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Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the rest of the play?

Yeah, I know it's just a restoration of powers, but he had them taken away and Snyder just gave them right back. There's no sign that anything ever changes. I have never wanted this prior to a season (when 2011 seemed lost I was whiffin for Griffin), but I want this to be an absolutely humiliating season. As much as I like Jay, if we have to sacrifice him, then so be it. We need to hit rock bottom with a rocket attached to our backs in order to get an explosion that Dan will notice. 0-16, basically no attendance by Skins fans, only by opposing teams, no season-ticket renewals, no merch bought. I want it to hit him as hard as possible, and then multiply that by a million. That's our only shot.

Reading that part especially is just soul-crushing. I don't get how he doesn't get it. Oh, you have ebola that is clearly killing you? Let's try to cure that with more ebola.

I think it's even more mind-blowing for Snyder. This guy has gotten everything he wants, always. I'm 34 now, and I couldn't imagine what it would be like to own my favorite team. Snyder could, somehow got together $800M, and has never heard the word "no" in his life. For no one to give him something he wants has to be an existential threat in his world.

Ugh. Why do these horrific things have to happen to such incredible people? J.D.'s son, Taylor, was diagnosed with leukemia at 2. It just really, really tests your faith in all aspects when something like this happens to someone like that, repeatedly.

Just now hearing about Bruce. There simply aren't words.

Which is, again, so backwards. If your team sucks, then you compensate financially. If you're a good/storied/top-notch organization, then you don't have to wave as many dollars to get people to sign on. It's the ugly chick from high school demanding that only the hottest guys ask her out. And I outright refused.

Seriously, Gray gone? I feel like the directions the fans are giving the organization are literally being mirrored. "Turn left. No no no, not my left, YOUR left. Oh Jesus Christ, WHY WOULD YOU DRIVE INTO A TREE?!?!?!"

Oh Jesus, get off your high moral anti-horse. Some of us have had this view for every team for as long as we've followed the sport. Hardy? Gallette? Rice? Hunt? Roethlisberger? Vick? Winston? Elliott? Bryant? And so on? This isn't how this works psychologically, socially, or legally. Don't make these sweeping generalizations when you don't have your facts straight. Are some people being flavor-of-the-month social justice warriors? Sure. Not all of us.

Ding ding ding. Uh, what? There's no reason to be optimistic. This is the third arrest, second for DV this year. He also went ape**** on a nurse at the friggin' combine. If someone had the injury history of this guy's legal history, then you wouldn't be optimistic, would you? This will happen again. And dropped charges mean nothing. These situations are infinitely more complicated than the vast majority here do, or even want to, understand (not aimed at you, TTB, just didn't want a second post).

People were saying the exact same thing as soon as Foster was signed, take 30 seconds to look it up before rolling your eyes. Nobody is moving the goalposts, and Norman was talking about liking to play on the road because the fans boo ****ty play at home, so I don't know what you're trying to say. For the record, I still think that it was an awful signing both in who it was, when it was, and how it was. If you think that this is the last thing Foster will be involved in, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Slight off topic: Yeah, no crow here, because this is exactly how this process works. Rinse and repeat will happen. On topic: Still shouldn't have done it when they did it. Still shouldn't have handled it the way @KDawg mentioned. It's cultural, and worse, Dan doesn't see a problem with it. His solution to put out a house fire is to light the whole neighborhood up. It's ridiculous.

Thank you for bringing this up, as this is a concern of mine, too. These people at the top are concerned about PR first, which is really, REALLY stupid. Pats on the back from ESPN or whoever don't affect your bottom line when your absolute bedrock of a base is crumbling away. That's like putting new shutters on a house in a sinkhole. The real fans to be concerned about, the ones who actually spend money, don't give a flying **** about a big name or PR move. We've been here before over and over and over. Not only is Snyder getting diminishing returns; he's getting exponential losses. Get someone good who has had nothing to do with this organization ever AND isn't a big name, and improve the team. That's how you get the fans/money back. The other option is to keep repeating the same mistake and have a shiny new stadium that is spotless because nobody is showing up.

This is just so stupid. It's not that hard. Get rid of Bruce. Don't make it a gameshow, don't bring in old people, don't try to out-think what real franchises do. Get a goddamn GM and Bruce is not allowed within 200 parsecs of the goddamn building. These other ideas that are being floated are so ****ing dumb and are only making the situation worse just by being out there.

As @KDawg and @Skinsinparadise are saying, this just feels like a rinse and repeat with a different color. Everyone wanted McCloughan, and Bruce brought us McCloughan! But, whether or not it's actually true (I believe it to be), his departure will always be tied to a perceived pissing contest with Bruce. No matter who we bring in or who has what title, as long as Bruce is so much as allowed in the building, it'll be Bruce's show. While I would want Schaffer or Smith to step up into a real role, the idea of bringing in a big name is just the same old ****. The fans now don't even know who Joe Gibbs is any more than I know who George Allen is. He's a name that was before my time. I am 34 and barely have flickers of memory of the first Gibbs run. The market an owner would want, from teenagers onward to build brand loyalty, would look at any of these "big names" the same way they would look at a rotary phone. Bruce just needs to be gone with a permanent PFA. Until he is, it's essentially multiplying by zero. No matter how perfect the equation is, you're always going to get nothing if Bruce is involved.