TradeTheBeal! Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 10 hours ago, OVCChairman said: Elephant in the room... Crowder thus far, this season, has not be capable of being relied on in the PR duties... He's been sure handed before this right? Or am I wrong? His rep coming out of college was as a stud PR with very sure hands. Ya gotta bench him if he puts it on the ground again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 The elephant in the room to me is that Crowder has now had eight consecutive quiet games. It looks like his best spot is the slot. I for one was not thrilled with him being our number two Yeah I know he posted sick numbers @#2 in limited looks but if it ain't broke don't fix it was my thinking. It looks like Jay manages his targets to not overload him, but then why is he doing returns? I almost expect change @PR out of the bye week… Jay needs to find plays that work for Terrell and Kirk, and not call routes that TP does not run well. KISS. It's not unexpected that Kirk will have a comfort zone with receivers from last year this early in the season. He should be a little better later in the year but before you know it half the season will be over and CT and Grant will be our most consistent targets. Vernon Davis may have to save the day as Reed is fighting 2 injuries and is already missing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 11 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Pryor runs routes to the middle of the field as if hes tracing a 3 point line. Not good enough to win very often. He will be able to make plays boxing out with his frame but won't win on a route until these get better. Eventually teams will key on what we're doing thus far and we'll be forced to look his way more often. Word-for-word what I was telling my pops last night. He's rounding-off routes and still not using his massive frame to box guys out. I still love his ceiling though and hope we can re-sign him to an affordable LT deal at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Pryor is obviously still learning the craft of being a WR. He's only been doing it one season. His numbers in Cleveland were likely inflated because he was targeted so much. It's an entirely different situation when you play in Cleveland, in no-man's land. It's quite another when you are on a team trying to make moves and are being relied upon to run specific routes crisp and clean in order to create separation. We've seen what the guy can do when the ball is in his hands. There's no question about that, however he needs to get better at all the stuff that takes place before the ball comes to him. Compare that to Doctson.....dude has barely practiced and/or played in the NFL at all, but Cousins felt good enough to throw essentially a jump ball to him, and it turned into a TD. With Pryor's size/speed/strength, he should be able to do the same things, but I am not sure if Cousins trusts him to do it yet There is a reason he was only signed to a 1 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 It was nice to see Doctson make a play but Doctson and Pryor don't come close to replacing Jackson and Garçon. VD and CT had huge nights but the Receiving corps is a project not a strong unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I would like to see Sprinkle and VD on a two TE set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Receivers only, we're looking a little rough. Doctson getting open last week and his catch Sunday gave me a little optimism. The good news news is that I expect (for different reasons) Pryor, Doctson and Crowder to get better as the season goes on. If you include our other pass catchers - Thompson, Reed and Davis - I'd say we've got a decent group. And it's a group that can/should get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Veryoldschool said: It was nice to see Doctson make a play but Doctson and Pryor don't come close to replacing Jackson and Garçon. VD and CT had huge nights but the Receiving corps is a project not a strong unit. This is a serious over simplification. There is more to WR than making highlight reel catches - which BTW Doctson did tonight even if it was his only catch. The reason CT and VD were so open is the backfield of Oak had to account for our WRs. Pryor especially gets a lot of attention. People saw from last year what he can do if left open. Kirk did a great job making them pay. But that does not diminish the impact of those players or their worth or value as WRs. I also saw many plays where Pryor and VD were blocking way down field during those runs by catch and runs by CT. I would agree they may be a project right now, But to declare them not a strong unit is a bit too quick and ignores some of their less spectacular contributions. VD and CT do not have big games without the WRs doing their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryoldschool Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 6 hours ago, goskins10 said: I would agree they may be a project right now, But to declare them not a strong unit is a bit too quick and ignores some of their less spectacular contributions. VD and CT do not have big games without the WRs doing their jobs. I think by definition if a unit is a project it isn't a strong unit. I am expecting improvement as Pryor improves his route running and Doctson's health improves, they really need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Terrelle Pryor as of this moment is a disappointment. He's supposed to be our number 1 receiver, which I think of as a go-to-guy. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that, but you don't bill a guy as number 1 if he isn't supposed to be your best. My unrefined eye sees Josh Doctson as putting up roughly the same successes and failures as Pryor. Sometimes he's making good catches, sometimes he's not. I'll cut him slack though, as he's not our number 1, and he was injured all of last season. The dropped TD hurts, it hurts bad. But I won't trash him yet. It was, what, his first drop of the game? First that I remember anyway. Costly mistake, but such is the life of a receiver with so few reps. Jamison Crowder is so-so. Certainly invisible this season. Lovin me some Verrrrrrrrrny Davis though. Where did he and Thompson go tonight? He gift wrapped our last TD and was gone for the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, NickyJ said: Jamison Crowder is so-so. Certainly invisible this season. I'm actually a little upset with Crowder at this point. It's not all his fault. I mean Kirk has to throw to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdskn4eva Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Crowder was great when teams are covering garçon, Jackson and reed. Teams can can focus more on crowder and he's not as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Between Alligator arms Pryor and Mr. Glass Doctson, I'd say this unit needs a vast upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey hodge Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Maybe Prior needs to be moved to H-back... catching just isnt his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Pryor is just an athlete. Little ability as a receiver. He didn't even attack the ball on that TD. Instincts are poor Doctson is a tease at this point Ryan Grant looks good tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRonDontLikeUgly Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 hours ago, rdskn4eva said: Crowder was great when teams are covering garçon, Jackson and reed. Teams can can focus more on crowder and he's not as good. Do you actually think teams are game-planning around Crowder? The actual problem is that we are not game-planning FOR Crowder. He is the closest thing we have to Santana Moss right now--- definitely not in pure speed or even game-breaking ability-- but in the way that he is smart enough to find open space and get open. We finally have BIG/TALL receivers (who can't catch) and are for some reason ignoring the guy who should be our safety valve on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 9/26/2017 at 12:52 AM, Veryoldschool said: It was nice to see Doctson make a play but Doctson and Pryor don't come close to replacing Jackson and Garçon. VD and CT had huge nights but the Receiving corps is a project not a strong unit. To be fair, between the two of them, they've barely played WR at this level. Garcon and Jackson have 266 games of experience, Doctson and Pryor have 29, and Doctson barely was on the field for most of those. If we were a young rebuilding team, it might be more palatable watching them learn the ropes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, justice98 said: If we were a young rebuilding team, it might be more palatable watching them learn the ropes. But we're not, so... I can actually live with Doctson learning on the job, but Pryor's inability to run a crisp route and most importantly, stone hands and alligator arms are maddening to say the least. He looks great in practice with the one handed catches when he can't get hit, but looks like a former QB trying to be a wide receiver when the bullets are flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 That's why the Pryor deal sucks, we are basically paying him to learn the position. Doubt we will get a discount on a long term deal either if he turns out great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Kelly Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, SkinInsite said: That's why the Pryor deal sucks, we are basically paying him to learn the position. Doubt we will get a discount on a long term deal either if he turns out great. But it's also why he is on a one year deal, he was raw with plenty of upside last year & a selection of ropey QBs. I don't fancy how Pryor is panning out but I can understand the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 At some point we will have to admit Reed is unreliable and we may have to move on from him, he has ridiculous talent but what good is it when the injuries don't allow him to utilize his abilities. We're lucky we have VD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey hodge Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 and we're even luckier to have Antibiotics! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What the group is lacking is a sure-handed possession WR. Letting Jackson go is understandable, but the loss of Garcon hurt us in the clutch last night. I guess we just have to hope Doctson develops into that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappy1271 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Pryor, as a wide receiver he is a very good college QB. You don't spend, what, $8 Million on someone that is playing WR like a college sophomore! They should have never let Garcon go. BIG MISTAKE, and it will show because this season will be wasted. Doctson? He is just soft like so many of the other young players. Jordan Reed is a waste of space, always hurt, doesn't practice, cannot block and now doesn't seem to be able to catch the ball. Give me Vernon Davis any day and twice on Sundays. Three drives end when they had third and short with a bad pass and two dropped passes. And don't forget the dropped pass that could have been the winning touchdown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 WR is totally by committee now. A fantasy nightmare. Yeah I know that is supposed to be harder to defend, but I also feel like then no one steps up, no one is challenged, and so we remain in mediocrity. When we are at home watching on TV and the ball is in their air, we literally have no idea who it is going to. Jay should be able to find a matchup that is working, and then exploit it. Coaches want rhythm but think it is harder to attain when there is no go to play, no go to guy. Defenders need to be set up to be fully exploited. I feel like the deep ball to Pryor was a good starting point. Call the same route, short. Or keep trying it until they can stop it. Work a guy underneath, and then pump and go over the top on him. Stuff like that. Bah what do I know, as Kirk posts monster QB ratings. But DCs know that once Grant or Doctson gets their 2 targets a game, they don't have to worry about them again. We don't have a go to guy. Ok it's Grant as much as anyone. There, I said it. Are you happy now? I am not. Quick, what do you try next? Crowder is my candidate to get a game plan built around in week 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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