The Consigliere Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, srtman04 said: Hope they are smart enough to tank the rest of the season. They need to take advantage of this upcoming QB class... They are not. Historically when the team has had starts this bad, they've blown it with meaningless wins to play their way out of top draft picks. The most painful versions of this happened in the fall of '98, fall of '09, '10 and '11, and again in the fall of '19 and '20. Some years it mattered less. This draft is top heavy in elite QB prospects like 2012, 2017, 2018, 2020, and 2021. Some years it plays out well (2012, 2017, 2020) some years it doesn't or seems not to (2018, 2021). We'll see how this one plays out. For now, it does look like there's a top 2 again, and 4 or so likely to go top 10-12. Before the season started if memory serves, I put our ceiling at around 9-10 wins, our floor at about 4-5, and our expected wins just in line with Vegas at 7 or 7.5. Now looking at the schedule, 5-7 wins seems the most likely. We're going to need to keep that as low as possible and while infuriating is a strong word, winning the season opener was a complete and total disaster since we likely won't win opponent winning percentage tie breakers. Our chief competitors in slotting who seem likely to be interested in QB include Seattle, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, NYJ, Carolina, and Detroit (am I forgetting anyone?). I definitely see Seattle, Carolina and Detroit as prioritizing QB, the others are more open to question.... Praying we stall out at 4-13, or 5-12 at best, if we win more than 5, we probably pick up the leftover crumbs. We're benefiting potentially from teams being caught between QB's which should help as well as teams like NYG, catching a run, and likely playing themselves out of options. I don't know what teams like Atlanta, Chicago, NYJ, New Orleans, Indy, Houston, and Tennessee will do. All of them save for New Orleans and Indy have young potential answers in house, do they still want a QB? I think Chicago and NYJ will stand pat, but pending record, I think Atlanta, New Orleans, Indy and Houston might pull the record if they crap out enough. I will note, this was one of many reasons I've wanted us to trade down for future picks the last three drafts and been increasingly frustrated that we haven't. One day we'll be run by forward thinking GM's, but it's probably unlikely to be soon. Btw, if you want to know a sign about the team being run by halfway intelligent people, look for them to unload players at the deadline to improve the tank, and add picks for the loaded '23 class. Needless to say, THEY WON'T, but they sure as hell should, and a smart team WOULD. To be fair to the chuckleheads that have run this team into the ground over the past 30 years or so, almost no NFL teams utilize the trade deadline because this is the ultimate CYA league where coaches and GM's fear losing their gigs if they waive the white flag on seasons, but when you have a loaded QB draft, and your team lacks an answer at QB, you sure as hell should. Edited October 9, 2022 by The Consigliere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytoAli Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: I'm not buying Howell develops into a franchise QB, not with this coaching staff, or Ron admits this quickly to Wentz being a mistake. Year 4 isn't a rebuild year of any administration, its win now or never mode... Gonna sell the future for one season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 minute ago, ClaytoAli said: Gonna sell the future for one season? Snyder probably jus scared of the optics of firing a minority coach right now...he may Marvin Lewis us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, srtman04 said: That would be the dumbest thing he could do for the direction of this franchise. I would do everything possible to convince synder that it's in the best interest to tank this season and play for the draft. Drop Carson now to keep conditional 2nd. That's the problem with keeping guys around when they are on win or your fired contracts. They will sell everything in sight to keep their paycheck and gig another year. Tanking is a win, win, win. *You get a chance at a top pick in a rare draft loaded at the QB position ('23 has 2 top 2-3 guys, and 4 top 10 guys). *You keep your '23 2nd rounder by sitting Wentz, rather than trading it. *You get to roll out Howell so you can figure out if he's worth keeping around as a legit starting QB kind of guy a la Cousins, or merely backup fodder, a la Cary Conklin. You keep rolling out Wentz you cost yourself a second, you hurt your draft slotting in his rare good games, and you learn nothing about Howell. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 We're going to find a way to screw up and fall to #9. Bet on it! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 The good thing is, with our OL issues, we might not need to try to tank. We might legitimately lose out. The games I see that are potential wins are the Bears this week, the Falcons, and the Texans. But even then, I don't think we'll be favored in any of those games. Lets say we win two of those three. Then due to general NFL randomness we'll win one other game. Maybe two. Think last year when we beat the Bucs and Raiders. I have us finishing with 5 wins but could be as low as 3 or as high as 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderInTheRye Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Even if we got the first pick, in what some say is a great QB draft, I don't trust Ron Rivera and the Marties to make the right choice. We are doomed... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.redskins Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 If Ron doesn't get fired, he is not taking a rookie QB. Rookie QBs are a long process to develop, 2-3 years minimum with a lot a really bad games in-between. Ron isn't waiting that long. I also don't want a coach on the hot seat drafting a QB. Time after time Dan forces a new coach to develop a QB he didn't draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinky Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Our luck they will bench Wentz just before 70% to save the 2nd rounder but then Heineke and Howell both get hurt and Wentz has to play the last 1-2 games and gets over 70% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 We're pretty bad and may not have to try too hard to tank but sticking Howell in there should put a bow on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 We'll win a bunch down the road and **** up our draft position. Teams like the Colts and Steelers will win 1 or 2 games and then draft their next QB for a decade. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mexican Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 TANK now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) If we send the Colts a top 40 pick for Carson ****ing Wentz I’m gonna become an Eagles fan like @Koolblue13 Edited October 10, 2022 by Llevron 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Llevron said: If we send the Colts a top 40 pick for Carson ****ing Wentz I’m gonna become and Eagles fan like @Koolblue13 Smart man. This teams awesome. BTW, end of the game, Eagles were in a similar spot to us and Hurts almost threw a pick. Big difference between both clubs. Although Eagles only won, because the Cards made 3 big mistakes on the last drive. 8 minutes ago, Llevron said: If we send the Colts a top 40 pick for Carson ****ing Wentz I’m gonna become and Eagles fan like @Koolblue13 And don't forget, the Eagles have the Saints 1rst pick, which before today was higher than ours. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebestian Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Llevron said: If we send the Colts a top 40 pick for Carson ****ing Wentz I’m gonna become an Eagles fan like @Koolblue13 BLASPHEMY!! @Koolblue13 you have too much influence on this board 😡 LOL Great thread. Question to the board. Stroud or Young? If we happen to get the first overall pick, who are you taking. I have not seen enough of either one, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 41 minutes ago, Llevron said: If we send the Colts a top 40 pick for Carson ****ing Wentz I’m gonna become an Eagles fan like @Koolblue13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedSkinsfan Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, sebestian said: BLASPHEMY!! @Koolblue13 you have too much influence on this board 😡 LOL Great thread. Question to the board. Stroud or Young? If we happen to get the first overall pick, who are you taking. I have not seen enough of either one, to be honest. If the draft were today I'd say Young, but like we've been talking about in the draft room the biggest concern is his small frame and durability, other than that he checks the boxes. No real generational QBs in this draft, just a much deeper class with a bunch of really good QBs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, sebestian said: BLASPHEMY!! @Koolblue13 you have too much influence on this board 😡 LOL Great thread. Question to the board. Stroud or Young? If we happen to get the first overall pick, who are you taking. I have not seen enough of either one, to be honest. We need to focus on getting the number 1 pick at this point. The tank is on! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwards Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) If we're picking really high, this team better choose a QB. If there is any team that ever needed to hedge their bets at that position, it's this one. I've been saying since it was announced that Wentz ain't gonna get it done. He's a waste of time. We know TH isn't going to get it. I don't care if they play Howell and he looks great, if we're picking really high, TAKE A ****ING QUARTERBACK!!! Edited October 10, 2022 by Redwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Not to be nitpicking, but I believe we are currently 4th and could drop to 5th if KC wins. At least, according to Tankathon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMeisterGeneral Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 It's a horrible feeling wanting us to lose, but its for our own good we have to tank now, we need to embrace it before Ron drags us out of range for a stud QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I didn't like the Wentz trade at all because I thought we'll cement our position as a mediocre 7-10 win team. If we end up with the #1 or #2 pick and are in position to restart with a promising rookie QB (some cap space and a new coaching staff) then I will take back everything I have said. Unfortunately, we all know that we are going to win a couple of meaningless games down the road, end up with pick 7 or so, will play Wentz for more than 70% of the snaps and will look worse than ever before with no QB, no second rounder and no plan for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, BrentMeisterGeneral said: It's a horrible feeling wanting us to lose, but its for our own good we have to tank now, we need to embrace it before Ron drags us out of range for a stud QB Just gotta BEAR DOWN and take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 How did the colts get something for wentz and we got nothing for cousins… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said: How did the colts get something for wentz and we got nothing for cousins… They are a better run organization. We are the WORST run over the past 25 years, I am sure of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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