kleese

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  1. kleese

    Season Ticket Holders Mutiny

    This isn’t true. I wish it was because there would be a better chance for a change. Snyder is a life long die hard fan. This is a major rarity in sports ownership. Most owners did not grow up loving the team they eventual own, they made the purchase out of opportunity. The Redskins are a passion for Dan. Obviously, like all business owners, money matters too. But the financial structure of the NFL totally protects bad owners from themselves. The revenue sharing is so vast that you can basically do everything wrong and still get rewarded. They dropped the TV blackout rule several years ago by the way... aarendance and ticket sales are a drop in the bucket for these teams. Barely makes a dent. The massive TV revenue is what fuels it. And that is split evenly, and merchandising is also redistributed. So even if no one watches Redskins-Dolphins tomorrow, it doesn’t matter. Those owners will still get paid on the backs of the overall success of the league. Now, an empty stadium or a stadium filled with opposing fans can be embarrassing for sure. But we’ve seen this consistently for well over a deacde now and it really hasn’t seemed to make much of a difference. In other words, there really are very few ways fans can “hit” Snyder in the wallet.
  2. Right but it’s their own content. They more or less HAVE to post Redskins-related items. No sense to me in posting a “congrats Nats” post that will 100% be turned away from congratulating the Nats. And if I’m the Nats, I’d probably prefer to just keep my distance from the Redskins anyway.
  3. The Redskins absolutely should NOT be tweeting out anything right now. If they do, the comments section will turn into a disaster the minute they do it and any good they intended will be long forgotten. If I’m the social media manager for the team currently I am laying as low as humanely possible.
  4. kleese

    The day it all went south: November 5, 2000

    From 1993-1998 we went: 4-12 3-13 6-10 9-7 8-7-1 6-10 That last one (1998) started off 0-7. That was Norv’s fifth season and we never made the playoffs and then regressed from being just average. Total failure at that juncture. The only reason Norv didn’t get fired was because the ownership deal was held up for so long. Then 1999 comes around and we get some good luck. That team wasn’t all that great, but the division/conference was super weak that year—- TWO 8-8 teams made the playoffs in the NFC and we went 10-6 while managing not to be a team over .500 all season long (until last game of year when both us and Dolphins rested everyone). We beat a terrible Lions team in the playoffs; we wound up in Tampa sort of just by skating along and finally not blowing games to teams we should beat. It was clearly Norv’s finest hour. But of course we DID manage to blow that game in pretty memorable/heartbreaking fashion. No doubt I’d take a repeat of a “lucky” 1999 season one thousand times over right now... but that season was probably more of the sun shining on a dogs rear more so than anything truly substantial. Snyder took over a situation that wasn’t very good— AT BEST in flux and struggling. He then proceeded to make it worse and has never been able to figure out how to fix it.
  5. kleese

    The day it all went south: November 5, 2000

    I would ascribe probably 90-95% of our current state directly to Snyder, leaving a 5-10% gap for the stadium design/location itself and some bad luck such as your best player in 25 years being murdered in the middle of a season, the Mara cap penalty, various major injuries, etc. My point in going so far back was to illustrate the history of the organization really isn’t THAT strong. And to be perfectly honest, the only sustained glory we’ve had was during the Beathard/Gibbs pocket where JKC struck gold. Credit to JKC for not getting in the way and screwing that up. But he was also fortunate to be around when he was— he probably wouldn’t last a year in the NFL now with his various shenanigans, comments, etc. And specifically I think it’s inpoetsnt to note that when Snyder took over in 1999, things were NOT going well AT ALL. He wasn’t tasked with not messing us up— he was tasked with fixing us. Obviously, he has failed miserably at that task.
  6. kleese

    The day it all went south: November 5, 2000

    When it comes to looking back at the past 25 years, the drum I've always banged is that I think too many people forget the PRE-Snyder misery of 1993-1998. That's six full seasons before any of us even knew who Snyder was. Now, I don't say any of this to absolve Snyder-- he's had 20 years-- clearly if he knew what he was doing, he would have figured it out by now. There is absolutely no other way to categorize his ownership as anything other than a complete and utter failure. However, in terms of ruining the "rich history" of the Redskins, I gotta say, I think there is some revisionist stuff in there. First of all, from the mid 1940's through the very end of the 1960's the Redskins were one of the worst franchises in the NFL. And the had an owner that was a fairly open racist/bigot even for the time. Things started to change in 1969, when Vince Lombardi came on board and (probably not coincidentally) George Preston Marshall passed away. The Redskins then went on a 20-ish year run of great times for the fans. The 70's were good/enjoyable and then the 80's/very early 90's were magnificent. Of course we all know what happened after. But the reality is that for the last 75 years of Redskins football, well over 50 of them have been lousy and marked by poor/embarrassing ownership. We had on glorious stretch. And if you are of a certain age (somewhere in the neighborhood of fans that are currently 40-55 years old) you "grew up" with the Redskins as a model organization. If you are older than that you experienced both ends of the misery. If you are younger, you've only seen the latest era of dysfunction. But I just can't forget 1993-1998 and the terrible mistakes were made that helped us down this path. Those years (especially 1995-1998) remain my most painful memories as a Redskin fan. This is due in part to the fact that I was not yet EXPECTING misery and still had real hope of winning big. Now, I am content with a 9-7 season where we kinda, sorta compete. But those amazing ways we found to lose games in those mid 90's seasons were just devastating at the time. Beyond the losses, Jack Kent Cooke made some pretty bad choices in his final years. Obviously, the way he left the team in his will remains curious and crippled us in the late 90's and ultimately led to an "outsider" being able to purchase the team. He was also a MAJOR champion for both Charley Casserly and Norv Turner-- a truly disastrous duo. And he was also the man behind the move to Raljon/Landover and leaving DC. They built a stadium that trended exactly the opposite of how stadiums would be built (city center, aesthetically pleasing, convenient) in the coming years. You can blame Snyder for a lot of things, but the location of the stadium, the design of the stadium, the amenities in the area around the stadium... none of that is on him. Please understand again, that in no way should this be taken as a "defense" of Snyder. He's really, really bad at this. But he didn't get us here completely by himself.
  7. kleese

    The day it all went south: November 5, 2000

    This is half true. The ole’ college try actually doesn’t matter to me. The only thing I feel the Redskins “owe” me is to play the games as they are scheduled. From there it’s up to me to support, ignore, enjoy, discard, etc. At this point, anyone who claims they were “duped” or fooled into being excited... well, I don’t know what to tell you. Since 1993 I’d rank the Redskins AT BEST as the number 27th franchise in the NFL in terms of enjoyment given to fans. Browns, Bills, Bengals, Dolphins, Lions all in the bottom mix. You could rank the Redskins anywhere in there and I wouldn’t argue. But have I “enjoyed” it? Yes. It would probably take a long psychological profile to explain it, but this is ultimately a leisure activity and if I spend 25+ years pursuing a leisure activity that brings me no enjoyment, well, that’s really, really weird/sad. As for the premise of the thread. I do think the roots of our fall into the abyss began in earnest in 2000. That was a legitimately good team that just screwed it all up. Had some mix of bad luck too, but that roster wa solid. Snyder got a lot of grief for the off season spending spree, but most of it was on D and the team got WAY better on that side of the ball in 2000. The issue was that the offense regressed. Johnson wasn’t nearly as effective (and really he started to slide off as 1999 went on), Westbrook got hurt, and our kicking game was a mess. No doubt that Arizona game was a killer. But bouncing back to beat the Rams I felt at the time erased that loss. They were still in a good spot at 7-4. Basically just don’t lose BOTH home games to Eagles/Giants the next two weeks and they probably at least get a wild card. Well, they did lose both of course (by a total of five points). I’ll never forget the look on Norv’s face when he sent Eddie Murray out there to kick that last FG against the Giants. He knew, I knew it, Eddie knew it, everyone knew it. He had NO chance to make it. Yet Norv did it anyway despite the fact that the fourth down was makable.
  8. kleese

    Erosion Of The Redskins Fanbase

    Nothing has changed for me. Still the same since the early 80s in terms of tuning in and being locked in each week. It’s a conscious choice and I still enjoy the routine and being a fan. I like chasing the good moments even as those “moments” become much more fleeting. Even just last year we had that win over Dallas which was really fun and enjoyable. It’s also a MAJOR stretch if that’s the high point of a season or even of a couple of seasons. I get that. But for me personally I don’t feel I’ll be able to enjoy the rare good days if I’m not locked in for the bad ones too. But I understand that I’m rare. The fan base isn’t dying. It’s dead. Truth is we were never probably as strong of a fan base as somewhere like Buffalo or Cleveland— two other franchises that have been MISERABLE but have maintained strong fan interest/numbers. Its over. They missed a generation that they won’t get back. And if your’re a lifer that has called it quits they probably won’t get you back either— it’s sort of a hard line to cross back over. So they maintain a small % of fans like me who are lifelong die hards that haven’t faded and they have another small % of “new” fans that choose to root for the home team regardless and/or for other reasons. Now, if they are ever good again, people will show up and TV ratings will go up. That’s just the way it works. If Haskins is the real deal and he’s rattling off wins a year from now, the stadium will have more Skins fans in attendenade and there will be more general chatter about the team. But it won’t be like the old days. That’s done. I’ll end with this as I have many times on ES over the years: I made one trip to RFK— in 1994, three years removed from a Super Bowl Title— Norv’s first season. We were terrible and we played the 49ers that day who went on to win the SB. It was a very disappointing experience. There was no atmosphere. Not many empty seats, but it was fairly empty in the 4th quarter and it wasn’t loud or intense or anything at any point in the game. Fans had basically checked out. So I think we probably overrated ourselves a bit over the years. Of course it was pretty easy to make a stadium rock when you are a SB contender for a decade. I am not absolving Snyder here just saying Skins fan probably shouldn’t have ever been classified with some other fan bases.
  9. Need to be in Twin Cities for work the Monday of the MNF game against the Bears. Was planning to probably just watch in hotel room, but was curious if anyone knew of a spot where local Skins fans gathered? I know a lot of cities have them, but haven’t been able to find anything via google. Any help would be appreciated.
  10. kleese

    Redskins vs Cowboys Prediction Thread: Early Season Battle

    For those that follow the Vegas angle.... opened at 6 and was bet DOWN to 4.5 and even 4 in some spots. That is 100% “sharp” money. The public is no doubt going to push the line back up. But for the record, the guys that do it for a living went heavy on the skins early.
  11. kleese

    Skin -(A)-: S.C.L Thread

    ATS, the Redskins are definitely the smarter bet this week. There are other games I like more this week (Colts, Jags, Panthers to name a few), but the Skins are the right side based on everything we know about public betting and recent trends. The last 23 week 1 Division match ups in the NFL the underdog is 18-4-1.
  12. I put Jay Gruden into the DHall and Josh Norman Redskins category of people who are unfairly the focal point of misplaced frustration/anger. Especially DHall... the most under-appreciated player by the fans in all my years of following the team. I like Jay. Quite a bit actually. I’d stop short of saying I “love” him or calling him “great,” but I think it’s unfair to rip our FO to shreds and NOT then grade Jay on a curve. I think we all agree that the top of the FO is a mess. Very poor leadership and either a total neutral or negative in the tone-setting department. Also not good in the consistency department. So for me, a coach that can consistently win between 7-9 games here is probably equivalent to a coach that can consistently win 9-11 games with a “normal” organization. Jay is a good offensive mind and while I don’t think he is a Lombardi-like leader, I do think he has a quality that makes guys like/play hard for him. He is accountable and he treats people well, including the media. He’s never taken the bait and almost always chooses the high road despite the fact that his bosses have often left him twisting in the wind. He has a certain confidence that I like. And honestly, he also seems like a genuinely funny/good guy. I think he is a solid head coach in the NFL. Now, perhaps to succeed in Washington, it is going to take a very, very SPECIAL head coach and not merely a solid/good one. But I respect Jay and I believe he has held this together. The Redskins have not been a joke on the field under his stewardship. They’ve been middling. And middling here is above where the bar was previously set.
  13. kleese

    Reuben Foster carted off on 2nd snap of OTA's

    But here’s the deal... the devil, the bad guy, the nemesis, the antagonist... in every story those characters at some point are dominant or powerful or fear inducing. Maybe the good guy wins in the end, but for awhile there the anti-Christ looks like he might rule the world. Imagine if Darth Vader was just a stumbling, bumbling, babbling fool from the start of the movie... would have made the accomplishment of taking him down much less impressive and dramatic for Luke and crew. So if Snyder the bad guy, the evil emperor, the menacing ruler, there should be something to show for it. But thats the thing. He’s not evil. He’s not the bad guy. He’s not the anti-Christ. He’s just a socially awkward guy with poor people and leadership skills that doesn’t quite understand how to inspire those around him. The biggest misconception about Snyder is that he wants the glory or the spotlight. I don’t think that’s true at all. He’s a borderline recluse. I think he really wants the team to win and just desperately wants to be invited to the party when they do. He wants to be in the champagne bath. He just doesn’t know how to make it happen. The anti-Christ is much more slick and dangerous.
  14. kleese

    Reuben Foster carted off on 2nd snap of OTA's

    I look forward to people blaming this on Gruden for not pushing them hard enough on the first play of OTA’s.
  15. kleese

    Would you want HBO Hard Knocks to feature us this year?

    Because the notion of a rookie QB making progress while not being very good is becoming a thing of the past. Baker Mayfield came in last year and in one game was already as effective as Tyrod Taylor who’d been starting in the league for years. Dak, Luck, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, etc.... all guys that were legitimately good right from the very beginning. The guys that struggle early and then blossom are now the exception, not the rule. I think a guy like Gabbert you saw him in two starts and it was like, “uh oh, he can’t play.” If Haskins is going to be a good QB in the NFL someday, he will likely at least be a solid starter by any standard in year one.