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1 hour ago, megared said:

 

Still have a problem with the idea, that he's relegated to scout team, so that McCoy can occupy a roster spot in hopes of him magically turning this season around if/when he's healthy enough to play. 

 

What we should've done (and what the Saints did) was get a practice squad level QB, let him be the scout team QB, and prepare your backup to be ready, in case he has to play.  With Jay's gameplanning consisting of passing the ball ~40 times a game, regardless of QB or opponent, I think chances are we'll be needing our backup to step in at some point or another.  

 

I disagree with everyone about Scout team.

 

Scout team has a bad connotation which doesn't, imo, make sense.  It's primary job is to mimic the starting offense of your opponent, and then run that against your team's #1 defense.  You're going against starters in practice.  Everyone who is not starting, or featured heavily in packages (Chris Thompson, Matt Ioannidis, etc) should be doing some scout team work.

 

If you want your QB to understand concepts, having him do work with the scout team will do that.  He gets to study the next opponent on film, see different versions of the same concept his team runs, and compare how both teams run these passing concepts.  It gets more into the "why" of a concept is done.  He also gets to see how his teams defense would gameplan and prepare for their opponents passing concepts.  He gets hands on practice work to see how certain passing concepts are likely to be defended.

 

If Haskins wants to learn, scout team work will give him an extra avenue to study. 

 

Theoretically, your starting QB already knows all this stuff, so what's most important is to figure out weaknesses in your opponents coverages, their tendencies, how their opponents individual players operate and what to look for.  It'll change rapidly from week to week.  As every team has different players who have different strengths/weaknesses.  An example, Aaron Rodgers has said his aggressiveness changes from week to week as some players never turn their head in coverage.  He says if he can read the numbers on the back of that players jersey, he considers the guy they're guarding as "open".  Just throw to the right shoulder, and he doesn't have to worry about an Int or deflection as that player never turns to locate the ball.

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21 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Well... Keenum sat today with a foot injury. So I’m sure that has played a role in Jay’s quick tone change.

 

Redskins nation is gonna explode. 

 

Also it worries me that QBs are only lasting a few games at a time behind this line. In that light - I say colt gets the start lol

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Dwayne is preparing to play this week. Throw him in. Case wore out his welcome with that bull**** performance. If Gruden can’t get Haskins going versus the Giants week ass D then demote him to sad face specialist. 

Let’s go. **** this . If Haskins is trash. Be trash. And draft the next man up.

I'm tired of this mediocre ass bull****. We’re not even that.

Oh. Yeah. Colt McCoy can just join Alex and ride into the sunset.

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If Haskins starts, Gruden needs to get off his keister when calling in plays. Every young QB gets the call quickly, gets to the line, and lets the OC talk to him until the 15 second mark of the play clock so that he can get an idea of what the D is doing.

 

Gruden? He waits until about 20 seconds is left on the play clock so the offense has to hurry to get the ball snapped so the QB has less time to read the D. Gruden has to know when the previous play is being run what the next call is, or just turn play calling over to O'Donnel.

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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said Case Keenum is "still the starter."

Gruden danced around Washington's situation under center despite the fact Keenum (foot) is reportedly in a walking boot. With the veteran considered a question mark for Thursday's practice, backup reps will be split between old favorite Colt McCoy and No. 15 overall pick Dwayne Haskins. Odds are Haskins suits up for his first career start opposite Daniel Jones and the Giants on Sunday.

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What would be the point of splitting starting reps at this point? Either Colt's ready in which case you play him or you don't or he's not in which case Dwayne needs as many reps as he can get.

 

Gruden needs to stop pouting about not getting what he wants (which is Colt to play and suddenly become Tom Brady)

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6 hours ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

People calling Haskins a bust before he’s taken a snap despite being the best Big 10 QB in recent times on the basis that our coach that's on the verge of being fired thinks he sucks.  Wow our fan base is special. 

well i'm one of them.  and it's based on the college resume you think is so special, not what Gruden is doing.  i watched I think 7 of his starts online at youtube , studying every pass he threw in those 7 starts.  watched each pass play multiple times.  he was inaccurate down the field.  any passes travelling more than about 7 or 8 yards in the air, he was below avg, I would say.  and converting 3rd down passes into 1st downs he was awful.  he played exclusively out of the shotgun in a college offense and some of these games were the much heralded "good" games of his.   he lived on screens and behind-the-line-of-scrimmage passes that would go for big yards because of the team around him.   I looked at him as basically a 5th round draft choice, so we shall see.  He might have fallen outside of the first round  if it werent for a NON FOOTBALL person who knows less about football than my dog, who doesnt study game tape of players, but insisted the team draft Haskins anyway.  Of course, I'm talking about Snyder who reportedly was the one who required the team draft him.  If that isnt a red flag in the first place, what is?   The IDIOT MORON owner, not any personnel department of QB needy team in the first 15 picks, but the idiot know-nothing owner is the guy that drafts him .   Not even the redskins scouting dept wanted him in the first round.  but we'll see.  he can prove me wrong, we'll see....

 

and I should note, all of this was before I started hearing about some of the little red flags that keep popping up with him OFF the field..

1.  the haskins and haskins media company he set up with his father 5 minutes after he got drafted (focus)

2. the league done wrong comment when the Giants drafted Jones instead of him (S*** talker) 

3. "sheesh" when Jones was made a starter in NY  (focus, none of your business)

4.  The needing to take #7 jersey even though you know its a protected number.  (build you own legacy, dude)

5.  watching him dancing on the sideline prior the start of this past Monday NIght's game

 

these are all nothing burgers to you.  they are tiny red flags to me.  i'll remember them once he is declared a starter and we see him for at least a season and we will see about the way he handles himself .  

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

 

I disagree with everyone about Scout team.

 

Scout team has a bad connotation which doesn't, imo, make sense.  It's primary job is to mimic the starting offense of your opponent, and then run that against your team's #1 defense.  You're going against starters in practice.  Everyone who is not starting, or featured heavily in packages (Chris Thompson, Matt Ioannidis, etc) should be doing some scout team work.

 

The only thing scout team is good for is getting acclimated to the speed of the game.    

 

Right now, how prepared would he be to run the offense, if he's not getting reps, and someone gets injured?  How're our other QBs offering any substantial guidance to him if he's not even ever executing the offense he'd be expected to run?  And he's missing on the opportunity to learn from those guys.  Right now, he'd be no better, and quite possibly worse than picking up a guy off the street, save raw talent.  

 

They have to let him sink or float.  We don't have the luxury of having a hall of fame QB ahead of him to wait years for his development.  And the same simplification of the offense you'd have to do for Haskins, should've been done to limit Keenum's mistakes.  If anything, whoever is not starting between Keenum and McCoy should be running scout team if/when everyone's healthy.  But Haskins should be getting reps (as a backup AT LEAST) for his long term development.  

 

You know why Jones became the better option than Eli in the Giants' eyes?  Because they saw him developing (as a backup) and gave him an opportunity to run the offense in practice.  Do you really think they would've benched their starter, if they had no idea how well he could run the offense?  They didn't decide to start him because they liked him impersonating Dak for the defense...

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1 hour ago, BoycottEuphemisticFans said:

1.  the haskins and haskins media company he set up with his father 5 minutes after he got drafted (focus)

2. the league done wrong comment when the Giants drafted Jones instead of him (S*** talker) 

3. "sheesh" when Jones was made a starter in NY  (focus, none of your business)

4.  The needing to take #7 jersey even though you know its a protected number.  (build you own legacy, dude)

5.  watching him dancing on the sideline prior the start of this past Monday NIght's game

 

Once you start listing Dancing and Sheesh as red flags we all know you really aren’t super objective. 

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1 hour ago, BoycottEuphemisticFans said:

 

 

and I should note, all of this was before I started hearing about some of the little red flags that keep popping up with him OFF the field..

1.  the haskins and haskins media company he set up with his father 5 minutes after he got drafted (focus)

2. the league done wrong comment when the Giants drafted Jones instead of him (S*** talker) 

3. "sheesh" when Jones was made a starter in NY  (focus, none of your business)

4.  The needing to take #7 jersey even though you know its a protected number.  (build you own legacy, dude)

5.  watching him dancing on the sideline prior the start of this past Monday NIght's game

 

 

 

 

 

1. That's a non issue. A lot of players do this nowadays. Gotta capitalize on your own brand. RG3 did this too. Nobody cared when he balled out.

2. Aaron Rodgers had the exact same mentality.

3. See #2, among others.

4. He didn't need to take it. He has a bond with the number. He called Theismann and asked out of respect.

5. God forbid a guy have fun at a football game.

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12 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Shouldn’t the comps between Jones and Haskins end at Jones being a 4 year starter and Haskins only 1?

 

Not really because we picked him in the middle of the 1st round, and everyone prematurely eviscerated the Giants for taking Jones over him.  They'll always be linked because of that.  

 

His lack of experience isn't going to make opposing teams feel sorry for him...so why should we?  You don't pick a guy that high to wait years on his development, especially when you have no plan A at QB.  

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Just now, megared said:

 

Not really because we picked him in the middle of the 1st round, and everyone prematurely eviscerated the Giants for taking Jones over him.  They'll always be linked because of that.  

 

His lack of experience isn't going to make opposing teams feel sorry for him...so why should we?  You don't pick a guy that high to wait years on his development, especially when you have no plan A at QB.  

I don’t feel sorry for him, no idea where you got that.  It’s simply acknowledging the large gap in experience between the two.  Some of Haskins biggest fans here, pre draft, that loved him as a prospect and even his own mentors don’t believe he should be thrown into this mess right now.   In fact, most of the talk out of the local guys is that the top brass doesn’t want to accelerate his development and ruin him like they’ve done with others in the past.  Who knows what’s true, but it makes sense to me not to throw him into the fire just yet.

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6 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I don’t feel sorry for him, no idea where you got that.  It’s simply acknowledging the large gap in experience between the two.  Some of Haskins biggest fans here, pre draft, that loved him as a prospect and even his own mentors don’t believe he should be thrown into this mess right now.   In fact, most of the talk out of the local guys is that the top brass doesn’t want to accelerate his development and ruin him like they’ve done with others in the past.  Who knows what’s true, but it makes sense to me not to throw him into the fire just yet.

 

I don't know...I guess at this point, I find any semblance of common sense coming out of them to be smoke and mirrors.  They sold the team as 'almost there' and putting Haskins in is an admission of that plan failing. 

 

I can't see what major changes are going to come between now and next season that are going to make it more ideal for him to start.  He's running the scout team at this point, and barely getting any reps.  Our line isn't going to be much better, and we don't have the draft capital at the moment to overhaul the team.   And we've been unwilling to part with vets in order to free cap space...  

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I heard Jay saying Colt was a ways away, I would say was less than a week ago. He said he needs to be able to push off that foot and he's not quite there yet OSS blah blah... He sounded very skeptical of him being at full health.  I think it was Friday that I heard him... anyone else hear this? Please chime in if I am inaccurate here.

 

This tells me Colt is not at full health. But him rushed back, says Jay really does not want Haskins to play. Jay wants his guy as the season is already on the line. And this tells me Colt is likely to get re-injured despite our crack medical staff signing off on him "ready to go"

 

Heh I guess that explains them splitting snaps.  Nah, Jay has the perfect storm. He tosses the fans owner etc a bone and gets Haskins first team reps, while at the same time is able to ease Colt in. Dare I think even he knows Colt is not ready for 100% of all the reps day 1 back.

 

I wonder if Case ends up on IR to keep both Jay and Dan happy.

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I would like to think we have a 4th QB at the ready in case Colt regresses, but Jay is likely going to push all in on his boy Colt. Hey he is cleared.

 

Who is our emergency QB anyways? I love the randonness of it.  I think it was Jordan Reed. Russ Grimm. BMitch have had the honor.  Lurking beatniks get on the story, they may very well be a game day backup if Colt cannot make it through warm ups.  I predict it is... Steven Sims.

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