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No, that is not what I think. I think he did not have enough playing time as a college prospect to be effective in the NFL. He was foisted into the position due to another Dan Snyder blunder. He played in 15 games over 2 seasons with the Commanders and compiled a total QBR of 29.4. The league average was 63.5 during that period. The guy threw 12 touchdowns to 14 interceptions. In college he started ONLY 14 games, and his own coach was surprised he declared for the draft. You know you are interesting to me @mistertim. You keep saying you need to see Jayden Daniels in game time action to see if he is the real deal. The guy spent I think, a total of 5 years in college, at two different schools, learning from mistakes, honing his skills, making adjustments to protect his body, and making decisions IMO with some foresight that maybe, just maybe he would have a better chance at success on the NFL level, if he applied himself on the college level. Get as much experience as you can. You have never speculated that maybe IF Haskins had spent say 3 years in college, he could have developed his skill set and gain THE EXPERIENCE to succeed on the NFL level. He did not have enough experience. And he did not have good people advising him IMO. I look at this Manning kid who plays for Texas, and you do not hear him trying to manipulate his way onto the field. He is in his second year and knows he is going to be the #2, but understands he needs to learn, and grow and he says over and over he will get his shot. That is how someone who wants to be successful does things IMO. The game action he has seen, albeit limited, he has done well.

You discussed his work ethic and I think it was a lot more than that. You can be in the NFL for years and be "dedicated" and still have many of the issues Haskins had. He lacked some abilities, a skill set good QB's need to be successful in the NFL, and it was exposed. So, I am not agreeing with you. And you can find many analysts that have said the same things about Haskins.

I do not think it was simply a lack of work ethic and maturity with Haskins. I never thought he adapted to the speed of the NFL. He was slow getting through his progressions and lacked situational awareness. And his accuracy was abysmal. Now if had spent two more years playing at Ohio State maybe he would have been more prepared. But what we do know was that Haskins was a Dan pick. But some of Haskins's issues were evident in camp. Daniels who was chosen by an actual NFL GM is a real student of the game. He spent the time necessary in college honing his craft. He is quick getting through his progressions and is accurate. Will it translate over into actual NFL games? Yeah, I think it will. He is doing everything to get better. How you practice, how you show up, how you hone your skills matters IMO.

It was the most imbalanced offensive schemes (**** can we even call it that!) I ever saw. I would cringe knowing what was coming. And even defensive players would say they knew what was going to be called. A pass of course. I am really stoked to see what they are going to do with Robinson this year.

So here is an analyst who knows a lot more about evaluating players then most. When watching Jayden I never thought he left the pocket prematurely or "whenever" he felt pressure, which has been suggested by some. Secondly, yes, RG3 tried to develop into a pocket passer, but he couldn't. Daniels already is a pocket passer who also happens to have great wheels. A solid skillset that you could design some great plays around because he is not just a runner. If something happened and he was slowed down, he would still be a solid pocket passer.

This is exactly why they drafted him. Sure, there are no guarantees. He could get hurt. But after watching him and listening to him, I wanted him more than any other QB in the draft. I think most fans made the RG3 comparison because of his perceived fragility. I compared him to RG3 in multiple ways. I think Jayden has a better mindset and is more dedicated to his craft. I think overall he is more mentally flexible. I think he is a better passer then RG3. AND unlike RG3 he enjoys watching tape and embraces game preparation. You have to take risks with this type of talent.

I think the offense is going to be better this year. The play calling alone has to improve the flow of the unit, over the predictable bull **** from last year. Solid acquisitions in the draft and FA. The D is improved at LB & CB. Areas we have struggled with for what seems forever. I do think the team goes the way Daniel's goes. If he is solid, I see 10 wins and a playoff berth.

I agree. He went through so much in college and he just kept plugging away. You have to love the game of football and be strong minded to overcome as much as he did in college. Sounds like he is not taking anything for granted. His studying is going to pay dividends. I love hearing that. What separated Peyton Manning IMO from other QB's was his ability was to read defenses. It certainly was not his arm talent. He used to say jokingly "I throw ducks." You think of Brady and Manning, and they were meticulous in their preparation for upcoming games. I think Daniels is following in their footsteps.

LOL! You are probably right. No one would want to watch the bottom dwellers of the NFC East, but of course I would love it.

Peter Schrager predicted the last 3 SB winners, so he may be right. I would love that. And this time come out on top against the Giants. That would be another turning the corner moment for me as a fan.

Interesting. I appreciate you taking the time to share that. I have watched him a number of times and thought he had a lot of potential. He has a huge arm. I agree with you about the "touch" issue, it has been bought up numerous times in scouting reports, and yes, I do think he could be worked with on that. I guess we will see how he pans out. I just think there is so much work with there.

No, I am not saying that at all. I just think Milton is underrated. He has had an injury history, and that has hurt him. He has a great arm, can extend plays, elude pressure, etc. A good dual-threat QB. He is underrated is my main point.

Just the general direction of the conversation regarding him. My apologies. I meant "tenor." There were a number of people hammering him, and I did not think he deserved it. He was my choice at #2.

Come on how many first round QB's fizzled. A lot. Let's see what happens with Milton. He has good accuracy down field. He has had injuries, but I just think he is going to surprise some people. I do.

I am enjoying the tenure of the conversation regarding Daniels. He is definitely most pro-ready based upon what I am reading coming out of some of these mini camps. I am glad to hear he is bigger than some thought, that he has solid rapport with other players, etc. And most of all that he has a solid passing game. I know the comparisons to RG3, but I just think Daniels is a better passer. You can't just have legs in the NFL, which we learned with RG3. I am also reading that Caleb is struggling throwing the ball over the middle and they are comparing that to some of Justin Fields struggles when he was with Chicago. Not sure I am 100% buying that. It seems to me that as the #1 pick you should be able to do that fairly consistently. As far as New England is concerned, I am thinking Brissett will get the start and Joe Milton may even serve as his backup. New England stocked up at QB, and they are going to play whoever is showing up the best. They are talking about how well Milton sets his feet and how beautiful his long ball is. Some aspects of Maye's game that were picked apart on here, regarding footwork, according to the sports media is showing up in the rookie mini camp for him. BUT I think he will be bought along in a manner that he can succeed. That is a weak roster over in New England. I just do not think he will see the field this year, and I think Milton is no slouch. He may pass him on the depth chart.