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12 hours ago, tshile said:

 

Except that what really happened was that someone brought up Pence's 'policy', and accused people of using such a policy of being either sexist or afraid they cannot control themselves and not harass/assault a woman when one-on-one, and it was mentioned multiple times by multiple people that there were good reasons for doing it including (as you point out) that it's to protect *both* parties.

 

sexist-relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

 

Again, it is sexist.  It discriminates against people based on sex.  If he works late with a person and works late only with males, it puts females at a disadvantage in the work place.  That's discrimination.  It also stereotypes men and women by assuming that men will not feel uncomfortable alone with him, while females can feel uncomfortable alone with him and/or that he's more vulnerable to being falsely accused of something after spending time with alone with a woman than a man.

 

Unless, he actually is afraid of his ability to not sexually harass a female if left alone with one.

 

(I'm honestly starting to believe that some people don't understand the meaning of sexism.)

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On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 8:44 PM, zoony said:

What exactly is the role of big time hollywood producer guy?  Just basically sit on your throne and decide which desperate filmakers, actresses, and actors are worthy of you throwing $millions at?  

 

In some respects, it might be more amazing that these guys arent even worse. 

 

Being the gatekeepers and arbiters for what amounts to creating millionaires out of thin air, with no real process or metrics or business model, other than "gut or feel" on certain projects.  In an industry where thousands upon thousands of the nations most beautiful people are throwing themselves at every opportunity, with almost no quantitative difference from one to the next.

 

Should we be shocked that the guy on top is a creepy, soulless, abusive piece of ****?  Serious question

 

 

Weintstein's position in Hollywood was pretty unique in that he was really the last all-powerful studio head who did all the stuff that the stereotypical studio head did - Identify a property, get the funding, find the talent, attach the talent, shepherd the project, and then on the back-end he had the ability to get his films all the rewards and praise that got an actor, director, etc to the next level.

 

Ben Affleck and Matt Damon are fairly good examples of how he operated. In one year, he basically took two guys who were usually the third male lead in a teen drama or something and made them millionaire superstars who won Oscars for SCREENWRITING of all things. And he made Robin Williams a serious actor again after a few years of Mrs Doubtfire/Jumanji type stuff.

 

I think his personal power was fading in recent years (which is why this probably came out), but the list of people who literally owe their entire careers to him is insane: Soderberg, Tarantino, Samuel Jackson, Damon, Affleck, Winslet, Kevin Smith, Helena Bonham Carter, etc. Not to mention he helped save careers for Woody Allen and Travolta. So, you just set up this universe where all roads lead back to him.

 

But this is where stuff gets gross.

 

How can these people claim they don't know? Gwineth Paltrow is the daughter of Hollywood royalty. Her godfather is Steven Spielberg. She dated Brad Pitt. She didn't say a word about Weinstein to any of them? Tarantiono dated Mira Sorvino - who is also the daughter of a Hollywood star. Jolie - daughter of star married to Brad Pitt. It wasn't just unknown Italian actresses he targeted.

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1 minute ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

How can these people claim they don't know? Gwineth Paltrow is the daughter of Hollywood royalty. Her godfather is Steven Spielberg. She dated Brad Pitt. She didn't say a word about Weinstein to any of them? Tarantiono dated Mira Sorvino - who is also the daughter of a Hollywood star. Jolie - daughter of star married to Brad Pitt. It wasn't just unknown Italian actresses he targeted.

they all knew. This is what needs to be harped. Especially the men who knew.

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3 hours ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

How can these people claim they don't know? Gwineth Paltrow is the daughter of Hollywood royalty. Her godfather is Steven Spielberg. She dated Brad Pitt. She didn't say a word about Weinstein to any of them? Tarantiono dated Mira Sorvino - who is also the daughter of a Hollywood star. Jolie - daughter of star married to Brad Pitt. It wasn't just unknown Italian actresses he targeted.

 

Paltrow did tell Pitt who apparently threatened to beat Harvey up at a party.  What came out of it?  Paltrow became a huge star, won an Oscar and was the "it" girl in Hollywood for about a 5 year span.  Pitt stood up for his girl, but ultimately it was Paltrow's call to speak out about Harvey or shut up and use Harvey to her advantage.  She choose to be quiet and used him to advance her career.  Wouldn't surprise me if her parents told her to be quiet being they're in the industry.  

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5 hours ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

I can't believe that contract actually exists. At this point, I think you could almost bring a RICO action against the Weinstein Company as seems to be a front for some sort of private brothel.

 

The company might not exist for too much longer.  The entire management structure is kinda implicated in sweeping it under the rug.  They're thinking of bailing on the whole enterprise.

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2 hours ago, drowland said:

 

Paltrow did tell Pitt who apparently threatened to beat Harvey up at a party.  What came out of it?  Paltrow became a huge star, won an Oscar and was the "it" girl in Hollywood for about a 5 year span.  Pitt stood up for his girl, but ultimately it was Paltrow's call to speak out about Harvey or shut up and use Harvey to her advantage.  She choose to be quiet and used him to advance her career.  Wouldn't surprise me if her parents told her to be quiet being they're in the industry.  

 

PItt other options too.  Especially once he became a star, he could have refused to work with Weinstein (and based on LSF's comments earlier, he didn't where he did Inglorious ****s with them).

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8 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

they all knew. This is what needs to be harped. Especially the men who knew.

Why "the men" who knew?  How are they any more or less culpable than the women who knew? Everyone who kept quiet and went on with business as usual did the exact same thing and had the same effect.  

 

Id love to know why Hollywood appears to be responsible for policing itself.  He's a rapist and Hollywood press is asking "why didn't celeb X say something?"  Why the hell are we framing the right response to rape as a press conference and a refusal to work with someone?  Why is law enforcement completely absent?  Why does the Weinstein company have a contract that allows for abuse?  

 

Systems are reliable, individuals acting against their financial interest to do the right thing, are not.  

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Because men pay attention to other men. Men don't pay attention to women much, unless they have to.

 

Men have to solve this problem, women have been trying for millennia and we still have this problem. 

 

So until men step up, people will continue to suffer.

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15 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Because men pay attention to other men. Men don't pay attention to women much, unless they have to.

 

Men have to solve this problem, women have been trying for millennia and we still have this problem. 

 

So until men step up, people will continue to suffer.

 

Men pay attention to power, not other men.  We make sport of going after each other and pretend it's somehow noble.  

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Why do people on here constantly ask why no one spoke up before?   It's the same reason as it was with Roger Ailes.  

 

People wanted to continue to work in the industry.  They didn't want to face a powerful figure who could kill their career, sue them into oblivion, etc.  Even if they came forward and were vindicated, they ran a serious risk of being viewed as a whiner, a "difficult person to work with."  

 

Sexual harassers usually get away with it for years because they pick on people who are less powerful than they are.  It has always been that way.   Especially in Hollywood - Jack Warner, Sam Goldwyn, Louis B Mayer, Howard Hughes - all of them were sexual harassers, and all of them got away with it.

 

 

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Abuse of power is a nasty thing.  It isn't just about the harassment itself, but what lingers afterwards. A lot of women don't come forward for a ton of reasons, but the last thing we should all be doing is making some grand proclamation about the "proper way" to come forward with the allegation(s).


This is not unique.  Weinstein, Ailes, Cosby, etc etc etc......I hate how political this has become on social media as if abuse of power issues are claimed by one side of the politicial aisle over the other.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Period.

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So...if Weinstein's contract had a sexual harassment clause (LMAO at this being a real thing, holy ****), does he have a case for a wrongful termination lawsuit? 

I can't believe I'm actually asking this.

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4 hours ago, Destino said:

Why is law enforcement completely absent?

 

Systems are reliable, individuals acting against their financial interest to do the right thing, are not.  

 

The police were absent because only one person appears to have made a complaint to the police, and it was something that would have been a misdemeanor crime (grabbing her breast) and so was not treated with a high priority by the legal system.

 

It is very hard for the police to act without complaints of a crime.

 

And hence the power of NDAs.  If the perpetrator has money, the involvement of the police almost certainly is going to require the victim to go against their financial interest and to the right thing.

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2 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

The police were absent because only one person appears to have made a complaint to the police, and it was something that would have been a misdemeanor crime (grabbing her breast) and so was not treated with a high priority by the legal system.

 

It is very hard for the police to act without complaints of a crime.

 

And hence the power of NDAs.  If the perpetrator has money, the involvement of the police almost certainly is going to require the victim to go against their financial interest and to the right thing.

Right, so what can we change to respond to these problems?  

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6 minutes ago, Destino said:

Right, so what can we change to respond to these problems?  

 

I've argued here with respect to the medical industry, that we should make NDAs and confidentiality agreements as part of legal settlements illegal.

 

Lawyers hate the idea, and I understand why.  But I'm also one that believes at some point in time that the rights and good of the individual interfere with the good of the many.

 

It certainly seems like in this case, the same would have likely achieved a better result for the larger system if Weinstein couldn't have come to settlements with his victims that included NDAs.

 

(That argument seems like an even larger derail of this thread then Pence's rules for meeting with females.)

 

The other thing would be to teach people to do the right thing better.  After this, I've had the general conversation with my daughters (only 8 and 11 so not the actual details of this, but general the concept) of the importance of doing the right thing and what would be the right thing to do in this sort of situation- tell others.

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During the football game al Michaels said the giants had a tougher week than Harvey weinstein. A lot of people took to social media to complain. 
 
The odd thing is sexual assault has been referenced before... And a lot more strongly than what Michaels did. Honestly I don't think what he said was that bad but people are going to blow it up. I mean did you see Chappelle and Jim Jeffries stand up? Bill Cosby is repeatedly referenced. Is that offensive or insensitive?
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In a day and age where everyone's offended and everyone needs to complain, that's not surprising.  Al Michael's joke was in poor taste and dumb but it's not like he said that the Giants had a tougher week than one of Harvey Weinstein's VICTIMS.  That'd be a lot worse and have more reason for a complaint, imo.

 

Take it for what it's worth at the surface level.  The Giants had a terrible week, have been falling from grace and so has Harvey Weinstein.  That's as probably far as he thought it through.  

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