If Josh decides to have the process here in 24, would you be for or against?

[88Comrade2000]

We all know Josh is cleaning house in January. Once his people are in place, what if they decide to implement the process here?  They decide to completely tear down the roster and do a true rebuild with their own players, they picked. They trade what players have value for draft picks and rebuild. Probably means a couple of bad years but they rebuild it correctly.

 

 

Would you be in favor of this or against it?

 

For me, if braintrust determined this was the best path; I’ll be all for it.

[redskinss]

I'll let you know when i see the results. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by redskinss

[Warhead36]

I'm absolutely okay with it. What do we have to lose? Its not like he's tearing down a perennial Super Bowl contender. We've never done a true full rebuild.

 

With that said, I want whomever he hires as the new GM to make that call. But assuming that's the route to go, I'd let the entire league know that EVERYONE is available for trade(except for guys who we can't trade because the acceleration in their cap hits would be crippling).

 

Gut it all.

[Stihl89]

1000% for. There’s not a single player on the team I’d be hurt losing. A true total from the ground rebuild is the one thing this team hasn’t done in 20+ years. Do it right 

[Riggo-toni]

If it gets to that point, they need to first replace the front office first.  Unlike Lord Farquaad, I like to believe Harris will look deep for the best personnel guy he can find.

[Professor_Nutter_Butter]

Mixed bag. Because then that likely means bye to McLaurin, Allen, Curl and possibly Dotson.

[RVAskins]

No way!! I  don't want to get rid of McLaurin, Allen, Payne, Howell and several other key players. That would be stupid and probably unfeasible considering contracts. I say you stick with your core players and then build around them. By now we know who the core players are.

 

Winning starts at the top. Get the best coaches. Get the best scouting department. Hire people who excel at their job and you'll start seeing the results on the field. And finally, stop wasting 1st and 2nd round draft pics on players who don't and can't contribute from day one. We keep screwing up the early rounds of the draft.

Edited October 6, 2023 by RVAskins

[CobraCommander]

I'm assuming this is in reference to the sixers. It's a little bit easier to execute trades in the NBA it would seem, especially three team deals. 

[BurgundyBooger]

Not in favor.

 

Even those franchises Bill Parcells turned around seemingly overnight maintained remnants of the previous regime, though not many. 

 

We're talking about just players, right? All personnel, coaches, and assistants can go, for all I care.

Edited October 6, 2023 by BurgundyBooger

[Csup]

As long as somebody with a proven track record is overseeing the process I have no problem with it.   Hire a GM first and let him hire the coach and decide on the path of this team.  
 

 

[xxprodigyxx]

as long as the process doesn't have 76ers results and we don't have to sign ben simmons to a long term deal, sure.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It barely works in the NBA (if it actually works).

 

I don't see it working in the NFL at all.

[skinsmania123]

I actually do not want to lose Howell.  The guy is steady, smart, quick learner, has an excellent arm and even with this **** O line has come through.  I want to keep him, Terry, Dotson, Allen and Payne.  I am still up in the air on Chase. 

[Koolblue13]

That is not about to happen and it's pointless to even bring it up.

[NoVaSkins21]

You can't do a complete tear down because means starting from scratch and there are good players to build around.

[KDawg]

Who are we trading?

[Daniel.redskins]

It depends on how good Howell and EB develop.  Really too early for this conversation.  But I do agree with you that Ron is gone.  

[PeterMP]

This isn't something that is as feasible in the NFL because of the differences in salary cap and signing bonuses.

 

And then as part of that, taking back bad contracts isn't as easy.  A lot of part of a process in the NBA is taking back bad contracts and getting additional assets.

 

Let's consider trading McLaurin.  There are two problems, first his signing bonus affects our cap.  Starting next season even per a year, he makes a good bit of money so that then also affects the other teams cap.  In the NBA, you'd balance that out by taking back a bad contract and get even more in the trade by doing so.  But anybody they have making much money also probably had a signing bonus and so as soon as the other team trades that player that affects their cap.

 

Often the big trades (e.g. Tyreek Hill) are still on rookie contracts so are cheap.  The Mcafferey trade got the Panthers a 2nd, 3rd and 2 4th round picks.  But that makes it not the same as a process in the NBA where a good part of the objective is to get picks that can turn into high picks to get elite players.

 

The Sixers process started with trading Jrue Holiday.  Who was that lower level All Star player.  That got the Sixers the 6th pick over all in that draft and a top 5 protected future first round pick.  A similar player doesn't get a similar haul in the NFL because differences in the salary cap and how signing bonuses are counted.

[Redskins 2021]

 Tear parts down the defense is very overrated.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

If they have a plan, any plan, that is based on an overarching philosophy and that they stick to, it will be an improvement over the previous ownership.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[Renegade7]

It's a different sport where one hit on a high draft pick can almost automatically make you a playoff team in the NBA...in NFL nothing matters unless you hit on QB.

 

A big reason why is the rosters are smaller, as is number of players on the field at one time.  You have one elite player on the floor for an NBA team, sometimes that's enough if the other teams doesn't. 

 

We have at least two hits on first round picks on the dline alone with Allen and Payne yet the defense gave up 40 points last night.

 

It's not that simple in the NFL, NBA stars also play offense and defense, so hitting on a player in the NFL only typically helps one side of the ball, not potentially both.

 

[Llevron]

1 hour ago, PeterMP said:

This isn't something that is as feasible in the NFL because of the differences in salary cap and signing bonuses.

 

And then as part of that, taking back bad contracts isn't as easy.  A lot of part of a process in the NBA is taking back bad contracts and getting additional assets.

 

Let's consider trading McLaurin.  There are two problems, first his signing bonus affects our cap.  Starting next season even per a year, he makes a good bit of money so that then also affects the other teams cap.  In the NBA, you'd balance that out by taking back a bad contract and get even more in the trade by doing so.  But anybody they have making much money also probably had a signing bonus and so as soon as the other team trades that player that affects their cap.

 

Often the big trades (e.g. Tyreek Hill) are still on rookie contracts so are cheap.  The Mcafferey trade got the Panthers a 2nd, 3rd and 2 4th round picks.  But that makes it not the same as a process in the NBA where a good part of the objective is to get picks that can turn into high picks to get elite players.

 

The Sixers process started with trading Jrue Holiday.  Who was that lower level All Star player.  That got the Sixers the 6th pick over all in that draft and a top 5 protected future first round pick.  A similar player doesn't get a similar haul in the NFL because differences in the salary cap and how signing bonuses are counted.

If you were paid to try it here, how would you do it? I’m curious 

[BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen]

4 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

We all know Josh is cleaning house in January. Once his people are in place, what if they decide to implement the process here?  They decide to completely tear down the roster and do a true rebuild with their own players, they picked. They trade what players have value for draft picks and rebuild. Probably means a couple of bad years but they rebuild it correctly.

 

 

Would you be in favor of this or against it?

 

For me, if braintrust determined this was the best path; I’ll be all for it.

 

Not meaning to sound sarcastic by stating the obvious, but the HOG doesn't really care what we think of it. It's their team and they can, and will, do what they want...just like the last guy who just got run out of town.

 

But it's correct that we'll have to wait and see...I'm sure HOG will be very careful about who he hires, and fans may have to be patient for a few years...because at least S N Y D E R is gone.

[PeterMP]

45 minutes ago, Llevron said:

If you were paid to try it here, how would you do it? I’m curious 

 

If I could get paid what the executives of the big 3 sports get paid to run a team, I'd do it pretty much do it no matter what the owner wanted me to do (as long as it wasn't illegal or get me into a law suit).  I'd happily be somebody's Vinny Cerrato, come onto a message board with my full name, and laugh at the fans that complained at the moves I was making (at the owner's bequest).

 

Yeah, I'm not saying it can't work in the NFL.  It just doesn't come with the advantages it does to the NBA (where realistically, for teams that aren't in cities that have something to draw players in the "process" is now standard.  It is realistically what OKC and Houston have done.  The Sixers process ended up being extremely extended because they ended up with some high picks that weren't very good (e.g. Nerlenes Noel), and the ones that they did get that were good had injuries where Embiid missed his first 2 years and Simmons missed his first year.  But the idea is generally now the common approach in the NBA, except for elite cities.)

 

The key to getting it to work vs your normal NFL rebuild would be to get a good coach with a good coaching staff that buys in.  Drafting a bunch of young guys and not getting them the training they need is going to do more harm than good.

 

But in the end, it is still going to be about how much you understand value and do a good job drafting.  If you understand value and draft well, any team can rebuild in the NFL without going through something like a process because you don't get the same value for your assets and taking back bad contracts.  There also seems to be less of a desire by NFL stars to go to certain cities making it less necessary to build a championship team.  

[Ball Security]

Looking at over the cap, we have 40 guys under contract including two specialists. Then we have two guys that aren’t really part of the team in Drew White and Shaka Toney. So let’s call it 36 out 50 before determining who we need to dump.

 

We have about $100M in cap space plus a few big contracts that can be restructured if need be.

 

This would have Young, Sweat, Fuller, Curl, Gibson, Charles, and Smith-Williams as the main guys walking out the door.

 

The point being that the new GM will have a lot of flexibility, cap wise, to reshape the team.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Ball Security