Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

[Hersh]

2 hours ago, Force1958 said:

The Dimms are banking on more delay tactics for any kind of substantive border and immigration reform so that the millions of illegal aliens can vote in the 2020 election.  It won't matter, they can vote illegally all they want, Trump's base will show up on election day and do exactly what was done in 2016.  The Dimms are slowly caving themselves in with all this socialist bull****.  We won't have to worry about 2020, a second term is in the books.

 

You are a fraud and a clown. You constantly speak without truth and you add nothing to the conversation. Literally nothing you said here is true and there are simple ways to prove it, but you aren't interested in truth. Go put on your hood and get to your meeting where your fact free opinion is welcome. 

[No Excuses]

2 hours ago, Force1958 said:

Money laundering, seriously.  So much fake news flowing in this thread it's beyond belief.

 

Hi doofus, here is a link to the Department of Treasury citing money laundering charges against his failed Atlantic City casino:

 

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long

 

If you didn’t have your head so far up his ass, you would know this too.

[mistertim]

15 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

Hi doofus, here is a link to the Department of Treasury citing money laundering charges against his failed Atlantic City casino:

 

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long

 

If you didn’t have your head so far up his ass, you would know this too.

 

You're all such MSM sheep!

 

That's fake news from a fake Deep State government website citing a fake charge from a fake department written by fake humans on fake paper approved by a fake judge citing a fake Act and plopped down on Trump's fake desk at a fake time using fake gravity from a fake universe made by a fake god.

 

You anti-Trump people really are idiots.

[PF Chang]

Trump's signature achievement in office will be the country's increased focus on prosecuting white collar crime.

 

He's failed to achieve any of the actual campaign promises he made outside of arbitrarily slashing regulations (for every new regulation 2 existing must be eliminated, a dumb method of decision making).

 

His only accomplishments are cutting taxes and nominating judges, two things that any GOP president would do. He's never going to build a wall. He's not going to ban Muslims from the country, or defeat ISIS, or fix the North Korea situation. His idiot son-in-law isn't going to 'make a deal' w/r/t Israel and Palestine. He's not going to fix healthcare and couldn't even repeal the ACA when his party had complete control of Congress. He's not going to do a ****ing thing for infrastructure even though "he's a builder." 

 

Even if you somehow actually liked his campaign promises he has failed miserably.

[@DCGoldPants]

Cutting taxes for those who needed it the least. 

 

That's his signature accomplishment. Tax season is already looking like folks are in full Wtf mode. 

[Riggo-toni]

[Cooked Crack]

Lololol

[tshile]

You all letting the dude who joined just over a month ago troll you?

 

come on

[Cooked Crack]

One of my favorite tropes of this White House. A leak causes a leak hunt that also leaks.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

11 hours ago, Bang said:

What is their reasoning? It would be damaging to the country to learn

 

E/ all of the above

E if you replace ‘Country’ with ‘party’.

[NoCalMike]

"the" leaker?  LOL.....they are all likely leaking.

[Cooked Crack]

10 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

"the" leaker?  LOL.....they are all likely leaking.

Can't fire everybody. That's why they're just fluffing his schedule and making it look like he's actually doing work.

[Skintime]

8 hours ago, Force1958 said:

I can handle him being an egotistical douchebag if he keeps rolling $$ money into my 2 IRA's and keeps working out deals to put America first.

 

Which deals do you refer to? How'd your IRA do last year?

[LD0506]

Long but worth it IMO........

 

Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump? A question asked on Quora...and here is the best response I've seen or heard so far....

Thank you to Chris O'Leary...Please take the time to read (a little long I know, but worth it.)
Chris O'Leary, former 10 years of Active Duty at U.S. Marine Corps (1989-2000)

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I’m a right-leaning centrist who has voted Republican way more often than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?
Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.
A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”. (Check Politifact for detailed info.)

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.
C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.
D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.
E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.
F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
G.) He’s unethical and always has been. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.
H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But RUSSIA has to be the ones who earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.
I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?
J.) He is and always has been an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.
K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.
L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him
M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.
N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
O.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.
P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.
Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.
R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.
S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years ****ing Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

I could go on, but I’m risking Carpal Tunnel, and I’m not sure how much longer I’ll have health insurance.
Edit:
Ok, Ok. Based on the most common feedback in the comments (Including the offer of a Marriage Proposal - - my wife was not amused) I’ll see what I can do about T-Z
T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.
U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the ****” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.
V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.
W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.
Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to Thinking The practice clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the practice clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.
Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been? 
WRITTEN BY: Chris O'Leary Marine 
Semper Fi Hoorah Marines

[Force1958]

1 hour ago, LD0506 said:

Long but worth it IMO........

 

Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump? A question asked on Quora...and here is the best response I've seen or heard so far....

Thank you to Chris O'Leary...Please take the time to read (a little long I know, but worth it.)
Chris O'Leary, former 10 years of Active Duty at U.S. Marine Corps (1989-2000)

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I’m a right-leaning centrist who has voted Republican way more often than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?
Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.
A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”. (Check Politifact for detailed info.)

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.
C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.
D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.
E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.
F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
G.) He’s unethical and always has been. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.
H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But RUSSIA has to be the ones who earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.
I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?
J.) He is and always has been an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.
K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.
L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him
M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.
N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
O.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.
P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.
Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.
R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.
S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years ****ing Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

I could go on, but I’m risking Carpal Tunnel, and I’m not sure how much longer I’ll have health insurance.
Edit:
Ok, Ok. Based on the most common feedback in the comments (Including the offer of a Marriage Proposal - - my wife was not amused) I’ll see what I can do about T-Z
T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.
U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the ****” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.
V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.
W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.
Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to Thinking The practice clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the practice clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.
Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been? 
WRITTEN BY: Chris O'Leary Marine 
Semper Fi Hoorah Marines

I read Chris's piece and I can honestly say that most of the points he makes can be attributed to all of the past presidents we've had.  I don't agree with all of his points but some are spot on.  He has an opinion just like we all do.  I look at the good he's done for the country since taking office.  Most of the crowd on this forum are Trump haters so it does no good for me to debate them on the topic.  My IRA's are booming and I feel safe living here knowing he's actually working with our potential enemies and trying to keep them in check.  If he can get healthcare and prescription drugs under some kind of control that'll be icing on the cake.

 

Thanks for your service.

[Force1958]

14 hours ago, Skintime said:

Which deals do you refer to? How'd your IRA do last year?

Eliminating most of the Obama era restrictions on free trade, making it more appealing for businesses to stay in the US and for those OCONUS to come back, or, face stiff penalties/tax's.  The trade deal with Mexico and Canada.  Getting us out of the Iran deal.  Getting us out of NAFTA.  Getting us out of that Paris Climate agreement, seriously a huge waste of money for the US especially since none of the other members put in their fair share.  Tariff's imposed on steel has increased production in our own country.  He just passed a bill that slash's corporate tax's that will trickle down to small businesses across the country.  He doubled the child-tax credit.  He repealed the Obama individual mandate which directly impacted 2 of my kids.  So many Americans can't afford the Obamacare plans but instead get healthcare from another source.  Being penalized for it was dumb to begin with.

 

I have 2 IRA's, one having more risk than the other.  For 2018 the less risky did 6% and the other did almost 10.  I'd say that's a pretty good return.

16 hours ago, tshile said:

You all letting the dude who joined just over a month ago troll you?

 

come on

How many times do I have to tell you people that I've been on here for years.  My submission numbers got messed up and I've asked the mods to look into it.  

 

And let me ask you a question.  Why would somebody who'd "been on here" for just over a month suddenly have less of an opinion than those of you "that have been on here" for years?  That would be called having an elitist attitude or feelings, neither are any good.  This is a forum for Redskin fans to gather and share thoughts, this particular forum is for anybody to come and share any kind of thought that might pop into their head.  This seems to be a common problem on forums these days, those that post a lot somehow have this superiority complex.  It actually makes those of you that behave like this act the fool.

[Force1958]

22 hours ago, Hersh said:

 

You are a fraud and a clown. You constantly speak without truth and you add nothing to the conversation. Literally nothing you said here is true and there are simple ways to prove it, but you aren't interested in truth. Go put on your hood and get to your meeting where your fact free opinion is welcome. 

Hahaha, go look up what I say then and post on here if you think what I'm saying is untruthful.  I hope you get banned for your last, totally not called for.

[The Evil Genius]

I'd be more curious if anyone thinks Trump's choice to ally with Kim Jong-un and/or Putin (over say our historical alliances with Europe) are good things. Not sure how that can be realistically spun.

[Hersh]

11 minutes ago, Force1958 said:

Eliminating most of the Obama era restrictions on free trade, making it more appealing for businesses to stay in the US and for those OCONUS to come back, or, face stiff penalties/tax's.  The trade deal with Mexico and Canada.  Getting us out of the Iran deal.  Getting us out of NAFTA.  Getting us out of that Paris Climate agreement, seriously a huge waste of money for the US especially since none of the other members put in their fair share.  Tariff's imposed on steel has increased production in our own country.  He just passed a bill that slash's corporate tax's that will trickle down to small businesses across the country.  He doubled the child-tax credit.  He repealed the Obama individual mandate which directly impacted 2 of my kids.  So many Americans can't afford the Obamacare plans but instead get healthcare from another source.  Being penalized for it was dumb to begin with.

 

I have 2 IRA's, one having more risk than the other.  For 2018 the less risky did 6% and the other did almost 10.  I'd say that's a pretty good return.

How many times do I have to tell you people that I've been on here for years.  My submission numbers got messed up and I've asked the mods to look into it.  

 

And let me ask you a question.  Why would somebody who'd "been on here" for just over a month suddenly have less of an opinion than those of you "that have been on here" for years?  That would be called having an elitist attitude or feelings, neither are any good.  This is a forum for Redskin fans to gather and share thoughts, this particular forum is for anybody to come and share any kind of thought that might pop into their head.  This seems to be a common problem on forums these days, those that post a lot somehow have this superiority complex.  It actually makes those of you that behave like this act the fool.

 

LOLOLOLOL, you actually believe in trickle down economics. Oh man. You really do post any thought that pops in your head. There is so much wrong factually with your post that I'm just going to laugh at this point.  

[PF Chang]

16 minutes ago, Force1958 said:

Eliminating most of the Obama era restrictions on free trade, making it more appealing for businesses to stay in the US and for those OCONUS to come back, or, face stiff penalties/tax's.  The trade deal with Mexico and Canada.  Getting us out of the Iran deal.  Getting us out of NAFTA.  Getting us out of that Paris Climate agreement, seriously a huge waste of money for the US especially since none of the other members put in their fair share.  Tariff's imposed on steel has increased production in our own country. 

 

 

You're glad he eliminated Obama era restrictions on free trade but in the same post you're happy about getting out of the North American Free Trade Agreement and happy about tariffs. This doesn't make sense. 

[Force1958]

23 hours ago, hail2skins said:

Again, i'm sure your IRAs did quite handsomely under 8 years of Obama as well.

 

I agree that this country is not going to collapse if Trump gets re-elected. And I understand how his "America First" message resonates with a lot of folks. And I don't like it when people just oppose everything he says just for the sake of opposing him (as a lot of GOP voters said about Obama).

 

But at the same time, I just don't like the Trump supporters who won't even admit the man's glaring faults. Almost to a point where they glorify him and believe his crap about how the growth of the economy today is the best in the country's history. I know some people who went to his inauguration and a few of his inaugural events......but didn't go when GWB or his father was elected. Why is that?

 

 

I appreciate you not attacking me unlike most of the others on here.  Thanks for that.  I mean, this is a forum for sharing thoughts whether we agree or not.

 

I don't like everything Trump does.  I cringe when he tweets without really thinking, his off the cuff moments.  I called my buddies the night he had Pence say that that ISIS had been eradicated in Syria, saying that was a baaaaaaad mistake.  What happens the next day, 4 US service members were killed, one who used to work here where I live and where ISIS claimed responsibility.  The US should NEVER (sorry for the caps) ever publicly say something like that.  I love how he lets the populace know what's going on in the world with his tweeting, but he needs to be more under control with when and how he tweets.

 

I don't like how he mostly dismisses our intelligence service.  I could be biased though having retired from 35 years working in it.  But in the end he needs to trust reports that come out of the CIA, NSA, DOS, etc.  I'll grant you that some of the intel offices are becoming more and more political as the years go by, but in the end the workforce puts out the truth about world events.  Oh, it was the same with our military up until recently.  He relies too much on his family to provide his with critical intel and military info.  He needs to get that from the directors of the agencies and our military leaders.

 

I know he wants to come across as "real" but I don't like the name calling, especially in public.  Go and tell them to their face but don't put it out for all of us to see.  

 

The base, of which I'm one of, want to see him act totally different than any other POTUS before him.  That was great up until a point, but he does need to tone it down a bit being more than 2 years in.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

LOLOLOLOL, you actually believe in trickle down economics. Oh man. You really do post any thought that pops in your head. There is so much wrong factually with your post that I'm just going to laugh at this point.  

Try and debunk what I said then.  Go ahead.

[TheGreatBuzz]

30 minutes ago, Force1958 said:

Most of the crowd on this forum are Trump haters so it does no good for me to debate them on the topic.

Before I get to this part, let me give you two pieces of advice since you are new here.  One, don't quote huge blocks of text.  If you are refering to the entire post, just quote the first couple lines.  We will figure it out.  Two, don't make a bunch of posts back to back.  Use the multi-quote function.  It is the plus sign in the bottom left of each post.

 

Now, I don't know if you noticed but this board does lean pretty left.  And I am probably one of the most conservative people here.  The reason I debate here is so I can see opinions other than my own.  It helps everyone to have topics debated.   But make sure you have facts to back it up.  Yes, my wallet looks fat.  But that trend started before trump so it is hard for him to take all the credit.  

 

I think you could be good for this forum.  You just have to be open-minded, be prepared to back up your statements, be prepared to defend them with more facts, and be open to hear what others say and listen to the facts they post.

[Force1958]

2 minutes ago, PF Chang said:

 

You're glad he eliminated Obama era restrictions on free trade but in the same post you're happy about getting out of the North American Free Trade Agreement and happy about tariffs. This doesn't make sense. 

NAFTA equals  a bad deal for the US from the moment we were a part of it.  What did we get out of it based on much we contributed.  That's why we opted out when we did. Trump saw it as an unfair trade agreement.  Go ahead and name one benefit we got out of NAFTA over the years.

[NoCalMike]

The problem with Trump's bravado regarding N. Korea and foreign policy in general, or at least his braggart-ness  about it, is he is basically taking credit and/or pretending that he is responsible for things that have just been the way they have been long before he came into office.   

 

We were absolutely not "on the brink of North Korea" before Trump was elected, but because we aren't actively at war with them, Trump just can make statements eluding to him saving us from an imaginary war that was never about to happen.  He can act like being Kim's buddy is somehow saving us from something that was never happening in the first place.  

 

It is the same story with The Wall.  He is inventing a problem, even going as far to say it is a "national crisis" in order to try and scare people into supporting something that won't even work to help solve the overall issue.

 

Same with the economy.  He is taking full credit for an economy that was healthy before he took office.  Now, if he wants to make the argument that he has an improved a healthy economy, that would be different.  However he absolutely does not get to pretend he "saved us" from something that was never there.  

[Force1958]

2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I think you could be good for this forum.  You just have to be open-minded, be prepared to back up your statements, be prepared to defend them with more facts, and be open to hear what others say and listen to the facts they post.

All great pointers of which I'll start using when responding to posts.   i keep forgetting about the merging of comments into a single response.