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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       

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Next Day Thread: Redskins vs. Panthers

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1 hour ago, Morneblade said:

 

Well, now that we know how you feel about the best QB we've had here in 30 years, I'm sure you'll dazzle us with other brilliant hot takes. :rofl89:

Will do every chance I get. "Best" is a relative term. Best in what way...stats are NOT THE measure of BEST QB. Best Team Mate, Best Team friendly Option? (Cap space), Best in addressing the Fan Base (flat out lied about intent to work with Skins on FA), Best in showing appreciation to the coach who stuck his neck out for him and  gave him his chance. Best at making me CRINGE in the 4th Quarter or Yell at the TV for his slow starts...

 

No sir....he was NOT the BEST Skins QB in 30 Years- not by a long shot. But that is my perception on what "Best" means. Jeff George had the "Best Arm"....

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1 hour ago, Morneblade said:

Rypien had a great year. Willaims had a great game. Neither did more than Cousins over a 3 year span. Winning a SB is a team accomplishment. Try to understand football better.

 

 

 

Greatness is measured in trophies not statistics, Rypien and Williams won when the lights shone brightest whereas Cousins padded his stats in garbage time and choked under pressure.  I clearly understand football just fine thank you.

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6 minutes ago, moondog said:

Dallas’ pass rush is gonna cause us problems. 

It’s the first thing that makes me cringe about this Sunday’s game.  And the fact that Dak is 4-0 against the skins......

 

 

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Played out just as I hoped.  Shut down their run, establish the run ourselves.  Little concerned how we let them back into the game but with our defense and run game, we have a real shot to make some noise in the playoffs.  And the fact that Richardson really seems to be coming on.... we are about to be come a dangerous team!!!

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30 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

Will do every chance I get. "Best" is a relative term. Best in what way...stats are NOT THE measure of BEST QB. Best Team Mate, Best Team friendly Option? (Cap space), Best in addressing the Fan Base (flat out lied about intent to work with Skins on FA), Best in showing appreciation to the coach who stuck his neck out for him and  gave him his chance. Best at making me CRINGE in the 4th Quarter or Yell at the TV for his slow starts...

 

No sir....he was NOT the BEST Skins QB in 30 Years- not by a long shot. But that is my perception on what "Best" means. Jeff George had the "Best Arm"....

Rex Grossman had the best catchphrase. So he has my vote.

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13 minutes ago, Bigmuss1 said:

It’s the first thing that makes me cringe about this Sunday’s game.  And the fact that Cam is 4-0 against the skins......

 

 

Fixed it.

 

Now he's 4-1.

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1 hour ago, Morneblade said:

Rypien had a great year. Willaims had a great game. Neither did more than Cousins over a 3 year span. Winning a SB is a team accomplishment. Try to understand football better.

 

I will take what Mark Rypien did from 89 to 91 over any 3 years you wish to choose from Cousins. 2 Pro Bowls and one Super Bowl MVP. Looking at passing yards and completion percentages is as meaningless as wins and losses - different eras, systems and play calling.

 

Ryp might be the best deep ball thrower I have seen in a Redskins uniform.

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Not to help derail my own thread but, for my money:

 

1. Mark Rypien

2. Doug Williams

 

Nothing can change the fact these guys, in the last 30 years of this team's existence, brought home Lombardi.

 

3. Trent Green/Kirk Cousins in, "we're not taking you guys to the promised land, but we don't headbutt walls or stink as bad as some others"

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1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I almost lost my **** after that drive. But I don't pin it on just Smith...

 

We've seen that for a few years now...drives where we basically just need to not screw up, yet SOMETHING happens. I don't know what to think. It can't be the coach...it's not the QB since we've seen multiple under this coach make odd choices. I really think it comes down to being a flawed team and, every now and then, we'll have a breakdown somewhere. 

 

Should Smith know enough to be ULTRA-conservative there? Of course. But, having said that, if he is scanning the field and way before he expects it there's a guy in his face...that's a 0.25 second decision to make. I just think we're not good enough to buckle down and play cleanly all the time. 

 

 

I look at it this way:  Brady led the Patriots down the field for a game-winning field goal.  Sure, there were 14 or so other players (including subs or specific packages), but we put that on Brady, and it's a success.

With Smith, I'd do the same thing.  Lead us down the field to a win, that's on Smith.  At the same time, screw it up majorly, that's on Smith.

I'm neutral on Smith himself, but I can't help but look at it as Smith/Fuller/3rd round pick.  I am looking for performance from the latter, and I'm just not seeing it.

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15 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

I look at it this way:  Brady led the Patriots down the field for a game-winning field goal.  Sure, there were 14 or so other players (including subs or specific packages), but we put that on Brady, and it's a success.

With Smith, I'd do the same thing.  Lead us down the field to a win, that's on Smith.  At the same time, screw it up majorly, that's on Smith.

I'm neutral on Smith himself, but I can't help but look at it as Smith/Fuller/3rd round pick.  I am looking for performance from the latter, and I'm just not seeing it.

 

I'm willing to overlook the asymmetric nature of the trade (let's face it, until we get an owner with an IQ over 80, we are going to consistently get ****ed on trades from more savvy teams). Smith seems to play lost out there. He doesn't inspire confidence and does not seem even close to a decisive veteran leader, much less one that was drafted #1 overall when he came out of college. I'm very disappointed in him and while I'm glad we won the game, we didn't win convincingly at all and I have my doubts that if we had to come from behind that he would have been able to mount anything better than the disaster we saw down in NO.

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1 hour ago, Bigmuss1 said:

  And the fact that Dak is 4-0 against the skins......

 

 

Cam was 5-0 vs the skins...

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13 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

I look at it this way:  Brady led the Patriots down the field for a game-winning field goal.  Sure, there were 14 or so other players (including subs or specific packages), but we put that on Brady, and it's a success.

With Smith, I'd do the same thing.  Lead us down the field to a win, that's on Smith.  At the same time, screw it up majorly, that's on Smith.

I'm neutral on Smith himself, but I can't help but look at it as Smith/Fuller/3rd round pick.  I am looking for performance from the latter, and I'm just not seeing it.

 

That's completely fair! He's been underwhelming (at best) so far.

 

The thing that has stuck out the most to me is that we don't seem to have much of a chance once something negative happens. With Cousins, all hope wasn't lost after a sack or holding call. Now, my feeling when we get behind the sticks almost immediately shifts to field position and if the defense will hold. I know he's converted some things, but it just feels like we are OK on a drive if we don't shoot ourselves in the foot. 

 

Given that our drives tend to be methodical and grinding, we are going to have a good number of opportunities for something negative to happen. To me, the biggest progression Smith and this offense can make is converting non-ideal situations a little more often. The likelihood of stringing together 12 plays without facing a 3rd-and-11 or 2nd-and-17 seems pretty low. 

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3 hours ago, Bigmuss1 said:

It’s the first thing that makes me cringe about this Sunday’s game.  And the fact that Dak is 4-0 against the skins......

 

 

Wasn't Cam Newton 4-0 against the Skins before Sunday. 

 

 

HTTR 

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6 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Cowboys are 0-3 on the road.

 

Show some backbone.  The team needs you.

LOL If we beat Dallas, that would certainly soothe the backbone pain and get me pumped for the seasons possibilities. Would love to see a few good wins in a row to raise some eyebrows.

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The play where the panthers jumped offside and Smith didn’t take advantage of the free play was really disappointing to me.  In Smith, I knew weren’t getting the most physically gifted QB but I thought above the shoulders he would be an upper echelon player.  Brady, Rodgers, those guys have a free play and they are immediately taking a shot for a big gain.  Instead, Smith is looking around for the refs and holding his arms up for a flag and chucks the ball out of bounds. I thought he had more savvy than that.

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5 hours ago, Springfield said:

I’m happy that we won, but this is a team that just baaaaarely beat the Giants a week ago, so....

You do realize the Giants ARE a professional football team that has won several SB's in recent times, and although struggling are full of talent along with a new head coach and certainly have pride and will play hard. So it shouldnt be too much of a shock that they keep a lot of games close and win some along the way.

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17 minutes ago, mojo said:

The play where the panthers jumped offside and Smith didn’t take advantage of the free play was really disappointing to me.  In Smith, I knew weren’t getting the most physically gifted QB but I thought above the shoulders he would be an upper echelon player.  Brady, Rodgers, those guys have a free play and they are immediately taking a shot for a big gain.  Instead, Smith is looking around for the refs and holding his arms up for a flag and chucks the ball out of bounds. I thought he had more savvy than that.

 

 

B-I-N-G-O.

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26 minutes ago, mojo said:

The play where the panthers jumped offside and Smith didn’t take advantage of the free play was really disappointing to me.  In Smith, I knew weren’t getting the most physically gifted QB but I thought above the shoulders he would be an upper echelon player.  Brady, Rodgers, those guys have a free play and they are immediately taking a shot for a big gain.  Instead, Smith is looking around for the refs and holding his arms up for a flag and chucks the ball out of bounds. I thought he had more savvy than that.

I might be wrong, but didn’t hecget pressure immediately and get flushed to his right?  When he threw it I think he was on his back foot with pressure in his face. Like he wanted to go deep but just couldn’t...

 

I could be wrong though.  

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16 minutes ago, Monkman56 said:

You do realize the Giants ARE a professional football team that has won several SB's in recent times, and although struggling are full of talent along with a new head coach and certainly have pride and will play hard. So it shouldnt be too much of a shock that they keep a lot of games close and win some along the way.

 

We’re going to lose to the Giants, possibly the worst team in the NFL.

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1 minute ago, Springfield said:

 

We’re going to lose to the Giants, possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Well, the first game is on a “win 1” week, so maybe be not?

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2 minutes ago, Springfield said:

 

We’re going to lose to the Giants, possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Dont know about that, but thats my point. The Giants are capable of some good games this year still.

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43 minutes ago, mojo said:

The play where the panthers jumped offside and Smith didn’t take advantage of the free play was really disappointing to me.  In Smith, I knew weren’t getting the most physically gifted QB but I thought above the shoulders he would be an upper echelon player.  Brady, Rodgers, those guys have a free play and they are immediately taking a shot for a big gain.  Instead, Smith is looking around for the refs and holding his arms up for a flag and chucks the ball out of bounds. I thought he had more savvy than that.

This is the play where I was shown that smith is a loser.

 

I can get behind him because he's the qb we have, but believing he's anything more than a less capable version of Scott Brunell to me is a waste of time.

 

Also, I'm not pro or anti cousins, but, comparing qbs that were throwing to the Posse behind the Hogs and Cousins is ridiculous.  

 

Those were super bowl winning teams with one of the greatest offensive minds of the time drawing up the plays vs our current cast of president skroob, dark helmet, and colonel sanders from spaceball 1 running things now.

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The OL has been manhandled in pass protection two weeks in a row.  All of them. They need to get it together for us to have a chance at having a decent pass game..

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