The Evil Genius Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 It probably stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, PeterMP said: Why would you assume we are sicker than Switzerland (or any other country)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Please do not use BMI. Ever. It's a seriously flawed and outdated method to determine obesity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: That sounds pretty bad. lol it was. I smelled bad for weeks. Ohh .. I also had pneumonia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, The Evil Genius said: Please do not use BMI. Ever. I know, but I think it got my point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, twa said: Yet they come here for treatment for some reason. Except for rich people. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: I dont understand what "problem" single payer universal heathcare is supposed to solve. I have little knowledge on this topic. Our elderly are covered under Medicare and our low to no income are covered under Medicaid. Who has it better - medicaid vs BCBS? Single payer systems are designed to deal with the problem of costs. Specifically, they generally lower costs. Wait times can go up, especially for highly specialized non-emergency surgery. But even for specialized emergency issues there can be increased "wait times" because there is less specialized equipment (per a person or a per an area). For example, studies showed that Canadians were less likely to have a successful recovery from stroke than Americans because it took them longer to get to where they needed to get care quickly and getting good care quickly is the key to minimizing the damage from a stroke and therefore better recovery from a stroke. (Of course, then Canada spent some money to try and broaden their stroke care, but the money almost certainly had to come from somewhere else.) (There is also the issue of fraud, which is hard to deal with.). It is important to note that if fast care is a real issue for you, it is possible to have a single payer system and then still have supplemental private health insurance on top of it. 5 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: That's only one factor: "28.2% of the Swiss population smoke, according to government figures for 2012. This compares to 19% of Brits and 16.8% of Americans. There are other big differences too, that make the contrast even more marked." https://lenews.ch/2016/03/22/smoking-the-big-differences-between-switzerland-britain-and-united-states/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, PeterMP said: That's only one factor: "28.2% of the Swiss population smoke, according to government figures for 2012. This compares to 19% of Brits and 16.8% of Americans. There are other big differences too, that make the contrast even more marked." https://lenews.ch/2016/03/22/smoking-the-big-differences-between-switzerland-britain-and-united-states/ Well, I think obesity is a huge factor (pun intended). Funnily enough, i think the other biggest factor as to why i think the Swiss are much healthier is that they have government-provided cradle to grave healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 America overprescribes like nobody’s business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Trump trying to drag the Dems over the finish line for control of the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: America overprescribes like nobody’s business. What kills me is how much of this is driven by consumers. Everyone here watches the NFL, every other commercial is for prescription drugs. That is expensive TV time, so those commercials must be working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, twa said: Or I could type 3 paragraphs that you wouldn't agree with. I'm trying to reduce my carbon footprint. Yeah, taking the position that you do in most arguments, it’s probably wise that you keep your opening statements and your conclusions in close proximity to each other. Saves us all a lot of time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Please do not use BMI. Ever. It's a seriously flawed and outdated method to determine obesity. It's a simple, quick and extremely cheap measure to get broad population statistics.It's not a diagnostic method. Overweight in BMI <> unhealthy. It's a measure of weight relative to the rest of the population. And while someone classified as obese in BMI might be healthy, only 15% of people ranked as obese on BMI are healthy. If your doctor tells you that your BMI number is too high and takes no further diagnosis, then get a new doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, Larry said: I think it's guaranteed that if employers don't have to insure their employees any more, they will . . . pocket the money and pay the employees the same amount they were paying. Anybody seriously want to argue otherwise? Not really, because that is what corporations tend to do. I think it's more the idea/theory that there would be less of an excuse/argument for a lot of companies to pay the lower wages. For example I work for a pretty big company, the wages aren't terrible but compared to a lot of other similar companies in the industry they wages tend to be lower. The way this company explains that away is by saying our wages are "comprehensive" which includes the benefit package that comes with our wages. (for the sake of this discussion I will take my company's word for it) Now if healthcare was taken off the company's expenditures for every employee, I know the majority of employees would be expecting some kind of wage increase. Would they actually get one? I wouldn't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: America overprescribes like nobody’s business. 100% this. I am amazed at the amount of medication my wife has been prescribed for back pain. Worrying amounts. It's REALLY hard to walk into a doctors office and not walk out having been given something ... 22 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: What kills me is how much of this is driven by consumers. Everyone here watches the NFL, every other commercial is for prescription drugs. That is expensive TV time, so those commercials must be working. Mainly for viagra. "If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours call your doctor'" - I would call a press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, MartinC said: Mainly for viagra. "If you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours call your doctor'" - I would call a press conference. I mean, it started like that but not really anymore. There are various ED meds, but there is everything from anxiety medication, to cholesterol, to arthritis, and so forth. I actually found an article on this. https://gazette.com/sports/what-kinds-of-commercials-are-you-exposed-to-during-an/article_28a396fd-fc80-532a-b365-5a0724efbd01.html Quote Game: Denver Broncos vs. Kansas City ChiefsDate: 11/30/14Network: NBCTime: Kickoff at 6:30 p.m.Total commercials: 92Commercials by product:Southwest – 1Big Box Store (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target etc.) – 7Cars – 16NBC shows – 19Medication – 2Pizza – 0Banks – 4Insurance – 1Jewelry – 2Movie trailers – 3Candy (gum) – 1NFL (Network, Shop) – 3Tech (Amazon, Intel, Microsoft) – 4Headphones – 1Video Games – 3Fast Food that’s not pizza – 5Pepsi – 1Phones (Verizon, iPhone, Android, etc.) – 10Beer – 4Post Office – 1Army - 1Rental Car company – 1Power Company (electric, gas) – 2Cable Company – 1 Game: Denver Broncos vs. Buffalo BillsDate: 12/7/14Network: CBSTime: Kickoff at 2:05 p.m.Total commercials: 105Commercials by product:Southwest – 2Big Box Store – 8Cars – 15CBS shows – 20Medication – 5Pizza – 3Underwear (Hanes, Fruit of the Loom) – 3Banks – 2Insurance – 7Jewelry – 5Movie trailers – 2Legos – 1Candy (M&Ms) – 1Pro-Fracking – 1NFL – 5Tech – 8Headphones – 3Video Games – 2Fast Food that’s not pizza – 3FedEx – 1Pepsi – 2Phones – 4Beer – 2 In 2 games, there were 39 drug ads compared to 15 for cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: In 2 games, there were 39 drug ads compared to 15 for cars. I’m no business whiz, but I do know this. Marketing budget typically correlates to overall profitability, with rare exception. IOW, they’re making a metric ****-ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You know the ad budget is roomy when you’re making ads specifically targeted to blind folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 One commercial break I noticed 3 allergy relief commercials in a row. It's gotten where you can make a list of the stuff you think you need by watching TV, then go to the doctor and get scripts for said stuff. But most of us can't get weed legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said: The last line is the key one. There is a way. Nobody is willing to address it though. You talking about the tar pits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 So Trump will meet the leader of Iran with no preconditions. Why can't he do the same with Mueller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 There are a lot of prescription ads now. I was just commenting to my wife on one of them last night, that it sounds great except for those couple of side effects they listed that could be fatal. No thanks. I know how they generate their data, and they don't know most of the side effects until the drug has been on the market for a few years, because their sample sizes in clinical trials are relatively small compared to the population size of target market indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You know...I think Trump truly and honestly believes that he's handling these summits masterfully and everything he says about how great they were is true. That would be pretty hilarious if it didn't involve things like nuclear war. The guy is so delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I agree, China. A medicine to fix one thing can cause three problems I've never had? **** that noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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