!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

[NoVaSkins21]

This is all on Bruce  for SCREWING this up last year.  Pats got a 4th for Gronk and he's still an elite talent at his position even at his age.  Skins better be prepared to take what they get if they get anything at all for Trent.

[Skinsinparadise]

if they took Claypool with all those players on the board, I'd have quite the snit.  I guess then recover and just trust it.  😀  I've not been a big Shenault guy as an example but in the third maybe I can see it as a ball handler type in the backfield for sweep, end arounds, etc. So I can be sold.   Hamler ditto, maybe they want to tap into that speed, etc.  For Claypool, I don't see it, has speed but no wiggle.  He's a tougher sell for me unless they are convinced he can be a TE. 

 

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-day-2-nfl-mock-draft-giants-trade-up-to-start-round-2-buccaneers-land-dandre-swift-patriots-take-a-qb/

 

NFL MOCK DRAFT

ROUND 3

 

 

Round 3 - Pick 1 (65)       Malik Harrison LB OHIO STATE • SR • 6'3" / 247 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Cincinnati PROSPECT RNK 99th POSITION RNK 7th   The Bengals have to improve on defense, and Harrison is a middle-of-the-field playmaker.

Round 3 - Pick 2 (66)       Chase Claypool WR NOTRE DAME • SR • 6'4" / 238 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Washington PROSPECT RNK 82nd POSITION RNK 14th   If the Redskins are building around Dwayne Haskins, they'll need to get him more weapons.

Round 3 - Pick 3 (67)       Kyle Dugger S LENOIR-RHYNE • SR • 6'1" / 217 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Detroit PROSPECT RNK 66th POSITION RNK 7th   The Lions add another stellar athlete to the secondary in the hyper-versatile Dugger.

From New York Giants Round 3 - Pick 4 (68)       Troy Pride Jr. CB NOTRE DAME • SR • 6'0" / 193 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Jets PROSPECT RNK 87th POSITION RNK 13th   The Jets need to bolster their secondary and do so with the lightning-quick Pride.

Round 3 - Pick 5 (69)       Cole Kmet TE NOTRE DAME • JR • 6'6" / 262 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Carolina PROSPECT RNK 53rd POSITION RNK 1st   Greg Olsen is gone, and Teddy Bridgewater will need all the help he can get.

Round 3 - Pick 6 (70)       Damien Lewis OL LSU • SR • 6'2" / 327 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Miami PROSPECT RNK 59th POSITION RNK 10th   Lewis is a squatty powerful guard who'll start right away in Miami.

From Los Angeles Chargers Round 3 - Pick 7 (71)       Adam Trautman TE DAYTON • SR • 6'5" / 255 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 80th POSITION RNK 2nd   The Patriots add some help at tight end with the second of their picks acquired after trading out of Round 1.

Round 3 - Pick 8 (72)       Lucas Niang OL TCU • SR • 6'6" / 315 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Arizona PROSPECT RNK 70th POSITION RNK 11th   The Cardinals have to address the offensive line for Kyler Murray, and Niang has rare movement skills for someone his size.

Round 3 - Pick 9 (73)       Ben Bartch OL NFL DRAFT • 6'6" / 309 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Jacksonville PROSPECT RNK 98th POSITION RNK 20th   Bartch has the feet and power to actually stay at left tackle in the NFL.

Round 3 - Pick 10 (74)       Akeem Davis-Gaither LB APPALACHIAN STATE • SR • 6'2" / 224 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Cleveland PROSPECT RNK 73rd POSITION RNK 5th   Davis-Gaither is a high-energy player who routinely finds the football in a hurry.

Round 3 - Pick 11 (75)     Terrell Lewis EDGE ALABAMA • SR • 6'5" / 262 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Indianapolis PROSPECT RNK 50th POSITION RNK 5th   If healthy, Lewis could be the steal of the draft because of his length, athletic gifts, and polished hand work.

Round 3 - Pick 12 (76)     Antoine Winfield Jr. S MINNESOTA • SOPH • 5'9" / 203 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Tampa Bay PROSPECT RNK 60th POSITION RNK 5th   Winfield can range from the deep middle in Tampa Bay, and this fills a big deal for the Bucs.

Round 3 - Pick 13 (77)       Trevon Diggs CB ALABAMA • SR • 6'1" / 205 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Denver PROSPECT RNK 30th POSITION RNK 5th   The Broncos are shocked at the value here with Diggs, a physically dominant press man cornerback, so they have to take him.

Round 3 - Pick 14 (78)       James Lynch DL BAYLOR • JR • 6'4" / 289 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Atlanta PROSPECT RNK 184th POSITION RNK 15th   Lynch gives the Falcons versatility and plenty of athleticism up front on defense.

Round 3 - Pick 15 (79)       Bradlee Anae EDGE UTAH • SR • 6'3" / 257 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Jets PROSPECT RNK 93rd POSITION RNK 11th   Anae is an animal with his hand work and sets a sturdy edge.

Round 3 - Pick 16 (80)       Raekwon Davis DL ALABAMA • SR • 6'6" / 311 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Las Vegas PROSPECT RNK 97th POSITION RNK 8th   Las Vegas continues to get stronger up the middle by adding Davis, once thought to be a first-round talent.

From Chicago Bears Round 3 - Pick 17 (81)     John Simpson OL CLEMSON • SR • 6'4" / 321 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Las Vegas PROSPECT RNK 167th POSITION RNK 34th   Simpson needs to get more balanced, but he's an absolute mauler in the run game.

Mock Trade from Dallas Cowboys Round 3 - Pick 18 (82)     Cameron Dantzler CB MISSISSIPPI STATE • JR • 6'2" / 188 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Buffalo PROSPECT RNK 69th POSITION RNK 11th   The Bills see the length, instincts, and feisty nature in Dantzler and make a move to get him.

From Pittsburgh Steelers Round 3 - Pick 19 (83)       Davon Hamilton DL OHIO STATE • SR • 6'4" / 320 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Denver PROSPECT RNK 117th POSITION RNK 9th   Hamilton gives the Broncos the space-eater they need on the interior.

Round 3 - Pick 20 (84)       Michael Pittman Jr. WR USC • SR • 6'4" / 223 LBS PROJECTED TEAM L.A. Rams PROSPECT RNK 58th POSITION RNK 10th   The Rams keep it local with Pittman and add some size to their wideout contingent.

From Philadelphia Eagles Round 3 - Pick 21 (85)       Ben Bredeson OL MICHIGAN • SR • 6'5" / 315 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Detroit PROSPECT RNK 122nd POSITION RNK 24th   The LIons could use some help on their offensive interior, and Bredeson has a high floor.

Mock Trade from Buffalo Bills Round 3 - Pick 22 (86)       Michael Ojemudia CB IOWA • SR • 6'1" / 200 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Dallas PROSPECT RNK 104th POSITION RNK 14th   The Cowboys get length, instincts, and athleticism with Ojemudia here.

Round 3 - Pick 23 (87)       Jalen Hurts QB OKLAHOMA • SR • 6'1" / 222 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 100th POSITION RNK 6th   There's the quarterback for the Patriots. Bill Belichick's buddy Nick Saban signs off on the young passer.

Mock Trade from New Orleans Saints Round 3 - Pick 24 (88)       Cam Akers RB FLORIDA STATE • JR • 5'10" / 217 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Tennessee PROSPECT RNK 49th POSITION RNK 4th   The Titans love the idea of the complementary running styles of Derrick Henry and Akers in Nashville.

Round 3 - Pick 25 (89)       Jordan Elliott DL MISSOURI • JR • 6'4" / 302 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Minnesota PROSPECT RNK 67th POSITION RNK 7th   The Vikings get an hand-work master in Elliott to add some pass-rush prowess to the interior of their defensive line.

Round 3 - Pick 26 (90)     Darnay Holmes CB UCLA • JR • 5'10" / 195 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Houston PROSPECT RNK 112th POSITION RNK 16th   Holmes has all the athleticism you'd want in a corner; his game is just very inconsistent.

From Houston Texans Round 3 - Pick 27 (91)       Terrell Burgess S UTAH • SR • 5'11" / 202 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Las Vegas PROSPECT RNK 73rd POSITION RNK 6th   Burgess can play safety as well as line up in the slot and play both positions extremely well.

Round 3 - Pick 28 (92)       Gabriel Davis WR UCF • JR • 6'2" / 216 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Baltimore PROSPECT RNK 119th POSITION RNK 20th   Davis is a good-sized, twitchy speedster who'd fit perfectly in Baltimore.

From Tennessee Titans Round 3 - Pick 29 (93)       Jacob Phillips LB LSU • JR • 6'3" / 229 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New Orleans PROSPECT RNK 156th POSITION RNK 12th   Phillips is a springy, sure tackler with impressive range.

Round 3 - Pick 30 (94)       Davion Taylor LB COLORADO • SR • 6'1" / 228 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Green Bay PROSPECT RNK 130th POSITION RNK 10th   Taylor has major speed for the linebacker spot and is an effective block-shedder.

From San Francisco 49ers Round 3 - Pick 31 (95)       Albert Okwuegbunam TE MISSOURI • JR • 6'6" / 258 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Denver PROSPECT RNK 108th POSITION RNK 6th   How about another pass-catching option for Drew Lock?

Round 3 - Pick 32 (96)       Bryce Hall CB VIRGINIA • SR • 6'1" / 202 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Kansas City PROSPECT RNK 55th POSITION RNK 9th   Hall is a super-long disruptor who gets to the football often because of his instincts.

From Houston Texans Round 3 - Pick 33 (97)       Amik Robertson CB LOUISIANA TECH • JR • 5'8" / 187 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Cleveland PROSPECT RNK 112th POSITION RNK 16th   Robertson is undersized but he was one of the most physical CBs in the country last season.

Round 3 - Pick 34 (98)       K'Von Wallace S CLEMSON • SR • 5'11" / 206 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 105th POSITION RNK 8th   Wallace is a do-everything safety who rocks inside as a slot corner and is a fine tackler.

Round 3 - Pick 35 (99)     Antonio Gandy-Golden WR LIBERTY • SR • 6'4" / 223 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Giants PROSPECT RNK 94th POSITION RNK 17th   A huge catch radius makes Gandy-Golden an intriguing option late on Day 2.

Round 3 - Pick 36 (100)       Jonah Jackson OL OHIO STATE • SR • 6'4" / 306 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 79th POSITION RNK 16th   Jackson doesn't look the part but routinely gets the job done at the guard spot.

Round 3 - Pick 37 (101)       Jabari Zuniga EDGE FLORIDA • SR • 6'3" / 264 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Seattle PROSPECT RNK 68th POSITION RNK 2nd   Zuniga has all the athletic traits to be a star in a few seasons. He just is raw with the technical aspect.

Round 3 - Pick 38 (102)     Antonio Gibson RB MEMPHIS • SR • 6'0" / 228 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Pittsburgh PROSPECT RNK 88th POSITION RNK 6th   More running back help for the Steelers, which is needed because James Conner is entering a contract year. Gibson is a little raw but explosive and versatile.

Round 3 - Pick 39 (103)       K.J. Hill WR OHIO STATE • SR • 6'0" / 196 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Philadelphia PROSPECT RNK 118th POSITION RNK 19th   No one would fault the Eagles for doubling up on receiver, and Hill runs routes like an NFL veteran.

Round 3 - Pick 40 (104)       Alton Robinson EDGE SYRACUSE • SR • 6'3" / 264 LBS PROJECTED TEAM L.A. Rams PROSPECT RNK 133rd POSITION RNK 14th   Robinson is a heavy-handed edge rusher who had a better 2018 than 2019 season but has all the tools to consistently pressure the QB.

Round 3 - Pick 41 (105)       Alex Highsmith EDGE CHARLOTTE • SR • 6'3" / 248 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Minnesota PROSPECT RNK 140th POSITION RNK 15th   Highsmith is a wrestler on the outside with a sturdy frame to set a strong edge.

Round 3 - Pick 42 (106)       Ashtyn Davis S CALIFORNIA • SR • 6'1" / 202 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Baltimore PROSPECT RNK 42nd POSITION RNK 3rd   If healthy, Davis has at least second-round talent with a nice blend of coverage range and hitting ability.

 

[Panninho]

😖

[ntotoro]

13 minutes ago, SAli457180 said:

This is all on Bruce  for SCREWING this up last year.  Pats got a 4th for Gronk and he's still an elite talent at his position even at his age.  Skins better be prepared to take what they get if they get anything at all for Trent.

No one really knows what Gronk is right now. He certainly wasn’t elite in his last season, lost size since and hasn’t played in over a calendar year. NE got a fourth for a guy who was retired and had no intention of coming back until recently. Kinda’ similar time TW in a way. Missed a lot of time in his last season, hasn’t played in even longer a time than Gronk and his last season wasn’t exactly memorable.

[Conn]

Let's hope that Donaldson tweet just means the compensation isn't going to be the pie-in-the-sky level that people were still foolishly clinging to yesterday, rather than being "not good" in the sense that no deal can get done at all. 

[RWJ]

11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

if they took Claypool with all those players on the board, I'd have quite the snit.  I guess then recover and just trust it.  😀  I've not been a big Shenault guy as an example but in third maybe I can see it as a ball handler type in the backfield for sweep, end arounds, etc.   Hamler ditto, maybe they want to tap into that speed, etc.  For Claypool, I don't see it, has speed but no wiggle. 

I'd be happy with Claypool a WR/TE hybrid.  SIP, thoughts on if they took Kmet or Trautman at #66 verses Claypool?

Just now, ConnSKINS26 said:

Let's hope that Donaldson tweet just means the compensation isn't going to be the pie-in-the-sky level that people were still foolishly clinging to yesterday, rather than being "not good" in the sense that no deal can get done at all. 

She is like everyone else.  Inside info.  Skins now don't leak out info as we can tell.  We will see how the chips fall but I have and always will be in the camp that TW never plays another game for us and is eventually traded. 

[Conn]

Just now, RWJ said:

I'd be happy with Claypool a WR/TE hybrid.  SIP, thoughts on if they took Kmet or Trautman at #66 verses Claypool?

 

I'm not SIP but from my POV, I'd much prefer either of those guys to Claypool if those are my only three options at the pick, because I know where they're playing and what their skillset is. Claypool is a risk bc his measurables don't really show up on tape and he's not a clean convert to TE or a great bet to excel if he stays outside. 

 

I'd assume SIP agrees with me based on our conversations about Claypool.

[bakedtater1]

Hopefully there's a couple teams with a few 2nds that need a left tackle and we can still get a 2nd for him.

[Skinsinparadise]

13 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I'd be happy with Claypool a WR/TE hybrid.  SIP, thoughts on if they took Kmet or Trautman at #66 verses Claypool?

 

 

Obviously is just my opinion and some draft geeks obviously disagree with me on this so I could be wrong.  But my cliff notes take is this;

 

A.  When I watched Claypool, I couldn't take my eyes off of Kmet.  Kmet to me is a distinctly better player than Claypool. 

B.  I like Trautman and Kmet almost equally albeit they are different type of players

 

When I watch receivers and TEs the thing I cling to more than anything is separation skills.   And Claypool on that front strikes me really stiff.   Trautman has some stiffness too but he's so much more physical than Claypool that I can forgive it. 

 

The reason why I'd ride with it if they took him is simply because I'd trust Kyle Smith saw something I don't.  I can understand the idea of a 230 pound plus receiver who can run 4.4 is tantalizing.  and I really wanted to love him for that reason but I just can't fall for him when I watch him.  But if they think they can mold that clay, I'll go for the ride.   But just from watching Claypool, I am not a big fan. 

 

[RWJ]

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Obviously is just my opinion and some draft geeks obviously disagree with me on this so I could be wrong.  But my cliff notes take is this;

 

A.  When I watched Claypool, I couldn't take my eyes off of Kmet.  Kmet to me is a distinctly better player than Claypool. 

B.  I like Trautman and Kmet almost equally albeit they are different type of players

 

When I watch receivers and TEs the thing I cling to more than anything is separation skills.   And Claypool on that front strikes me really stiff.   Trautman has some stiffness too but he's so much more physical than Claypool that I can forgive it. 

 

The reason why I'd ride with it if they took him is simply because I'd trust Kyle Smith saw something I don't.  I can understand the idea of a 230 pound plus receiver who can run 4.4 is tantalizing.  and I really wanted to love him for that reason but I just can't fall for him when I watch him.  But if they think they can mold that clay, I'll go for the ride.   But just from watching Claypool, I am not a big fan. 

 

I mentioned to ConnSkin that it wouldn't surprise me if we traded down with our 3rd and our 1st 4th tonight/tomorrow to pick up more selections.  We are in good position to do that and add more picks to fill holes.  

[KDawg]

I’ve been saying for almost a year now that Bruce dropped the ball on this one. He should have moved him immediately.

 

Instead, Williams sat a season out, by the time he plays again it will be almost 2 years since the last time he was on the field, he managed to stir the pot with his helmet situation, he and his agent leaked that he wants $20M/year and has burned a ton of bridges. 
 

GMs see all of that. People don’t want to hitch their wagons to such a large risk for such a high price. The Redskins new regime was right to not give Trent away for pennies on the dollar, but at this point the damage from Allen AND Williams has been done and can’t be undone.

 

No team was going to trade for TW before the draft unfolded last night. It would be really dumb. And the same thing tonight. Josh Jones needs to come off the board before teams want to pony up for Williams. 
 

Yea, Williams is better than Jones at this point. Maybe. Who knows what kind of shape and health he’s in. But the cost is astronomical versus Jones. Especially the further he falls. 
 

No GM wants to expose themselves like that, especially without a way to assess Williams. And, if they give up a third and Williams fails the physical whenever they can do it... guess what? Can’t go back now. Deal is done.

 

 

[Est.1974]

The whole Trent ‘taking passing a physical’ is a major factor in this. Part of me thinks he must have already fulfilled some kind of duty towards that, thus enabling any kind of discussions to take place at all.

 

Said a while back, no team would sign off on that risk and allow us to utilise draft picks without that assurance. 
 

Lets see what today brings.

[Ashburn Dave]

game over man, we're.............. 

 

might  be better if we just play him this year.

[Ghedrick]

Minnesota seems to be our hope with 12 picks remaining in the draft.They have to package these picks for a player or to trade up.No way can they walk out of the draft selecting 14 players.

[Est.1974]

And as frustrating as hell this saga has been, end of the day we bagged Chase ****ing Young and have the chance to net 2-3 more very good draft prospects.

 

Also got numerous options still available in FA, with a good level of cap space in reserve, to still improve.

 

It’s not all bad.....

[Koolblue13]

I hope he never plays football again and squanders whatever money he already made and I hope he's never around dogs again. **** him. 

[kingdaddy]

The Vikings, with two 1st round picks did not go offensive line and that is still a huge area of need for them. They have two third round picks and a 2nd. They could deal Reiff and a third for Trent and come out looking much more prepared to make a run at the NFC championship than they were last year. Zimmer has to beef up that line and their window is now. I see the Vikings as the perfect match for Trent....if they can find him a helmet.

[Hooper]

He’s treated Rivera horribly. Got all pissy because Ron didn’t cradle his shaft and treat him like a queen the moment he took the job.

 

Call his bluff. He can sit if he wants.

[paloosa]

Why would we trade Trent to the Vikings for Reiff and a 3rd when Reiff is older and not as good? 

[Lovi]

1 minute ago, paloosa said:

Why would we trade Trent to the Vikings for Reiff and a 3rd when Reiff is older and not as good? 

 

I'd think solely to help them make the money work.  They are tight against the cap.

[JarrettS13]

Just send him to season long IR and be done with him. Trent Williams lives in fantasyland and he will never receive what he thinks he deserves.

[Conn]

2 minutes ago, paloosa said:

Why would we trade Trent to the Vikings for Reiff and a 3rd when Reiff is older and not as good? 

 

Reiff would be a salary dump for MIN in that type of deal and a body for us without Trent. The 3rd is the prize there. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I just noticed I put the mock draft on the wrong thread, meant to do it on the draft thread, sorry about that.

 

Keim doubled down this morning he hears Minny would likely be the best shot

 

 

 

 

[pcbothwel]

31 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I’ve been saying for almost a year now that Bruce dropped the ball on this one. He should have moved him immediately.

 

Instead, Williams sat a season out, by the time he plays again it will be almost 2 years since the last time he was on the field, he managed to stir the pot with his helmet situation, he and his agent leaked that he wants $20M/year and has burned a ton of bridges. 
 

GMs see all of that. People don’t want to hitch their wagons to such a large risk for such a high price. The Redskins new regime was right to not give Trent away for pennies on the dollar, but at this point the damage from Allen AND Williams has been done and can’t be undone.

 

No team was going to trade for TW before the draft unfolded last night. It would be really dumb. And the same thing tonight. Josh Jones needs to come off the board before teams want to pony up for Williams. 
 

Yea, Williams is better than Jones at this point. Maybe. Who knows what kind of shape and health he’s in. But the cost is astronomical versus Jones. Especially the further he falls. 
 

No GM wants to expose themselves like that, especially without a way to assess Williams. And, if they give up a third and Williams fails the physical whenever they can do it... guess what? Can’t go back now. Deal is done.

 

 

 

Exactly.

I've been saying for months that today is the day. Teams had to see how the 1st round would shake out before making the move. I still think we end up with a late 2nd value (3rd + another mid round pick).

 

Another thought. This quarantine works out very well for us with Trent because:

1) With no one in the building, we dont have the looming questions to the team about Trent not being there

2) With reduced practices, I fully expect more injuries going into the season. I would not mind waiting until a team loses a Tackle to injury or sees that a player simply isnt good enough.

Also, we dont need this injury/poor performance to be strictly a LT. A team with an average LT and bad RT might move their LT to the right and then bring in TW.

 

With the quarantine and changing narrative (TW and his agent looking like asshole amateurs), I have no issue just holding tight if we get poor offers.

[crabbypatty]

10 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I just noticed I put the mock draft on the wrong thread, meant to do it on the draft thread, sorry about that.

 

Keim doubled down this morning he hears Minny would likely be the best shot

 

 

 

 

No speculation on what the offer is though.. what are we talking about, a 4th? 5th?  Picks next year?

 

What do you guys think if someone offered us a 2nd or 3rd next year. Would you try to trade it to someone else for something this year?

Like say next year's third from minny, would you try to trade it for a 4th this year?