Curtis Samuel in 2022?

[method man]

I have a feeling year 2 is going to be a bust as well and thy end up cutting him after the 2022 season. Was never a fan of his and was meh when they signed him. The guy didn't show much before 2020 and had a career year in a contract year. Let's also keep in mind this coaching staff isn't good at using players to their strengths.

[Renegade7]

8 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Treat him like Jordan Reed. Pretend he doesn't even exist on your roster and anything you get out of him is a bonus.

 

We should cut him if thats the case, but it isn't.

 

I do believe 2021 was an anomaly injury-wise for him, he normally misses 1-2 games a season, so expecting him to play all 17 ar any point with use probably isn't realistic.

 

But if he has another season like 2021, f it, cut him.

[duffy]

Curtis is going to easily surpass 1,000 total yards in a bounce back year. 

[Stone Cold]

Any expectation for this guy in 2022 is folly.  I hope he balls out tho

[Warhead36]

28 minutes ago, duffy said:

Curtis is going to easily surpass 1,000 total yards in a bounce back year. 

I mean 1000 yards over 17 games in today's pass happy NFL isn't that much. Its like, 60 yards per game? 

[duffy]

16 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I mean 1000 yards over 17 games in today's pass happy NFL isn't that much. Its like, 60 yards per game? 

I'm sorry I wasn't bold enough for you 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by duffy

[FootballZombie]

I think he contributes.

I also believe he is closer to a #3 than a #2 WR, especially in an offense that does not stretch the field.

 

If we get a QB that can better maximize his skillset, I'll change my standing and think he is closer to a 2 than a 3

[gooseneck]

I believe he did not fumble once this year and also, he did not drop a pass.  

[London Kev]

4 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I mean 1000 yards over 17 games in today's pass happy NFL isn't that much. Its like, 60 yards per game? 

 

There were only 27 receivers in the league who averaged more than 60 yards a game this season, so it has to be considered low #1 / high #2 receiver numbers.

 

Rnk	Name	Team	GP	Rec	Yds	Yds/G
1	Cooper Kupp	LAR	17	145	1,947	114.5
2	Davante Adams	GB	16	123	1,553	97.1
3	Justin Jefferson	MIN	17	108	1,616	95.1
4	Deebo Samuel	SF	16	77	1,405	87.8
5	Ja'Marr Chase	CIN	17	81	1,455	85.6
6	Chris Godwin	TB	14	98	1,103	78.8
7	Tee Higgins	CIN	14	74	1,091	77.9
8	Antonio Brown	TB	7	42	545	77.9
9	Tyler Lockett	SEA	16	73	1,175	73.4
10	Tyreek Hill	KC	17	111	1,239	72.9
11	Diontae Johnson	PIT	16	107	1,161	72.6
12	Stefon Diggs	BUF	17	103	1,225	72.1
13	Mike Williams	LAC	16	76	1,146	71.6
14	Keenan Allen	LAC	16	106	1,138	71.1
15	CeeDee Lamb	DAL	16	79	1,102	68.9
16	DJ Moore	CAR	17	93	1,157	68.1
17	Henry Ruggs	IIILV	7	24	469	67.0
18	A.J. Brown	TEN	13	63	869	66.8
19	Brandin Cooks	HOU	16	90	1,037	64.8
20	Mike Evans	TB	16	74	1,035	64.7
21	Michael Pittman Jr	IND	17	88	1,082	63.6
22	Jaylen Waddle	MIA	16	104	1,015	63.4
23	Marquise Brown	BAL	16	91	1,008	63.0
24	Darnell Mooney	CHI	17	81	1,055	62.1
25	Terry McLaurin	WSH	17	77	1,053	61.9
26	Robert Woods	LAR	9	45	556	61.8
27	Hunter Renfrow	LV	17	103	1,038	61.1
28	Christian Kirk	ARI	17	77	982	57.8
29	Amari Cooper	DAL	15	68	865	57.7
30	Chase Claypool	PIT	15	59	860	57.3
31	DeAndre Hopkins	ARI	10	42	572	57.2
32	DK Metcalf	SEA	17	75	967	56.9

[Die Hard]

11 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I mean 1000 yards over 17 games in today's pass happy NFL isn't that much. Its like, 60 yards per game? 

For a #2 receiver that’s fantastic production. There aren’t many WR tandems that gain 1000 yards.

[Malapropismic Depository]

I'd bring him back.

He looks like he can still play.

 

 

[CobraCommander]

His yardage will have a lot to do with who is throwing the ball. His health is a huge question mark but it is for everyone

[philibusters]

On 1/14/2022 at 10:31 PM, Warhead36 said:

I mean 1000 yards over 17 games in today's pass happy NFL isn't that much. Its like, 60 yards per game? 

 

In fairness, even before this season, most didn't see Samuel as an elite receiver.   He was a borderline no. 1 receiver who was very versatile.  If he broke 1000 receiving yards but barely, that wouldn't make him elite, but it would align with the player we thought we were getting.

[oraphus]

Samuels was brought it as a swiss knife... meaning 60/40 WR/RB. He could easily have 700yds receiving and 500 rushing as a smaller Debo type receiver, if healthy. 

[method man]

17 hours ago, oraphus said:

Samuels was brought it as a swiss knife... meaning 60/40 WR/RB. He could easily have 700yds receiving and 500 rushing as a smaller Debo type receiver, if healthy. 

I don’t think we’d quite see this with McKissic around

18 hours ago, philibusters said:

 

In fairness, even before this season, most didn't see Samuel as an elite receiver.   He was a borderline no. 1 receiver who was very versatile.  If he broke 1000 receiving yards but barely, that wouldn't make him elite, but it would align with the player we thought we were getting.

No one thought Samuel was a borderline no 1 WR. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

On 1/14/2022 at 10:42 AM, Warhead36 said:

Treat him like Jordan Reed. Pretend he doesn't even exist on your roster and anything you get out of him is a bonus.

This is how I treat everyone on the roster 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Burgundy Yoda

[NoCalMike]

Isn't Cooper Kupp a good example of not needing the most talented WR in order to get a ton of production out of them.  The QB, the scheme, where you have them line up etc etc.....remember when Crowder looked like an emerging star in the slot?  

 

Wes Welker is another good example.

 

Sometimes it takes an offensive coordinator with a creative mind to maximize talent and skillsets.   

[Conn]

Thinking Cooper Kupp isn’t monstrously talented is a mistake. Welker was good of course but a much better example of someone who was schemed into a lot of his production, utilizing what he was special at (insanely quick feet off the line and incredible route running within 5-10 yards) to almost replace a running game when necessary. On the other hand, Kupp is a beast, and wrecks some of the best CB’s in the game down the field. It’s not like he’s missing pedigree either—he had injury issues for a couple years but he was a 3rd rounder coming out. He’s worked the way guys like Adams have to perfect the technical aspects of their game to break out and dominate after a slower start. He’s elite and not at all the product of a system, watch how he wins. Everyone on the field knows he’s getting the ball and he wins all over. He may be more of an incredible route runner than freak athlete, but that’s been true of plenty of studs. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by ConnSKINS26

[NoCalMike]

1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Thinking Cooper Kupp isn’t monstrously talented is a mistake. Welker was good of course but a much better example of someone who was schemed into a lot of his production, utilizing what he was special at (insanely quick feet off the line and incredible route running within 5-10 yards) to almost replace a running game when necessary. On the other hand, Kupp is a beast, and wrecks some of the best CB’s in the game down the field. It’s not like he’s missing pedigree either—he had injury issues for a couple years but he was a 3rd rounder coming out. He’s worked the way guys like Adams have to perfect the technical aspects of their game to break out and dominate after a slower start. He’s elite and not at all the product of a system, watch how he wins. Everyone on the field knows he’s getting the ball and he wins all over. He may be more of an incredible route runner than freak athlete, but that’s been true of plenty of studs. 

 

I am not discounting his talent, but I look at the way our fanbase gets down on Terry because he isn't out there putting up dominant stats every single game and it makes me wish we had a QB that could actually get him the ball without him have to become an acrobat on throws over 20 yards and enough talent around him where the defense couldn't just shadow him with extra defenders all the time.    Terry's skillset is very similar, very much rooted in his ability to run very precise routes that create space.   

[Conn]

6 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

 

I am not discounting his talent

This is the bit I was responding to, but I of course agree that with a better QB McLaurin will be better:

 

8 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

Isn't Cooper Kupp a good example of not needing the most talented WR in order to get a ton of production out of them.

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

Gotta keep that groin loose!

[NoCalMike]

On 1/26/2022 at 4:18 AM, ConnSKINS26 said:

This is the bit I was responding to, but I of course agree that with a better QB McLaurin will be better:

 

 

 

I guess maybe I misspoke or made a confusing statement when I used the term talent.  I more meant that Cupp isn't an athletic freak out there the way someone like a Deebo Samuel or DK Metcalf or ODB Jr is.   Cupp is great for his own reasons and that is why I liken McLaurin to Cupp in some ways.  I just wish McLaurin had the supporting cast, and QB to help.

[Panninho]

I don't see a reason why he can't become a big contributor, as long as we utilize him correctly. He should have a role similar to Deebo's role in SF. Let him work the slot and use him from the RB position to create some mismatches. He is also a good deep threat, so you should send him deep a couple of times per game. The thing is, you have to get really creative to maximize his talent.

Yeah, he is injury prone, so that is always a question but so was Deebo Samuel before this season. If Deebo can turn it around why not Curtis? He is still only 26 and even though he has been in the league 2 years longer than Deebo, he is younger than him. I am optimistic with regards to him but in reality it all comes down to our QB position.

[Est.1974]

Get another receiver in to pair with Terry. Then figure out how best to utilise Samuel. 

[illone]

Deebo Samuels?

 

yes is he available?!