AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 More fighting for the status quo from @twa If it was up to him NASA would still be trying to get to space by jumping off the highest rock. Green energy development stands to be the biggest investment in our nation and the world and yet they would have literally every one else benefit but us. Small minded thinking in a desperate attempt to save a handful of coal jobs when those same coal industries are already expanding into alternative energies. Seriously, twa you guys lost the argument. The world already knows better, the industry is speaking against you, and yet you insist on damning us to the horse and buggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 This is pretty bad for a cover story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Somebody put in a call to move a dead horse to the alternative energy thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: you placed that on a tee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 46 minutes ago, twa said: Nice chart .....unfortunately it did not even provide 1% of our electricity at utility scale https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3 Throw in rooftop and such and it is a massive 1.47% Dude! You are right! Since solar didn't generate all we need it must suck! No sense going after renewables because right now they don't supply what we use. REALLY @twa that's your argument? #Facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, AsburySkinsFan said: Dude! You are right! Since solar didn't generate all we need it must suck! No sense going after renewables because right now they don't supply what we use. REALLY @twa that's your argument? #Facepalm OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Freaking coal mines are looking to install solar panels on coal fields to generate electricity and create jobs...but yeah coal is our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 More yoga instructors in the US than all coal employees. I cant wait for the all powerful yogi lobby to spring up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Freaking coal mines are looking to install solar panels on coal fields to generate electricity and create jobs...but yeah coal is our future. Former coal fields, in other words empty real estate with issues that usually need addressed before solar or anything else can be built on them. I sell bellybutton lint myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, No Excuses said: More yoga instructors in the US than all coal employees. I cant wait for the all powerful yogi lobby to spring up. You know the yoga pants lobby will be out in full force...and bigly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, twa said: Former coal fields, in other words empty real estate with issues that usually need addressed before solar or anything else can be built on them. I sell bellybutton lint myself. And if it was a boondoggle then an already cash strapped industry wouldn't be investing in them in the HEART of Kentucky coal country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Conflating doing a feasibility study with actually doing leaves out the reason for doing a study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: (full disclosure... i just googled for "solar cost graph" images... i cannot testify to the exact veracity of this chart. i CAN testify that it is approximately correct, and passes the eye-ball test) When you subsidize adoption of a new technology, it leads to actual use of the technology. use of a new technology allows it to move more rapidly down the steep portion of the "dynamic cost curve" (the more the new technology is used, the more rapidly people learn to use it efficiently, and prices drop rapidly.) On the other hand, in mature industries (like thermal coal power generation, as a random example) the massive cumulative usage of the technology that has already occurred has already moved you from the steep portion of the dynamic-cost-curve (where prices drop rapidly) into the more flat portions of the curve (where costs decline much more slowly with increased usage) THIS is why you subsidize a new technology with "Positive Externalities" (a clearly defined economics term...not a poetic adjective). This ignores the fact that you are NOT charging coal generators for the "negative externalities" associated with coal power production (both particulate polution and carbon generation) AND... even ignoring the externalities (ACTUAL solar is cheaper than its market price, coal is more expensive than its market price).. solar HAS already caught up with coal in cost per KWH.... (but it still cannot replace coal as baseload power) Price quotes that show solar as massively more expensive than coal look at the average cost per KWH of existing power sources. coal remains relatively constant i terms of technological usage (but the price of coal has plummeted lately, with the sustained sluggish global economic growth, and the move AWAY from coal usage)... but the price of solar has plummeted. the cost of NEW solar is in the same ballpark as the price of NEW coal .... even BEFORE you add in the cost of better scrubbers and tack-on carbon capture technology. Historical summary of EIA's LCOE projections (2010–2017) Estimate in $/MWh Coal convent'l NG combined cycle Nuclear advanced Wind Solar of year ref for year convent'l advanced onshore offshore PV CSP 2010 [54] 2016 100.4 83.1 79.3 119.0 149.3 191.1 396.1 256.6 2011 [55] 2016 95.1 65.1 62.2 114.0 96.1 243.7 211.0 312.2 2012 [56] 2017 97.7 66.1 63.1 111.4 96.0 N/A 152.4 242.0 2013 [57] 2018 100.1 67.1 65.6 108.4 86.6 221.5 144.3 261.5 2014 [58] 2019 95.6 66.3 64.4 96.1 80.3 204.1 130.0 243.1 2015 [53] 2020 95.1 75.2 72.6 95.2 73.6 196.9 125.3 239.7 2016 [59] 2022 NB 58.1 57.2 102.8 64.5 158.1 84.7 235.9 2017 [60] 2022 NB 58.6 53.8 96.2 55.8 NB 73.7 NB Nominal change 2010–2017 NB −29% −32% −19% −63% NB −81% NB Note: Projected LCOE are adjusted for inflation and calculated on constant dollars based on two years prior to the release year of the estimate. Estimates given without any subsidies. Transmission cost for non-dispatchable sources are on average much higher. NB = "Not built" (No capacity additions are expected.) source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source the most recent solar power that has been built in the USA (2017) has cost $73 per megawatt hour.... the most recent coal Production in the USA (2015) cost $95.1 per MWH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 What does Ivanka actually do in the administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, justice98 said: What does Ivanka actually do in the administration? Whatever the hell she wants, like a good person of nobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: Lots of words and a chart (with no color or pie graph) Fake news bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, justice98 said: What does Ivanka actually do in the administration? Try to manipulate the President. Just like everybody else in the Administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, twa said: I sell bellybutton lint myself. Really? I would have guessed fertilizer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 There was an article yesterday that while Ivanka was disappointed in the decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, her real fight is going to be over "women's issues," Well....she better come up with some better negotiating skills soon..... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/31/15716778/trump-birth-control-regulation Quote The Affordable Care Act requires nearly all employers to offer health insurance that covers access to a wide array of contraceptive methods. The draft proposal, if finalized, would significantly broaden the type of companies and organizations that can request an exemption. This could lead to many American women who currently receive no-cost contraception having to pay out of pocket for their medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Really? I would have guessed fertilizer... That he gives away for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolmConnection Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I swear it's like he walks out, whips out his little pee-pee and lays it on the podium. This move seems UNIVERSALLY disliked. Social media, most news outlets and even known conservative friends are like, "Why?" Steve Bannon must have that hand lodged so far up that it's hitting the rational part of his brain (if it even exists). Bottom line is: I have never known hate like this for someone I don't know. I "say" I hate Tony Romo, but meh, I'd have a beer with him if he invited me. If Donald Trump offered me a million bucks, no strings attached, I'd tell him to go **** himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 in unrelated news... Antarctica is close to launching one of the greatest icebergs in recorded history.... an iceberg the size of Delaware. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/massive-crack-in-antarctica-ice-shelf-grows-11-miles-in-only-6-days/ar-BBBMSAL?OCID=ansmsnnews11 Making Antarctica great again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, TheMalcolmConnection said: Bottom line is: I have never known hate like this for someone I don't know. I "say" I hate Tony Romo, but meh, I'd have a beer with him if he invited me. If Donald Trump offered me a million bucks, no strings attached, I'd tell him to go **** himself. Totally agree! Loathing is my word for how I feel about Trump. 2 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: in unrelated news... Antarctica is close to launching one of the greatest icebergs in recorded history.... an iceberg the size of Delaware. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/massive-crack-in-antarctica-ice-shelf-grows-11-miles-in-only-6-days/ar-BBBMSAL?OCID=ansmsnnews11 Making Antarctica great again!!! That's an awesome accomplishment!! Good for them! I never thought they'd be able to acheive this in our lifetime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 30 minutes ago, justice98 said: What does Ivanka actually do in the administration? Make some people believe there is a moderating influence on Donald (there isn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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