Welcome to the Redskins Chase Young DE Ohio State

[KillBill26]

28 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Could you imagine if Young is able to add the spin move into his arsenal?  Filthy.

Get Bruce Smith in here to work with him on it. Dude is probably still in great shape.

[kingdaddy]

On 2/20/2020 at 2:32 PM, Riggo#44 said:

 

I like Fabian Moreau. He was the "reason" Boob Allen traded Fuller (albeit very foolishly). I think with a good scheme (basically anything better than the combination of Barry and Manusky come up with) he could be good. I want to see the athletic talents of Payne, Allen, Sweat, Young, Ionniadis put to good use for a change.

I like Moreau and Dunbar, Moreland too....I would draft Young, extend Dunbar then focus on adding impact LB's and a safety, unless this new staff likes the kids we have and can coach em up. 

[Darth Tater]

How is a potential elite ever a luxury pick?  Only way I can think of is if you already have an elite, relatively young player at the same position.  I guess if that player in question is a kicker or a punter or a mid to late round specialist (like a top return guy when you have not addressed other needs). A player who is elite is not just a good player or even just a playmaker, he is a play creator! Remember, with the exception of Sean Taylor and a new coaching staff, our 2004 defense was, talent-wise, mostly made up of downgrades and horizontal moves from the 2003 defense (which would make our 2019 defense look good by comparison).

[skinny21]

18 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

How is a potential elite ever a luxury pick?  Only way I can think of is if you already have an elite, relatively young player at the same position.  I guess if that player in question is a kicker or a punter or a mid to late round specialist (like a top return guy when you have not addressed other needs). A player who is elite is not just a good player or even just a playmaker, he is a play creator! Remember, with the exception of Sean Taylor and a new coaching staff, our 2004 defense was, talent-wise, mostly made up of downgrades and horizontal moves from the 2003 defense (which would make our 2019 defense look good by comparison).

Total guess on my part, but I‘d think they mean it’s a luxury to draft Young when your roster is in such poor shape and you have a chance to turn this around with multiple picks gained.  Even moreso given our pass rush stats.  
 

With that said, we can absolutely use a stud pass rusher, the pass rush stats are a bit misleading, and the roster has a lot of issues, but is young and has potential (not to mention our cap space).  
 

I think there’s some truth to both sides.  

[terpskins10]

3 hours ago, KillBill26 said:

Get Bruce Smith in here to work with him on it. Dude is probably still in great shape.

Or Dwight Freeney. His spin move was sick. 

[Skinsinparadise]

• Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/24/nfl-combine-preview-pass-interference-replay-peter-king/

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[redskinss]

Can't blame him, he has nothing to gain.

His film does all the talking he needs it too, he's going to be drafted top 3 no matter what and nothing he shows in drills could possibly improve that, only make it worse if he struggles for whatever reason. 

[Conn]

Good. I like rooting for smart players. This is the smart move, his stock can't go higher. 

 

Anyone mad about this because they see the combine as a place to "compete", sucks. 

[OVCChairman]

1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Good. I like rooting for smart players. This is the smart move, his stock can't go higher. 

 

Anyone mad about this because they see the combine as a place to "compete", sucks. 

 

 

Yeah there is little to no reason for him to do this.  He's a consensus top 2 pick, and the combine will not elevate him to no. 1.  If a team were to be dumb enough to move on from him simply because he didn't participate... that's their loss, not his.  

[Warhead36]

The combine is pointless for guys like Young. Its really meant for showcasing the lesser known players. Big names like Young will have their own private workouts.

[wit33]

9 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

• Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/24/nfl-combine-preview-pass-interference-replay-peter-king/

Lock him in and get the big boys on the Oline all signed and one can reasonably speculate the Skins would have the potential to be dominate at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. 
 

What am I missing? Hope it happens. Obviously, I continue to pound this point home, but I pay all the dudes on the Oline big money and that will be countered with a cheap DLine. No way with Haskins being average and both lines taken care of the Skins won’t compete and have a chance to surprise. 

[Skinsinparadise]

3 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Lock him in and get the big boys on the Oline all signed and one can reasonably speculate the Skins would have the potential to be dominate at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. 
 

What am I missing? Hope it happens. Obviously, I continue to pound this point home, but I pay all the dudes on the Oline big money and that will be countered with a cheap DLine. No way with Haskins being average and both lines taken care of the Skins won’t compete and have a chance to surprise. 

 

Yeah I am fairly optimistic.  I don't know about Haskins one way or another, he's the big wild card to me.  But agree if he's average, they can be a team to be reckoned with. 

[evmiii]

Ron called him this weekend and told him don't risk pulling something in the underwear olympics.  You will not get past pick 2.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

The top consensus prospect in the 2020 NFL Draft is Ohio State defensive end Chase Young, and that position is not a need for the Redskins. On top of just having drafted Sweat in the first round, Washington still has veteran Ryan Kerrigan and another good young pro in Matt Ioannidis signed to a reasonable contract. With first-round picks used in 2017 and 2018 on Jonathan Allen and Da'Ron Payne, the Redskins also are set on the inside of the defensive line after spending significant resources. Thus on the surface. there seems to be a lot of reasons for the Redskins to look to move down with a team that wants Tagovailoa or Herbert.

However in speaking with sources with the Redskins, they say it is unlikely they trade down. They won't just give the pick away, and the team would require a massive package to move down that would probably need to include multiple first-round picks and more picks on the second day of the 2020 NFL Draft, similar to what Washington dished out to move up to the second-overall pick for Robert Griffin III in the 2012 NFL Draft or what Philadelphia gave up in 2016 to get the second-overall pick and take Carson Wentz. The Redskins do not believe that any team is willing to pay what it would take to move up to the second-overall pick of the 2020 NFL Draft.

 

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The Miami Dolphins have the draft-pick resources with three first-round picks, two second-round picks, a high third-round pick, and two 2021 first-round picks to move wherever. However, sources with Washington don't believe Miami is willing to give up what it would take to move up. Even staying at the fifth-overall pick, the Dolphins are highly likely to have one of the three top quarterback prospects get to them as the Redskins at No. 2 and the Giants at No. 4 are not in the market for a quarterback. Having both of those teams trade down, or one of them trade down and the Lions taking a quarterback at No. 3 seems unlikely, according to team sources. Therefore, team sources believe the Dolphins could stay at No. 5 and one of the quarterbacks will probably get to them.

I reached out to Dolphins sources, and they thought it was more likely that the Dolphins keep all their picks to rebuild their roster rather than trading picks away to move up for a quarterback. The Dolphins added those picks to draft their type of guys and load up their roster with players who fit head coach Brian Flores. Miami is believed to be targeting Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, but sources feel the team is comfortable with Oregon's Justin Herbert as a fall-back option.

 

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On top of not believing a trade partner is out there, the Redskins love Chase Young. They feel they could have the makings of an elite defensive line. When asked about the difficult proposition of getting four consecutive years of first-round defensive linemen signed to second contracts, Washington sources said that will be challenging, but the organization could maybe figure out a way and deal with it when the time comes. From that conversation, it sounds like Washington is crazy for Young and it would take a ton for the team to pass on him.

The Redskins will listen to offers if there are any, and they aren't closing the book on moving down. But they will need to be blown away to do it. At this time, they don't believe that any team will be willing to pay the price and Washington is thrilled with the prospect of adding Chase Young to go with Jonathan Allen, Da'Ron Payne and Montez Sweat for the long haul. A lot could change in the final weeks before the 2020 NFL Draft, but right now, it sounds like Washington is planning on sticking at No. 2 and picking Young.
 

[mistertim]

If Miami is ok with either Tua or Herbert then there's no reason for them to give away the farm to move up. One of those two of those guys is almost guaranteed to be there at 5, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're both there. Then Miami can use the rest of their accrued picks to work on rebuilding their roster. 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

43 minutes ago, mistertim said:

If Miami is ok with either Tua or Herbert then there's no reason for them to give away the farm to move up. One of those two of those guys is almost guaranteed to be there at 5, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're both there. Then Miami can use the rest of their accrued picks to work on rebuilding their roster. 

Yep. I think they can probably get to #3 by giving up $5 and #26 if they decide they NEED to have Tua (or Herbert)

 

As the Redskins apparently said yesterday ... they don't think anyone can offer what they perceive it will take to move off of #2. I am sure there's some posturing in that position, but at the same time, it's very believable given the prospect of passing on Chase.

Edited February 25, 2020 by JamesMadisonSkins

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[tmandoug1]

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

"Heard" good things? He had better have every piece of tape he can find on Young ingrained in his skull......😂😂😂

[HTTRDynasty]

 

In terms of value, edge players are often considered the quarterbacks of a defense. While this is a bit heavy-handed, as coverage is at least as important as pass-rush, the way that teams have drafted near the top of the first round suggests that this is a widely held belief.

 

Myles Garrett was the No. 1 overall pick in 2017. Jadeveon Clowney preceded him in 2014. Nick Bosa (second), Joey Bosa (third) and Dante Fowler Jr. (third) are recent top-three picks at the position. The player-level success mapping to team-level success aside, there is an appetite for edge players early in the draft, and these players often do a good job with what they are tasked to do. 

 

At PFF, we really shine in the projection of pass-rushers from the college level to the NFL level, as pass-rushing grades, pressures and sacks are some of the more predictable variables. Interestingly, though, these NFL-level variables are also very tied to how a player performs as an athlete (at the combine or their pro day, adjusted for size), a finding that our friend Justis Mosqueda published a few years back. Instead of using different athletic measurements wholesale, we use principal component analysis to combine these measurements into one metric that is specific to each facet of play (e.g., pass-rushing and run defense). 

So, with only partial information in our hands, it's time to talk about the potential second overall selection — Ohio State's Chase Young.

 

My colleague Timo Riske wrote an article about what Washington should do with the pick, which is outside the scope of this piece. Instead, I look at how Young stacks up relative to other NFL players and other players in his class by using our college-to-pro simulation.

 

As I talked about last week when analyzing Isaiah Simmons and Anthony Gordon, I've created a college-to-pro simulation that takes our play-by-play data, contextualizes it for things like strength of opponent, role, situation, and combine measurables, and simulates any given player's first five seasons in the NFL. Without combine data (or, since Young is not working out this week, pro-day data), we can simply provide an estimate for how a player will perform in this context or use how his size has historically translated to combine performance using an imputation method.

 

Without further ado, let's take a look at how Young projects from Ohio State to the NFL.

 

HOW YOUNG PROJECTS AS A PASS-RUSHER

When looking at Young, it only makes sense to look at his pass-rushing prowess first, as run defense doesn't matter as much at the NFL level. As a pass-rusher, with basically a median guess for his combine performance and no adjustments for scheme or usage, Young projects as an above-average pass-rusher in the NFL with good-but-not-great comparisons in Trent Murphy and Preston Smith. This projection, though, is still near the top of the edge class this year, trailing only Oluwole Betiku Jr. (11.87%) of Illinois. 

Context-free projection of Chase Young's pressure rate during his first five years, assuming an average combine performance based on his height and weight. The green line is the median performance for players entering the NFL after 2015.

However, it's very clear that Young is not the typical edge athlete for his size, which is a statement that's evidenced by the market expectation that his 40-yard dash time betters 4.65.

As said above, how a player plays at the college level is only part of the equation, so if we estimate that Young tests out as an 80th-percentile athlete at his pro day, he projects well above the median pass-rusher in the NFL during his first five years, with impressive comps like Demarcus Lawrence, Yannick Ngakoue, Dee Ford, Takkarist McKinley and Greg Hardy.

 

Young's 66th percentile projections in this setting include some very productive edge players in Danielle Hunter, Frank Clark and Robert Quinn, and his 75th percentile of outcomes include some pretty heavy-hitters like J.J. Watt, Myles Garrett, Joey Bosa, T.J. Watt and Jerry Hughes. The comps for his median projection become similar to that of his 75th-percentile projection if Young tests out like a 95th-percentile edge at the combine or his pro day, which is certainly a possibility given how the market currently views him. 

 

Lastly, if Young was to only work as a situational pass-rusher (playing on third down roughly 50% of the time) Young's median projected pressure rate jumps to 11.73% under the former combine assumptions, showing a relatively high floor for a player like this, given one can change his circumstances to elicit more production. 

Context-free projection of Chase Young's pressure rate during his first five years, assuming an 80th-percentile combine (in the case of Young, pro day) performance based on his height and weight. The green line is the median performance for players entering after 2015.

 

HOW YOUNG PROJECTS AS A RUN DEFENDER

While not as important as rushing the passer, some edge players limit their ability to help their teams by not being good enough against the run to stay on the field during early downs. Early down pass-rushing is more difficult than third-down pass-rushing, so there's a big missed opportunity for a team if their elite pass-rushers cannot play on those downs. Young does not project like one of these liabilities, and while other players like A.J. Epenesa of Iowa have a higher projected run-stop rate and a higher projected rate of positively graded plays in the run game, Young is still projected to hold his own in terms of setting the edge.

Context-free projection of Chase Young's run defense during his first five years, assuming an average combine performance based on his height and weight. The green line is the median performance among players entering the league after 2015.

 

Young's comps in run defense are varied, and they include Chandler Jones, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jabaal Sheard and Takk McKinley. Young's 75th-percentile projection as a run defender includes comps like Danielle Hunter, Frank Clark, Matthew Judon and Robert Quinn.

 

CONCLUSION

While taking an edge player over a quarterback with the No. 2 pick is something I struggle with in principle, Chase Young does appear to be one of the better edge prospects in recent memory, and he's the prohibitive favorite to be the first defensive player chosen. If Washington selects him with the second overall pick, though, they might be disappointed in exactly how impactful such a player will be to their team success, given that Ron Rivera's first season with the team hinges on the development of Dwayne Haskins at quarterback and Terry McLaurin at wide receiver and how their secondary comes together with the question marks surrounding Quinton Dunbar and the release of Josh Norman.

 

Edge is an interesting position in that it is pretty predictable from college to pro, seemingly lowering the risk of a bust with such a high pick. However, as Timo Riske documented, early-career success is less prevalent than for other positions, making an immediate impact anything but a sure thing. For a team like Washington, looking to build around a young offense in a relatively weak division, distributing the risk among many picks might be a better process than putting a lot of eggs into one basket, given the limited impact of an edge player to overall team success.

Edited February 25, 2020 by HTTRDynasty

[mistertim]

55 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

"Heard good things" meaning "Ron told me to not admit that he already has multiple life size Fatheads of Chase Young up in his house".   

Edited February 25, 2020 by mistertim

[redskinss]

32 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

, Young projects as an above-average pass-rusher in the NFL with good-but-not-great comparisons in Trent Murphy and Preston Smith.

Pretty hard to take pff seriously when they pull obvious troll maneuvers like this. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

'Generational talent' is a term so often overused to describe NFL prospects, but in the case of Ohio State edge rusher Chase Young, it absolutely applies, says draft analyst Mike Renner.

Including past No. 1 picks Jadeveon Clowney and Myles Garrett, Young may be "the actual generational talent of the bunch," the Pro Football Focus analyst tells The Sports Junkies on 106.7 The Fan.

"I think he's the best one," Renner said Tuesday. "And it's because there's really not much he can't do."

Young is the preeminent favorite to be the first non-quarterback selected and Renner is all-aboard the hype, implying that Young stands out from the best edge rushers in past drafts.

"I think with Myles Garrett, you saw him at times in college just get shut down. He didn't have a ton of pass-rushing moves. I think Chase Young, the difference between him and Garrett is that he has a lot more moves at this point in his skill set. I mean, similar athletically. Both are just off the charts athletically."

Garrett, one of the AFC's top game-wreckers, was a machine during his time at Texas A&M, amassing 31 sacks in three seasons before he was selected first in the 2017 NFL Draft by the Cleveland Browns.

Renner proceeds to compare Young to Clowney, who made a name for himself at the University of South Carolina before he was selected first overall by the Houston Texans in the 2014 NFL Draft.

"I think with Jadeveon Clowney, he was far more unpolished and also a little bit stiffer than the other guys, couldn't really bend the edge," he said. "But these two guys – Myles Garrett and Chase Young – there's not really anything they can't do about the position."

Clowney recorded 21 sacks for the Game****s during his first two seasons, but only had three more added on during his junior year.

"I just think Chase Young's just more polished coming out," Renner added. "I would (rate Young better than those two). I'm not going to put him in the Hall of Fame yet, but I think he's very close to perennial Pro Bowler, like from Day 1."

While a lot of speculation suggests the Redskins could look to part ways with the draft selection, Renner doesn't expect the team's front office to pass on taking a player like Young.

"I think just the way the Redskins are, in terms of how they draft in the past, and how good Chase Young is, I don't think it's going to happen," he said. "I think if you pass on Chase Young, just optically, your fanbase is gonna have a hard time processing that. If you go see him be a Hall of Famer for some other franchise, you're not going to be able to live that down the rest of your career as a GM or executive.

"So I do think that, while there will be trades at certainly No. 3 – like teams are going to want to come up to get Tua or to get Herbert, one of these guys at the top of the draft – I don't think it's gonna be at No. 2."

Edited February 25, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[joeken24]

Just heard Zac Taylor call Chase Young an instant impact player. That's obvious, but by comparison, he was fairly nonchalant in his mentioning of Tua and also said he hasn't met Burrow yet. I know it's early, but I'm getting a bit nervous about the Chase Young sweepstakes

For what its worth:

https://stripehype.com/2020/02/24/understanding-the-bengals-defense-and-why-it-is-the-priority-this-offseason/

[dyst]

“Could be better than Garrett and Clowney”, he better be the way he is hyped. Those are not the names I want him compared to.