TheDoyler23 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Per the report: I think this is a decent enough rationale (certainly a lot of the players involved are with other clubs, and it's tough to pick and choose which players to punish), but also probably motivated by MLB's bottom line (don't want to tarnish Bregman, he's super marketable, etc). Yea, I get it. And to me it sounds weak. They want to make the narrative “we hammered the organization to the extent of our ability... now let’s move on.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 He should get another year for this bull**** statement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: He should get another year for this bull**** statement Yep, like he didn’t know that facility monitors were used and a trash banging was happening. Edited January 13, 2020 by ClaytoAli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said: I agree, what you wrote is garbage rationale, but that's not the rationale in the report, if you read it. It's a point of reference for how these things usually go. I didn't read the entire report. Was going off what you posted. The NCAA by and large is the worst sports governing organization. Every bit as corrupt as the IOC but the IOC does punish cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) Summation of Luhnow's statement.. Edited January 13, 2020 by CRobi21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Cora gonna be banging on trash cans somewhere in Puerto Rico soon. **** him. **** all these guys. Ban them all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I think it's hilarious that today was the first time the investigation was even hinted at on MLB.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 "The Ballpark at the Palm Beaches" is the West Palm Beach spring training facility shared by the Astros and the Nationals. As you walk the concourse during games there are lots of trash cans around to dispose of litter. I hope it becomes a thing for Nats fans to bang on those trash cans every time they throw trash away. Just reach down and BAM BAM BAM, then casually toss in the hot dog wrapper and walk away. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I wonder what's going to happen with Boston. It's not like they are adverse to cheating, even at the executive level. Remember when they cheated the international signing process to get Moncada? And that trade netted them Sale and a World Series...possibly also by cheating! Woof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Someone on the radio said that mild cheating in baseball is ok. However, bringing technology into it is what makes it against the rule. Any truth to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Simmsy said: Someone on the radio said that mild cheating in baseball is ok. However, bringing technology into it is what makes it against the rule. Any truth to that? Stealing signs has been done forever. It is part of the game. I loved trying to figure out opposing signs when I played in high school. If I was on 2nd you're damn right I'm staring down their bench & catcher so I can signal the batter. But u introduce technology and you're done. Should be a lifetime ban & heavier hit to the franchise. Edit...I should add binoculars & any other device to see the signs would apply Edited January 14, 2020 by EmirOfShmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Simmsy said: Someone on the radio said that mild cheating in baseball is ok. However, bringing technology into it is what makes it against the rule. Any truth to that? Yea. Sign stealing is generally part of the game and it's on the pitcher and catcher to change things up with runners on. But if the batter values his ribs, he won't look back at the catcher's signs. And some players DON'T want to know what's coming as they think it screws them up. There's a funny anecdote in the book 'Moneyball' where Jaime Moyer is pitching to David Justice and he keeps fouling off pitches to the point where Moyer was like like, dude what do you want me to throw? And Justice managed to psyche himself out of the at bat because of it. On the other side MANY pitchers "cheat" with substances. Batters only mind if they're loading the ball. A little pine tar or sticky sunscreen will help the pitcher control the ball and make it less likely to hit them in the head. Plus they know their pitchers are using it as well so managers don't make a stink about it. Unless you're being obvious about it (see Pineda, Michael - dude had a river of goo on his neck and got tossed a few years ago). 21 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said: But u introduce technology and you're done. Should be a lifetime ban & heavier hit to the franchise. Agreed. Once you leave the playing field to cheat, that's when it's egregious. It's one thing for your runner at second to figure the pitch sequence and it's another to involve team staff, cameras and such. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 It's not just technology. It's technology or another system to warn the batter.... like how many bangs on a trash can will signal a change-up. Baseball has so many rules and unwritten rules. How you can watch your own HR, when a bat flip is ok, etc. If you have a guy on 2nd and he's watching/waiting for contact.... he's also seeing the signs the catcher is throwing down and what the pitch is doing. Guys have been trying to let their hitter know what's coming forever. I don't think it's anywhere close to having the home replay booth signaling to the dugout who then bangs on a trashcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, TheDoyler23 said: I wonder what's going to happen with Boston. It's not like they are adverse to cheating, even at the executive level. Remember when they cheated the international signing process to get Moncada? And that trade netted them Sale and a World Series...possibly also by cheating! Woof. Some baseball people are thinking Cora might get the ban hammer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I definitely think Cora should get the Pete Rose treatment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Nats fans acting like they got a WS stolen from them and hating the Astros because of it instead of remembering that they, in fact, just won a World Series is pretty hilarious. 34 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I definitely think Cora should get the Pete Rose treatment. Good, **** him. Even though I don't think Pete Rose should have gotten the Pete Rose treatment, I hope Cora does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoVaSkins21 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Still can't believe that they got away with this and got a championship and it should be vacated with these punishments coming down. As the old saying goes, cheaters should never prosper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Glad to see Cora got fired. Annoyed that they said it's a "mutual parting of ways" but whatever. I hope they hire a terrible manager in his place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just a reminder, the Washington Nationals are the heroes of baseball. They single-handedly restored honor and dignity to the World Series. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Just a reminder, the Washington Nationals are the heroes of baseball. They single-handedly restored honor and dignity to the World Series. You're right. Let's dance! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) I'm waiting on the shoe to drop on Beltran and the Mets next Edited January 16, 2020 by Barry.Randolphe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Thing is I can't find anything in MLB's official rules that says stealing signs with the aid of cameras is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Barry.Randolphe said: I'm waiting on the shoe to drop on Beltran and the Mets next That would be the LOLMetsiest thing of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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