A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[TD_washingtonredskins]

12 hours ago, goskins10 said:

 

But he did change the culture at least in the lockerroom and restored at least some diginity to us fans. We are not an automatic W on everyones calendar anymore. And if Sam balls out this team will surprise. Either way this is likely Ron's last season and i am Ok with that. Harris should and probably will clean house. I would just clear virtually the entire team of executives except maybe a few assistants and some scouting. But they better know the garbage from before will not fly anymore. 

 

Dan is an awful owner and, somehow, a worse human being. But that should not excuse Ron Rivera for his mistakes or sub-mediocre job in Washington. I would be careful giving him too much credit. I'll take a few of your statements above individually...

 

"But he did change the culture at least in the lockerroom..." 

 

I suppose he might have. I think he's a limited coach, but a good person and hard-nosed guy. The players wherever he's coached clearly like him and take accountability, so that's something. But, when all is said and done, that's a "culture" that leaves when the next regime comes in anyway so we'll see how lasting it is. It also didn't translate to much other than a couple of surprise wins over better teams (Pittsburgh, Philly, etc.) over the 3 years so far. 

 

"...and restored at least some dignity to us fans." 

 

I'm not sure what that means, but I don't really know how fans would be more proud of Rivera than Shanahan, Gibbs, Marty, etc. I could understand Zorn and Spurrier (at the end). I personally like Gruden better, but he didn't do well here either and I realize he ran a looser ship. 

 

"We are not an automatic W on everyones calendar anymore."

 

This is the biggest fallacy that people write on this board and Twitter that annoys me the most (no offense to you individually, because you're not alone). Snyder was a horrible man. He ran a God-awful football organization and, what's worse, he treated people like crap. But, very rarely did he have coaches come through here who did tangibly worse in their tenures than Rivera has. Outside of maybe 3-4 seasons, they've always fielded pretty mediocre, "Riverian" teams. Snyder's ownership is littered with 6-, 7-, and 8-win seasons...just like Rivera's. 

 

Anyway...just wanted to throw in my two cents. I think Rivera is a good person, but I don't think he really did too much here other than add slightly more accountability in the locker room and kick the can for 4 additional years on finding a QB. 

[goskins10]

2 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Dan is an awful owner and, somehow, a worse human being. But that should not excuse Ron Rivera for his mistakes or sub-mediocre job in Washington. I would be careful giving him too much credit. I'll take a few of your statements above individually...

 

"But he did change the culture at least in the lockerroom..." 

 

I suppose he might have. I think he's a limited coach, but a good person and hard-nosed guy. The players wherever he's coached clearly like him and take accountability, so that's something. But, when all is said and done, that's a "culture" that leaves when the next regime comes in anyway so we'll see how lasting it is. It also didn't translate to much other than a couple of surprise wins over better teams (Pittsburgh, Philly, etc.) over the 3 years so far. 

 

Disagree. It's a culture to build on. I have been in manufacturing for more than 30 yrs and in the restaurant industry before then.In both, leadership can change often. Culture is at the core of those businesses and leadership either builds on good culture or breaks it down. There isn an automatically goes out the door with Ron. Ron may have installed the culture but the players live it. I believe Harris will take it to the next level. 

 

2 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

"...and restored at least some dignity to us fans." 

 

I'm not sure what that means, but I don't really know how fans would be more proud of Rivera than Shanahan, Gibbs, Marty, etc. I could understand Zorn and Spurrier (at the end). I personally like Gruden better, but he didn't do well here either and I realize he ran a looser ship. 

 

It means that we do not have a Hainesworth, or other ignoant players here. It means that he is a solid man that you can trust. Shanny I hated. Marty was a POS. He got fired from Chargers after an 11-5 season for a reason. Gibbs is the only one I buy. But the next group - Zorn - did nothing to build on the culture Joe started. Dan made sure it was run over. 

 

2 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

"We are not an automatic W on everyones calendar anymore."

 

This is the biggest fallacy that people write on this board and Twitter that annoys me the most (no offense to you individually, because you're not alone). Snyder was a horrible man. He ran a God-awful football organization and, what's worse, he treated people like crap. But, very rarely did he have coaches come through here who did tangibly worse in their tenures than Rivera has. Outside of maybe 3-4 seasons, they've always fielded pretty mediocre, "Riverian" teams. Snyder's ownership is littered with 6-, 7-, and 8-win seasons...just like Rivera's. 

 

With all due respect this a casual interpretation of the records. Gruden had 2 seasons out of 6 with less than 4 wins including his last season. Shanny was 6-10, 5-11 and 3-13. Only 1 winning record. Zorn - Yea Zorn - 4-12. Even Gibbs had a 5-11 and 6-10 season - 2 of 4. The casual part is that under Ron he has challenged for the PO spot every season. The others were out of it even with the medium records for the most part. So no, the team has not always fielded mediocre. It's been everything from bad ot really bad with a few decent seasons in there. Ron has made us consistently competitive. 

 

2 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Anyway...just wanted to throw in my two cents. I think Rivera is a good person, but I don't think he really did too much here other than add slightly more accountability in the locker room and kick the can for 4 additional years on finding a QB. 

 

I respect your right to your opinion I just categorically disagree. It's popular to trash Ron right now and some of it is deserved. Fans are so angry at this team - rightfully so - that it sometimes shows itself against people that do not deserve all of it. Ron is one of those. I believe he deserves more credit, especially for building the backend of the team and yes the culture in the lockeroom. 

 

But as I have said multiple times I am 100% on board with him being replaced if that's what new ownership wants - and it should be for so many reasons that have nothing to do with Ron R himself. My deepest hopes are that Harris hires a team president and the two of them find a proper GM who then brings in thier own HC. Then the GM and HC work together to build a team including coaches and support staff. I like Ron but not tied to him at all. 

Edited May 10, 2023 by goskins10
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[Andre The Giant]

 

 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

@goskins10 14 of Snyder's 20 years before Rivera were between 6-10 and 10-6...that's mediocre. 3 of the other 6 years, they won 5 games. In fact, most of us spent a large time complaining that this team never bottomed out often enough to be in a position to ever draft a difference-making QB. Snyder's NFL winning percentage is 43% and Rivera has won 45% of his games in Washington. They are one in the same. 

 

The culture is fine. But that culture isn't too much different than it was at various times under Marty and Gibbs. The roster building that you mention has been fine too, but nothing wonderful. The OL is in flux. The DL was built when he arrived. The best WR was here when he arrived. The DBs and LBs are question marks. And still, despite a decent amount of money and 4 off-seasons, still no closer to any answer at QB. The strength of the team is WR and DL, the two areas that were handed to Rivera when he walked through the door. Now, he retained those players (something other coaches rarely did with second contracts, which goes to the slightly better culture), but that's it. He didn't BUILD much. 

[UK Skins]

We need a **** Off emoji. Those tweets are just frightful. Who does Wright think he is??!!

 

[NickyJ]

14 hours ago, goskins10 said:

We are not an automatic W on everyones calendar anymore.

Acccssshhuuallllly, if their calendar's show team logos for the teams they play, we are a W on everyone's calendars.

[mojo]

I had high hopes for Wright when he first got hired. I saw a few interviews and he seemed intelligent, affable, and capable of giving Snyder a new perspective on the franchise. What he's proven to be since then is a Snyder leech full of meaningless buzz words who values his role in the organization far greater then any improvements he can make to the franchise.  What has he done that hasn't been botched aside from have the stadium pressure washed?

Edited May 10, 2023 by mojo

[BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen]

23 minutes ago, mojo said:

I had high hopes for Wright when he first got hired. I saw a few interviews and he seemed intelligent, affable, and capable of giving Snyder a new perspective on the franchise. What he's proven to be since then is a Snyder leech full of meaningless buzz words who values his role in the organization far greater then any improvements he can make to the franchise.  What has he done that hasn't been botched aside from have the stadium pressure washed?

 

Wright's main problem is that he doesn't talk to other people before, during, or after his decision-making process...which is strange, considering that McKinsey I believe teaches all of these concepts. Then again, I heard rumors that McKinsey FIRED him, so maybe that's why. Can't confirm that, however.

 

It would seem to be common sense to talk to people who understand things about the franchise's history and legends, experts about staging celebrations of former players, experts on rebranding, experts on renaming a product (the team in this case), experts on security for staging a rebrand, experts on the correct spelling of players' names, and experts on design of new uniforms. At least, that's what I would have done. To me it doesn't seem like he did any of these things, and then got defensive and disappeared from Twitter for months.

 

Snyder may be a micromanaging pr!ck, but it seems to me that all of these mistakes are squarely on Wright.

[redskinss]

1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

The strength of the team is WR and DL, the two areas that were handed to Rivera when he walked through the door. Now, he retained those players (something other coaches rarely did with second contracts, which goes to the slightly better culture), but that's it. He didn't BUILD much. 

Only one wide receiver was handed to Rivera, he brought in the rest and our group went from a one horse show to formidable and we have only seen a glimpse of Dotson.

That said the defensive line and McLaurin are all that's left of the pre Rivera roster and when you look at the rest of the roster from 2019 to today it paints a different picture.

We haven't fully seen what Rivera's additions can do because many are still maturing as players but overall I dont think many people would argue that we don't have more talent than we did in 2019.

[RWJ]

Weren't GM responsibilities given to RR when he took over the team?  If so, Jason Wright needs to stay out of it. 

[88Comrade2000]

Jason will be given the boot. He knows it. 

[hailer21]

1 minute ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Jason will be given the boot. He knows it. 

One can only hope. 

 

Im looking forward to fans and media alike no longer having the scapegoat of Dan to pick on. It will be liberating. 

 

Finally, we should be able to disentangle the performance of the key folks like JW and RR from the toxicity of the owner. 

 

Doesn't matter all that much for those 2 in particular because i imagine they'll be scrubbed out ASAP. 

 

But it will be so refreshing to place full accountability for mediocre on-the-field performance with the coach or off-the-field fiascos with the pres. No more second guessing who is responsible for the final outcome between those people and the dumb owner.

 

It's a new day!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

1 hour ago, redskinss said:

Only one wide receiver was handed to Rivera, he brought in the rest and our group went from a one horse show to formidable and we have only seen a glimpse of Dotson.

That said the defensive line and McLaurin are all that's left of the pre Rivera roster and when you look at the rest of the roster from 2019 to today it paints a different picture.

We haven't fully seen what Rivera's additions can do because many are still maturing as players but overall I dont think many people would argue that we don't have more talent than we did in 2019.

 

The WR who was handed to Rivera is the one most people rave about. Dotson was a good draft choice and Samuel has been hot and cold so far as a FA signing. So, overall he was gifted his #1 WR, the jury is still out on his FA acquisition, and things look good on his first-round pick. 

[Riggo#44]

4 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

Dan is an awful owner and, somehow, a worse human being. But that should not excuse Ron Rivera for his mistakes or sub-mediocre job in Washington. I would be careful giving him too much credit. I'll take a few of your statements above individually...

 

It's not an excuse--it's a fact. It's a reason we've struggled for so long. Snyder has cut every corner of the infrastructure, technology, scouts, facilities, anything he can't sell a jersey for. That has undermined everything and put our football operations at a disadvantage across the league.

[Conn]

Wright is overplaying his hand if he’s floating it out there with anyone at all that he’s interested in the Football Ops side. His only chance was to convince Harris (against all odds) that he’s the guy on the business side and everything was Snyder’s fault. He’s not convincing anyone that he should get a say on the football side lol—especially not Harris, the guy known for prioritizing getting the best GM in the lead organizational position 

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Why does anyone listen to Jason Wright or Jim Irsay? The doldrums of the off-season. 

[Est.1974]

Can’t wait for the new owners to clean house.

[redskinss]

12 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

The WR who was handed to Rivera is the one most people rave about. Dotson was a good draft choice and Samuel has been hot and cold so far as a FA signing. So, overall he was gifted his #1 WR, the jury is still out on his FA acquisition, and things look good on his first-round pick. 

I agree and that's just one unit of the roster but it is better.

If you take each unit you'll see that although he hasn't hit grand slams overall the roster is better.

 

There aren't too many players from our 2019 roster that are starting elsewhere, scherff, I don't really count Williams he didn't even play in 2019 and none of that fiasco was his fault, in fact the problem that led up to the Williams disaster has been well taken care of according to the players.

Who else, Holcomb, Roulier if he's not on i.r.

There's not too many and the spots on our roster that were really weak look considerably better. 

 

Again, I agree this staff hasn't provided us with an abundance of talent but the team overall including depth seems to be much improved but certainly not there yet so to speak.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

18 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

It's not an excuse--it's a fact. It's a reason we've struggled for so long. Snyder has cut every corner of the infrastructure, technology, scouts, facilities, anything he can't sell a jersey for. That has undermined everything and put our football operations at a disadvantage across the league.

 

I don't disagree that Dan is the primary reason that this team has won only 43% of its games while he's owned them. But, I don't think Dan's ****ty ownership is the culprit for every facet of Rivera's mediocrity. It wasn't Dan's corner-cutting that led Rivera not to understand that his team could be eliminated from playoff contention in the second-to-last game of the season last year. It wasn't ONLY Dan's obsession with jersey sales that prevented Rivera from better addressing the QB position over the past 4 years. It wasn't Dan's cheerleader porn videos that caused Rivera to start his first 3 seasons 2-7, 3-6, and 1-4. 

 

So, as much as Dan puts his coaches at a disadvantage, Rivera has contributed plenty of his own factors to the crappy product since 2020. 

[goskins10]

12 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Can’t wait for the new owners to clean house.

 

Then we can have a whole new set of people to **** about! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Riggo#44]

4 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I don't disagree that Dan is the primary reason that this team has won only 43% of its games while he's owned them. But, I don't think Dan's ****ty ownership is the culprit for every facet of Rivera's mediocrity. It wasn't Dan's corner-cutting that led Rivera not to understand that his team could be eliminated from playoff contention in the second-to-last game of the season last year. It wasn't ONLY Dan's obsession with jersey sales that prevented Rivera from better addressing the QB position over the past 4 years. It wasn't Dan's cheerleader porn videos that caused Rivera to start his first 3 seasons 2-7, 3-6, and 1-4. 

 

So, as much as Dan puts his coaches at a disadvantage, Rivera has contributed plenty of his own factors to the crappy product since 2020. 

I am fine letting Rivera go, but this "crappy product" has been the most consistently competitive we've been under Snyder. Snyder has not had the cash flow, either, that Gibbs and Shannahan enjoyed. Yes, he was able to sign Jackson (bust) and Samuel, but those move pale in comparison so the spending sprees previous coaching staffes enjoyed.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

I’m all for moving on from Rivera, particularly after he’s tripped over himself to compliment Dan on his way out.  I can’t wait for Harris to makeover this organization and structure it properly.

 

That said, it’s real hard for me to play the ‘Snyder’s a train wreck, but the coach was still awful’ game.  The only coach who left remotely in good graces was Gibbs and it took him trading the farm and salary cap shenanigans for a whopping 30-34 record in 4 seasons.  Dan’s negative impact can be felt in different ways by different coaches at different times for different reasons.  There is no way to quantify his reverse Midas touch on every one and everything.

[Warhead36]

Rivera has his issues with in game tactics and decision making, but overall I can't imagine many other coaches having that much more success. 

 

With that said, if we finish with around 8 wins again, I'm perfectly fine with Harris hitting the reset button.

[Riggo#44]

The only way Rivera remains is if they make the NFC Title game and Sam Howell is a top 10-12 QB.

[Skinsinparadise]

12 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I’m all for moving on from Rivera, particularly after he’s tripped over himself to compliment Dan on his way out.  I can’t wait for Harris to makeover this organization and structure it properly.

 

That said, it’s real hard for me to play the ‘Snyder’s a train wreck, but the coach was still awful’ game.  The only coach who left remotely in good graces was Gibbs and it took him trading the farm and salary cap shenanigans for a whopping 30-34 record in 4 seasons.  Dan’s negative impact can be felt in different ways by different coaches at different times for different reasons.  There is no way to quantify his reverse Midas touch on every one and everything.

 

Yeah everyone under Dan has to be graded on a curve.

 

Heck I was listening to Mike Jones in an interview talk about probing into the business operation -- Jason Wright was part of the story but he went beyond just him.   Among his findings, as much as they talked about wanting to improve the Fedex experience, Dan gave them just a shoe string budget to do it.

 

The thing that I think the straggler Dan defenders, which are mostly ex-players (and not from recent years, seems to be mostly from the Gibbs era), get wrong is the line they use at least he will spend whatever it takes.  That's BS.  He's one of the cheapest owners in the NFL.  This is the same dude where his wife told players wives years back she won't spend $100 per bathroom to make it more baby friendly because one day soon they will have a new stadiium. 

 

The same team that according to Chris Russell would serve the players peanut butter and jelly sandwiches as their in flight dining to games until he was pushed to change that.  Their players still gave them an F minus for how the team supports the players during travel.  And Sheehan mentiioned last year , he heard they are cutting back on travel frills for the players. 

 

There are a zillion stories like this.  As Chris Russell liked to say, he treated the team-facility like a dollar store.  Bruce apparently was a big part of that mindset.  

 

You are dealing with a toxic owner who isn't giving resources to make thing better like other teams. 

 

As for Ron, I think he did well considering circumstances.  But we can do better at that spot with a new owner.    And him defending Dan on Dan's way out is dissappointing but I suspect that's Ron's sort of back your command way of life.   With or without him defending Dan, I'd want him to out the door in 2024. If Dan stuck around, I'd be good with Ron.  

 

The weird thing for me about Ron is he clearly is very aware of the national perception of this team and that they are struggiling to attract fans.  In that context, he seems to still struggle to read his audience.  Praising Dan does not endear him to fans.  And also his off seasons are very light on pizzazz, he does really nothing to generate excitement to sell tickets.   Nothing to excite the NFL where they'd attract prime time games.  

 

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by Skinsinparadise