Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

[zoony]

2 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

The sexual harrassment side of Clinton was pertinent, however infidelity can open a person up to blackmail. As such it was valid IMO. That said there was no $130,000 payoff made indirectly through the Trump’s attorney just prior to 2016 election and potentially from campaign funds..which is illegal. 

 

So lets not pretend that this story is just about chubby bald old man paid for sex fantasies.

 

Do you realize how easy it is to turn this around on Clinton?

 

That said, I was replying directly to your post that was making it about a mans sex fantasies, and the hypocrisy therein

[Riggo-toni]

Thomas Jefferson impregnated his late wife's 15 year old half sister.

Alexander Hamilton was blackmailed for having an affair with a married woman.

Benjamin Franklin often frequented brothels and extolled the benefits of sleeping with older women -because in the dark all women looked the same, but older women were "oh so grateful."

FDR had lots of affairs, including a long term one with his first cousin, and died in his favorite mistress's bed.

JFK shared a mistress with Sam Giancanna, head of organized crime in Chicago.

So many others...Harding, LBJ, Clinton, rumors of GHWB...

If there's one good thing that comes out of Stormy Daniels scandal, it's that hopefully Americans will grow up and stop obsessing over politicians' sexual proclivities.

[TradeTheBeal!]

Really could not care less about porn stars.

 

Now, Russian hookers?  That’s another matter entirely.

[Llevron]

On 3/16/2018 at 1:53 PM, Dan T. said:

 

Hypocrisy Bukkake

 

Anyway.....

 

The only reason any of this matters is because they paid her off a week before the election and it could be against the law. Stormy herself I could give a fug about. Same with whatever she did with Trump in the bedroom. Or Melania for that matter. We all know shes a trophy. Feel bad for his kid but thats what happens, I guess. 

 

What I want to know is if he broke the law and if so then what? 

[NoCalMike]

The affairs themselves are not usually the relevant incident, it's the denial and cover-ups that come afterwards that corner the politicians into doing something shady in order to try and keep it private.  

Clinton was never in any real trouble until he continually denied relations with Lewinsky and ended up perjuring himself under oath. We can argue all day back and forth if it was worth anyone's time and/or tax revenue to spend all the resources in order to corner Clinton into a lie (I personally don't) however it happened.  As much as the public claims it doesn't care about these scandals, coverage of them seem to drive good ratings and the politicians themselves hate them because it's ultimately going to likely ruin their family behind closed doors. 

[The Evil Genius]

8 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Anyway.....

 

The only reason any of this matters is because they paid her off a week before the election and it could be against the law. Stormy herself I could give a fug about. Same with whatever she did with Trump in the bedroom. Or Melania for that matter. We all know shes a trophy. Feel bad for his kid but thats what happens, I guess. 

 

What I want to know is if he broke the law and if so then what? 

 

It also matters if she (and her kid)  were threatened with violence by Trump's henchmen and/or lawyer(s).

 

That's criminal.

 

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

The other import stuff is Cohen using Trump org email and the package being sent from Trump Org.

[tshile]

I don’t care about stormy Daniels other than for the laugh but whatever gets this carnival barker out of office quickest (and without an overthrow or illegal act) is fine by me. 

 

 

[AsburySkinsFan]

5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

The other import stuff is Cohen using Trump org email and the package being sent from Trump Org.

Anyone who thinks that this wasn’t ENTIRELY directed by Trump is a fool. They thought they were being clever, and in typical Trumpian fashion they mucked it up.

[Bozo the kKklown]

5 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Anyone who thinks that this wasn’t ENTIRELY directed by Trump is a fool. They thought they were being clever, and in typical Trumpian fashion they mucked it up.

Yeah

 

I know the public, corporate media and right wing media wanted something loud and bombastic to cover and talk about, like a dick pic, but those letters are very significant to their case and to whether the payment violated FEC laws.

[RedskinsFan44]

The laughable thing about this is Trumpists defending the affair as no big deal while Trump and Cohen's official position continues to be the sex never happened.

 

Not so laughable, it makes the notion of Russian kompromat far more feasible.

[Llevron]

13 minutes ago, tshile said:

(and without an overthrow or illegal act) is fine by me. 

 

 

 

Ooooooo this a good one right here! So I want your opinion cause I know it will be interesting. 

 

You think it would be worth it to wait him out of office than some illegal act to push him out of there? You may be right. I just haven't thought about what could come next if something like that happened so I wanna know what you think. 

[AsburySkinsFan]

2 hours ago, zoony said:

 

Do you realize how easy it is to turn this around on Clinton?

 

That said, I was replying directly to your post that was making it about a mans sex fantasies, and the hypocrisy therein

The media weaves the story that sells, the Republicans ignore their own “moral compass” and excuse. Like has been said countless times, we don’t care that Trump hooked up with a porn star, personally, I’d have expected as much from that toad. It’s already been demonstrated that he’s a sexual predator and serial sexual abuser. If that didn’t shake the support from the GOPer supporters then nothing will. They’ll swallow anything. They are the supposed moral ones with a clear view of the moral compass, this is why they rejected Clinton. Hell, Newt founded the Moral Majority and then he used that moral conviction to impeach Clinton, who BTW made no illegal payoffs to Monica for her silence.

Trump’s current pornstar troubles are owed as much to the titilaring nature of his sins, as they are to the illegal payoffs and the lengths they went to in order to insure her silence, including the NDA under an assumed name that Trump never even bothered to sign.

[Dan T.]

2 hours ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

I'd hold off on that, for now.  His name was bound to come up in speculation of the threat seeing as he's smack in the middle of the payoff situation, so a preemptive denial isn't that out of place.

 

Now, if, say, Don Jr or Eric or Ivanka did the same thing, it'd be suspicious, since so far no one has tied them into this matter directly.

 

I should have added that in addition to issuing the denial, he demanded a retraction and an apology.  For an assertion that was never made.

[Dan T.]

21 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

The media weaves the story that sells, the Republicans ignore their own “moral compass” and excuse. Like has been said countless times, we don’t care that Trump hooked up with a porn star, personally, I’d have expected as much from that toad. It’s already been demonstrated that he’s a sexual predator and serial sexual abuser. If that didn’t shake the support from the GOPer supporters then nothing will. They’ll swallow anything. They are the supposed moral ones with a clear view of the moral compass, this is why they rejected Clinton. Hell, Newt founded the Moral Majority and then he used that moral conviction to impeach Clinton, who BTW made no illegal payoffs to Monica for her silence.

Trump’s current pornstar troubles are owed as much to the titilaring nature of his sins, as they are to the illegal payoffs and the lengths they went to in order to insure her silence, including the NDA under an assumed name that Trump never even bothered to sign.

 

This is an era when a U.S. Senator resigned from office because he posed for a photo - long before he was in office - pretending to cup a woman's breasts as a sophomoric joke.  

[LadySkinsFan]

3 hours ago, zoony said:

 

Do you realize how easy it is to turn this around on Clinton?

 

That said, I was replying directly to your post that was making it about a mans sex fantasies, and the hypocrisy therein

 

Clinton was fined almost $900k, lost his law license, was impeached in the House. IOW, he was punished for lying about a blowjob. 

 

It's looking like campaign finance laws were broken, and if Trump's got any brains he won't lie about it. But you know he will, he can't help himself. 

 

The rest remains to be seen.

[tshile]

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

 

Ooooooo this a good one right here! So I want your opinion cause I know it will be interesting. 

 

You think it would be worth it to wait him out of office than some illegal act to push him out of there? You may be right. I just haven't thought about what could come next if something like that happened so I wanna know what you think. 

 

When i said illegal act I was thinking something like an assassination. The act of removal being illegal, not that he got caught doing something illegal and was impeached. 

 

As as bad as I think he is I don’t think he deserves to die and I think something like that would be terrible for us as a country.  

 

I just didn’t want to say that word. 

[MartinC]

3 hours ago, Riggo-toni said:

If there's one good thing that comes out of Stormy Daniels scandal, it's that hopefully Americans will grow up and stop obsessing over politicians' sexual proclivities.

 

Its not the affairs themselves that are the issue (though that does say a lot about the personal ethics and morals of those involved - and in that respect Bill Clinton is at least as bad as Trump. As are many others of course). 

 

Its the cover ups, threats, potentially illegal pay offs and how this opens someone up to blackmail that is/are the issues.

 

Although watching born again fundamentalist Christians twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the morality side of this is at least somewhat entertaining.

[bearrock]

3 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

 

This is an era when a U.S. Senator resigned from office because he posed for a photo - long before he was in office - pretending to cup a woman's breasts as a sophomoric joke.  

 

On the rank of repugnant behavior, I think a President having an affair with a White House intern or what Franken did (if a grown man takes a picture cupping or pretending to cup a woman's breast, I don't think you can dust it off as a sophomoric joke) is more reprehensible than a rich man having an affair with a consenting porn star.  Even paying the porn star to keep things under wraps would be less disgusting than the above two.  The alleged threat and the potential election law violation is where this starts to get elevated.

 

Make no mistake, I find the supposed moral majority and poli-Christians backing Trump, Moore, etc to be disgusting and abhorrent.  But without the threat and the election law violation, Clinton and Franken did worse than Trump's affairs with Daniels and McDougal.  Xervos, we have a valid comparison.

[DogofWar1]

29 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

 

I should have added that in addition to issuing the denial, he demanded a retraction and an apology.  For an assertion that was never made.

Yeah, saw that and it did raise some eyebrows.  I suppose he could try to say he did it on Trump's behalf but that's hard to argue in its entirety.

[NoCalMike]

13 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

 

Clinton was fined almost $900k, lost his law license, was impeached in the House. IOW, he was punished for lying about a blowjob. 

 

It's looking like campaign finance laws were broken, and if Trump's got any brains he won't lie about it. But you know he will, he can't help himself. 

 

The rest remains to be seen.

 

Exactly. This revisionist history suggesting Clinton "got away with it" and didn't receive any punishment is a head scratcher. 

[Llevron]

 

32 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

When i said illegal act I was thinking something like an assassination. The act of removal being illegal, not that he got caught doing something illegal and was impeached. 

 

As as bad as I think he is I don’t think he deserves to die and I think something like that would be terrible for us as a country.  

 

I just didn’t want to say that word. 

 

 

Ah, ok. I was talking about something different. Never mind. I dont want him to die either. While I wouldn't miss him, I honestly think it would be the start to a new civil war. Fox, the Republicans and the Russians will make sure of that. 

[Llevron]

33 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

On the rank of repugnant behavior, I think a President having an affair with a White House intern or what Franken did (if a grown man takes a picture cupping or pretending to cup a woman's breast, I don't think you can dust it off as a sophomoric joke) is more reprehensible than a rich man having an affair with a consenting porn star.  Even paying the porn star to keep things under wraps would be less disgusting than the above two.  The alleged threat and the potential election law violation is where this starts to get elevated.

 

But without the threat and the election law violation, Clinton and Franken did worse than Trump's affairs with Daniels and McDougal.  

 

Please explain how. Please explain how you find it that this dude ****ing a porn star, unprotected, while his wife was nursing his baby and then ****ing a playboy model the same weekend BETTER than taking the picture Franken took. 

 

Please explain this better cause right now im not sure I follow. In what way, exactly, is what Trump did less disgusting than the picture? 

[Bozo the kKklown]

40 minutes ago, bearrock said:

On the rank of repugnant behavior, I think a President having an affair with a White House intern or what Franken did (if a grown man takes a picture cupping or pretending to cup a woman's breast, I don't think you can dust it off as a sophomoric joke) is more reprehensible than a rich man having an affair with a consenting porn star.  Even paying the porn star to keep things under wraps would be less disgusting than the above two.  The alleged threat and the potential election law violation is where this starts to get elevated.

Im sorry, but why are we comparing bad things people did again?

 

Do you think what Trump did was bad, yes or no? (having affairs while his wife was pregnant and nursing their child)

[Hersh]

49 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

On the rank of repugnant behavior, I think a President having an affair with a White House intern or what Franken did (if a grown man takes a picture cupping or pretending to cup a woman's breast, I don't think you can dust it off as a sophomoric joke) is more reprehensible than a rich man having an affair with a consenting porn star.  Even paying the porn star to keep things under wraps would be less disgusting than the above two.  The alleged threat and the potential election law violation is where this starts to get elevated.

 

Make no mistake, I find the supposed moral majority and poli-Christians backing Trump, Moore, etc to be disgusting and abhorrent.  But without the threat and the election law violation, Clinton and Franken did worse than Trump's affairs with Daniels and McDougal.  Xervos, we have a valid comparison.

 

Seriously? A picture, given the context and the fact that things don’t quite line up as the woman originally claimed, is worse than Trump having affairs?? That picture is more reprehensible than actual affairs? Wow.