visionary Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said: Can they vote? Well, there is this thing called Parliament...that you may have heard of. They have the ability to make laws that can affect people in the UK and in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kilmer17 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: Yeah, no worry about what Trump might be doing to the Republican party after the loss of an Alabama Senate seat. There are numerous parallels to 2010 gong on. The second you think one side is finished is when it swings the other way. 2008 the Ds had the Presidency and 60 Senate seats. 2002 it looked like Bush was untouchable. A lot can happen in a short time, the swing voter is fickle. Do you think the GOP would have lost if anyone other than Moore had run? Do you think Doug Jones has more than a 10 percent chance when he’s up for re-election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said: Right. I get that. And the fact that the left snickers and laughs at this kind of thing enegizes his support. Im dumbfounded that you folks don’t understand this yet. His support is hopelessly lost as far as voting for a Democratic candidate is concerned. There is a solid 35% of this Country who apparently feel Trump is a good President and support his policies and actions. Screw them. They are going to vote for him and it does not matter if that’s with energy or not. Then there is a solid base of circa 40% who will vote Democrat. But having more votes does not necessarily win the electoral college as we saw in 2016. The question is how do these kind of protests and the headlines impact the thinking and actions of people who are independent, maybe voted for a third candidate at the last election or lean Democrat but did not vote at all. Will the realisation that real damage is being done to the standing of the US among its traditional Allies along with the reality of Trumps policies domestically energise THEM to get out and vote. Increased turn out and a determination to beat Trump leading to a focus around a single non Trump candidate is what the opposition to Trump should be working on. I personally think these kind of protests in the Capitals of our major Allies are useful as part of achieving this. More useful than protests in the US in my opinion. 33 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: Do you think the GOP would have lost if anyone other than Moore had run? Do you think Doug Jones has more than a 10 percent chance when he’s up for re-election? There was a 31% increase in turnout in that election. Was that triggered by anti Moore only or was some of it anti Trump as well. Hard to say. But increased turnout is the key to success for the Democrats whatever drives it. Young people are registering to vote in record numbers in part at least because of school shootings - they are not registering to vote for the status quo. Thats not to say the Democrats can take their (or anyone’s) vote for granted. They have to do a better job of their selection process and end up with a better candidate than last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: Do you think the GOP would have lost if anyone other than Moore had run? Do you think Doug Jones has more than a 10 percent chance when he’s up for re-election? But that's a reason not to kowtow to Republicans. They are so tribalistic that they will vote for a traitor, a pedophile, or an honest to G-d actual Nazi (Illinois) as long as they have the right letter beside their name. If they are that cultish and brainwashed what's the point in trying to appeal to them? Democrats are already the party of the center. They really are. Republicans are the party so far to the edge that they have fallen over the cliff and are halfway down the Marianas Trench. The only hope for Conservatives is if they form their own party and do a hard split from the modern Tea Party/Trump Party, but to do that they have to swallow, bare some pain and accept a few rounds of electoral losses. So far, they'd rather condone treason, corruption, and pedophilia. If you love this country, you really can't vote Republican anymore. Sadly, about fifty percent of the population will. And that's my calm, measured, and objective take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: I’m curios. What do people here think the affect of protests and blimps are in the states the Dems need to improve in 2020? Think this helps or hurts Trump? What happens in another country is irrelevant. What happens if there are protests and blimps in those states, the Dems need in 2020, is irrelevant. 2020 will come down to what most elections come down to. The economy stupid. If the economy is doing well in the states that Trump needs to win the presidency, then he will win reelection. That's it, plain and simple. The rest will be ignored, including proof of Russian Collusion. Right now and lot can happen before election day 2020; I don't see how the Dems beat Trump in 2020. When it comes down to actually voting, all those people who voted for Trump in 2016; will do so again. I do believe the overall vote against Trump, will be even higher than 2016. Blue state votes against Trump will be through the roof. Thing is, in the red states and the swing states; Trump will get enough votes, to win the electoral college again.I could actually see Trump increasing his vote total in those states. If the economy is bad, then Trump loses alot of voters. Those loss of voters, will be enough to elect the Dem. Though, I think the diehard Trumpster; will not blame him for a bad economy and thus not hold him responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said: Do you think the GOP would have lost if anyone other than Moore had run? Do you think Doug Jones has more than a 10 percent chance when he’s up for re-election? The fact that Moore was the candidate tells you a lot about the disease that has infested the Republican party. You guys are going to lose a number of elections where you have white supremacists, etc running. And Trump will become a liability to a greater extent than he is already. Besides, Moore isn't the only one, just the glaring example like Scott Brown in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 seems relevant: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ and that's with good economic numbers, trade wars a coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Do you think the GOP would have lost if anyone other than Moore had run? Do you think Doug Jones has more than a 10 percent chance when he’s up for re-election? Someone else did run... Luther Strange. Roy Moore defeated him easily in the primary. The GOP base nominated Roy Moore Just like they nominated Donald Trump and a bunch of other recent **** stains. edit: What about Hillary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSkin Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 TBF, Roy Moore is more innocuous than Luther Strange. It's too obvious to have just a straight up-out of the comic books villain name for your evil senatorial nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, SoulSkin said: TBF, Roy Moore is more innocuous than Luther Strange. It's too obvious to have just a straight up-out of the comic books villain name for your evil senatorial nominee. Quit kicking Moore when he's down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSkin Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: Quit kicking Moore when he's down. I wasn't, but I would kick the sheeeeiiit out of him if I had a chance. It's Thunderdome time for quite a few of his ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 6 hours ago, RedskinsFan44 said: The fact that Moore was the candidate tells you a lot about the disease that has infested the Republican party. You guys are going to lose a number of elections where you have white supremacists, etc running. And Trump will become a liability to a greater extent than he is already. Besides, Moore isn't the only one, just the glaring example like Scott Brown in 2010. We've been losing a number of elections since 2010 due to this disease (I blame talk radio) I think at least 7 senate seats were thrown away in the same fashion as Alabama's was and they almost threw away the Presidency too (although pulling that out may make Trump the Republican version of Obama - ie a long term political disaster for the party). Senate seats thrown away by the loony right: Deleware Nevada Colorado Missouri Indiana Alabama (Think there was one more but maybe not). BTW Scott Brown (Mass?)???? That was the Dems throwing a seat away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Burgold said: But that's a reason not to kowtow to Republicans. They are so tribalistic that they will vote for a traitor, a pedophile, or an honest to G-d actual Nazi (Illinois) as long as they have the right letter beside their name. If they are that cultish and brainwashed what's the point in trying to appeal to them? ........ So how is Senator Moore doing so far then because if what you said was accurate he'd be a Senator wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, nonniey said: So how is Senator Moore doing so far then because if what you said was accurate he'd be a Senator wouldn't he? Doug Jones - 670k votes (50%) Roy Moore - 647k votes (48%) Trump won Alabama by 28 points, so lets assume the state is 64/36 Republican/Democrat. 16 percent of the state that normally votes R found Roy Moore to be a bridge too far, and that somehow negates the 48 percent of the state that was cool with him? 3 out of 4 Republicans voted for him. That's not anything to hang your hat on. I can see the slogan now "Vote Republican: Only 75% of us are outright insane" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 7 more episodes of "Our Cartoon PResident" starts tonight: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/396946-our-cartoon-president-takes-on-mueller-probe-nato-and-melania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LD0506 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Quote To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism. It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again. Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Republicans are nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 like how do you watch that and stay on the same side? i want out of this world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c slag Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Seems like he had no idea that he was naming rap bands when trying to prove the science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I'm kinda confused. The first part sounded serious and the last part sounded decidedly like a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Wait what the hell even is that? I mean obviously the only thing important to these people is money. But how did they even find themselves in that position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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