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I don't know. I can't wait to hear the process they went through to come to their decision, whoever it is.

I said the same thing relative to Daniels. But I think your 100% right about Maye as well. I guess the thing I don't get @KDawg is if there is so much concern about injury risk, why wouldn't you take Maye over Daniels? I don't think it is worth taking a guy that could burn bright for a season or two and then crumble, literally. I am glad I am not making the decision. I have already admitted I am leaning more towards Daniels.

I think some of the videos of Jayden getting blown up being that "dog" in college have been overemphasized, to the point that his competencies and assets are overlooked. I do agree with posters that point out that some of his tendencies will NOT fly in the NFL. He will be destroyed if he does that in the NFL. But with that said, he has made some adjustments to his game, which means he is not too stubborn to learn. RG3 in my opinion, is a very fixed stubborn personality. Sometimes you just have to adjust to thrive. I am thinking JD can with proper coaching, and relying on his teammates.

I thought the same thing earlier in the thread. Why would he care if goes 2nd or 3rd? He sure doesn't care. After all the **** this kid has been through, he is just happy to be here. I have never, until now, heard anything regarding character concerns. Geez it is almost like a re-run of Williams and his mother. Bring on the draft.

I know not all evaluators of QB talent are always correct and trust our FO to make the right decision. I mean even watching Daniels play and Maye play I have clearly walked away with different observations then a lot of posters on here. And I will admit many of you on here know a lot more then myself. All I have is my own perceptions based upon what I see. I admit I am a just fan of NFL football. But I did go out my way to support Daniels because I think he is better than Maye at this juncture and I believe in his ability to further adjust, so I see a lot more upside for him with proper coaching and good conditioning. With that being said I noticed that Kiper, was all in on Daniels in comparison to Maye. I think he has made some good observations. Some of you have even pointed out that at times that Maye is inconsistent and does not always deliver the ball accurately. Also, I agree Daniels had superior receivers, but he delivered the ball accurately. This is what Kiper said: Mel Kiper Jr. debates value of Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye as NFL Draft prospects (on3.com) “Drake Maye had three games, even after Tez Walker came back — Clemson game, Virginia game, NC State game — I keep harping on it because I went back and looked at those games time and time again. I said, ‘OK, why were those throws not accurately delivered?’ There was no reason. I think you look at Jayden, how many games like that did he have? Zero.

I know. I was screwing around with one of the posters.

I am going to say your 100% correct about that. But you still have to get the ball them in stride.

One of the reasons that Daniel's won the Heisman was his pass completion rate. Also, when you look at the number of yards he threw, as I have said in other posts, the yards were comparable to both Williams and Maye. So, it is not as though he can't complete passes accurately and just takes off. That is just not true. But he has used his legs more because he is a dual-threat QB, and they designed plays for him. He will have to make some adjustments. I really do not think it is going to take a long time. He can rely on his ability to pass and to be accurate. This is why I think we really need to pick up a big, bodied receiver and an excellent TE receiver. And I think he would be great with Terry and Jahan. I really think this guy can be coached up. Some QB's can't. One concern I have is the strength of our O line. If it is not substantially better than it was for Howell, and we draft Daniels forget it. He would develop so many bad habits, all the concerns you are raising will happen. But they already added some pieces, and they will add more through the draft. I think we could run a very fast offense with him. He is ahead of some of the other prospects, and yes, he has played longer in college, and right now that is a plus. So, his development is key. That to me is the most important element for any young QB who comes into the league. I think we have the coaches to get the most out of him and ensure longevity if he listens.

LOL! Your right do you know the two QB;'s that did? And Roger Staubach I think.

Two and he will be the third. Joe Montana is one.

I can't figure out how he had so many completions then. The guy won the Heisman. He had an amazing year, and I think it is transferable even though some on here actually said college stats don't matter. Yes, completions matter. The ability to use your legs in the modern NFL matters. I don't think he is going to get killed in the NFL. I think he will continue to make adjustments like rookies have to. I think the will pass the tests.

That is not true. He threw for more yards than Maye, as a comparison. Caleb threw for around 4,500 I believe and he threw for about 3,800.

He had just as many yards passing, meaning comparable to the top prospects. Caleb Williams had 4,500, and he had 3,800. Maye had around 3500. I have not checked the other QB's on running the ball, but he definitely had about 500 more in terms of yardage in running the ball then they did, if my memory is correct. So, his running is not supplemental IMO to his passing.

But isn't that the beauty of having a QB that can use his legs? I mean how many QB's get pressured and fold like a cheap tent? I think that is the beauty of this guy, and what @Dah-Deeposted agree with regarding Daniels. Does he need to make some adjustments? Yes. Does every rookie QB that comes in have to make adjustments? Yes. I know many of you think he cannot adjust. He already did. Can he make more adjustments? Absolutely with a decent staff. I think we have the right staff plus Mariotta to get the best out of Daniels if they choose to go in that direction.

Honestly, and I just said it, I think he will adjust on this level. I don't see the same personality as RG3. And I still think he took a lot more unnecessary hits at Arizona. I kind of agree with what @Llevron said about him not taking certain risks and playing a bit more like Mahomes. I think he can be coached up. I do not think RG3 took coaching. I think Daniels has and will.

I think anyone who views Daniels as having the potential to succeed in the NFL would have to also acknowledge that he needs to continue to adjust so he can realistically be our QB years from now. The question is do we have the QB coach, O Coordinator, conditioning staff who can work with him so he can have longevity. And I say yes. Does he really have a run first mentality? I looked at the top prospects passing numbers, and I admit, only from last year, and they were all fairly comparable in terms of yardage. Where he exceeded was of course in the "off script" running you mentioned. His total yards were around 5,000. I honestly think he can. He has already made some adjustments. And more adjustments can be drilled into him.

Fair enough. That was a great analogy. I had to laugh. But I honestly I like him and I think he can stay healthy.

I just watched what you posted, and I see stuff like that every Sunday with QB's. The bottom line is can they get up and continue? I know Andrew Luck couldn't after a few years. And I hope that is not Daniel's. I just don't see him as RG3 except from a dual-threat perspective. That one video, the guy was barreling down on his head and got called for it. If that **** happens every week, find me any QB in the NFL that could take hit after hit like that and not be horribly injured. Who do you think they should take if not him?

I have watched a lot of tape on Daniel's at LSU. Can you direct me to a few? Because I did not see then as massive at LSU. Sure he took some hits, they all do. To me it is how you handle it.

Fair enough. But IMO most QB's take some massive hits. It is part of the game. Point is he handled it at LSU. In Arizona he was crushed.

That is fine I have not been on here for a few days because of work, so my apologies. And just to be clear. All I am saying is that I think Daniel's has made adjustments in his game so I am not concerned about an injury. But I 100% the rehashing gets old. And you have solid takes. I can't wait for the draft...lol!

I mean he had over 3,800 yards passing last year. Compared to 3,600 passing yards for Maye. I mean yes, Daniel's had a lot of rushing yards, but his passing yards were comparable to other QB's.

Yes, I agree about the hits with RG3. The guy did not even know how to slide. And it seems based upon everything I have read that Daniels has changed his approach, so he does not take those types of hits like he did at Arizona which led to those injuries. I can see the concern, however. I used to think that RG3 had a good long ball, but what happened after he was injured? He just did not seem able to make that adjustment to just being a drop back passer because of the prior injury. He did not make those reads accurately, so he took a lot of sacks. And if your opponents, like when he was at Baylor know the threat is there for him to run, the type of pressure is different.

I think they are very different personalities. RG3 was stubborn and not willing to make adjustments. Jayden Daniels has proven to be the exact opposite. He was injury prone at Arizona. When he went to LSU he took feedback. He learned to protect himself and not take unnecessary risks. He changed his conditioning routine; he changed his diet to add more muscle for durability. And most of all, even if he does run, and you do need a dual-threat QB in this league, just watching him his first and second instinct is NOT to run. How he has evolved as a player is really overlooked a lot IMO. Unlike an RG3 and more like Kirk Cousin's he has evolved as a player. And he has a solid long ball. No, it is not the best, but it is decent. I think with this type of personality, and dedication to his craft he will evolve and continue to get better. I am okay with either Daniels or Maye.

I think there is a big difference between possible physiological limitations, and the potential to be damaged goods, which is how Daniel's is being described by some and correctable issues such as the footwork drawbacks of Maye's. Sounds as though some believe Daniels will not survive in the NFL. That he is too frail. We know what happened to RG3 because he did not know how to protect himself. But RG3 was also a super stubborn personality IMO and did not make certain adjustments. I wonder based upon what Daniel's has learned in his long college career, and the adjustments he made in terms of his conditioning and adding muscle, if some of that won't transfer over to the NFL. He needed to put on more weight and muscle. He has a good arm and can make the throws. Honestly, I would be happy with either Maye or Daniels.