hell it was. Why does that matter with the analysis part? Cover 2 with two verticals the safety needs to get depth, spilt the difference, key QB eyes with peripheral on receivers and react to the ball. Collins did not get depth (was too sallow by alignment), sort of split the difference but that is a moot point without proper depth, reacted late, and got burned badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, pico926 said: Cover 2 with two verticals the safety needs to get depth, spilt the difference, key QB eyes with peripheral on receivers and react to the ball. Collins did not get depth (was too sallow by alignment), sort of split the difference but that is a moot point without proper depth, reacted late, and got burned badly. Didn't I say that? Quote He didn’t stay deeper than the deepest threat, Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Collins needs a DC willing to scheme him i to his strengths. He can't do everything, but he can do a few things well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 3rd and 4 or more should be Bostic off the field and Collins as the lone backer and someone over the top. Put Collins where his lack of speed isn’t an issue. Eying the QB and backfield playing forward versus backwards is his game in my time watching him. Is this realistic or laymen fan view? Edited October 12, 2020 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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