Renegade7 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) I know what you're thinking, this is a bad idea. But I'm going try this anyway and hope we can act like adults here and stay on topic. The topic of the thread is what do YOU believe, not what someone else does. If you don't agree with them, just leave them alone, that's not what this is about. If ya'll start getting nasty, I'll just ask to close to thread, and it will prove that we are incapable of having adult conversations about this topic (which would be a GD shame). If you want people to respect you're opinion and beliefs, you absolutely have to respect their's. It's a private poll, so you if you don't want to explain yourself, you don't have to. If you do want to talk about it, Please don't be an ***hole about it. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm a Christian. It wasn't shoved down my throat, it's just what I saw first and it made sense to me growing up. By the time I was a late teenager I was losing my mind and my faith. Some people define Hell is the complete and total isolation from God, I felt that for several months after I got expelled. I felt completely alone and done with what I was doing, to the point that I know that if I didn't turn around I wasn't going to be around. And that's when I tried again, and I haven't looked back. I haven't finished the Bible front to back like some people I know that still don't believe it anymore, but I like the premise of the huge chunk I've read so far, and for the most part seems pretty reasonable when you try to keep things in perspective (more new testament, then old testament, but I respect the new covenant idea, so I shouldn't have to explain myself too much here). I think a lot of people get too wrapped up in what they are not supposed to do versus what they are supposed to do, and it gives Religion a bad name due to the inevitable hypocrisy that comes along with doing that. That book never hurt anyone, that Church got out of hand almost as soon as it was formally organized. I'm fully aware that Christianity spread the way that it did after the fall of Rome primarily how violent the Church was in terms of conversion and conformity. It's hard to take another Christian seriously if they try to beat around the bush on stuff like Joshua conquering the promise land, the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, etc. I'm also a huge fan of Bible Archaeology, so everytime I go back in there or through my notes and verses, I try to look at it from the standpoint of the parables being intentional, the hyperbole being expected, and everything in there being in there for a reason (some better then others, question is "Why"). For the life of me, I do not understand why people take the Bible word for word when you have to consider the differences in all the languages its been translated through to get to where its at now. I feel most comfortable with the King James version, and I don't read any version or English translation of the Bible that has the word "tattoo" in it. The only exception I make is when I'm reading a versus and am having such a hard time understanding of it, I look at a more modern translation to see what I have to look up to better understand it. I also believe God was involved in the Big Bang and Evolution on this planet via Intelligent Design. Some of the calculations of physics are so precise that it just wouldn't shock me if someone was involved with making sure that it all made sense before pushing it out there, even if the singularity was incredibly unstable. The new pope agrees with me. He's also tried to steer focus back to tolerance of others and helping the poor, that's one of the big things that keep me wanting to read more. There are plenty of other god's that have come up in human history that could care less about that, not JC. And on the after-life thing, I am more focused on using my faith to get from one day to the next, one crisis to the next, and will fully cross my concerns on where I end up before I get there I already have a good idea on where I'm going based on what I've read, and the expectations to get there don't seem unreasonable to me, either. I try not admit that I would rather be right and in Heaven then give up faith again and be wrong. And if there is no God (which I don't believe, but adding this line for completion on the topic), and we're just bags of sal****er with electricity running through us that once that stops we cease to exist, so be it. I did what I thought was the right thing to do and didn't lose anything by it. I don't agree with the stance towards non-believers, but that's out of my control. It's not a deal-breaker for me any relationship in anyway shape or form, I actually appreciate other perspectives on the topic, even if I don't agree with them. I like to believe maybe we'll get lucky and they'll see we're trying to work out our differences and Revelation won't be deemed even necessary. I don't like when people only hope for that to happen, it just totally feels selfish to me to root for that level of destruction to our civilization for any reason. In my eye, if Jesus in particular really loves us despite our differences, he won't do that, and that whole section was just the result of someone freaking out from their isolation due to their exile. Edited March 26, 2018 by Renegade7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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