The Official ES 2021 Free Agency Thread / Tracker Fitzpatrick, Curtis Samuel, William Jackson, LB Mayo, C Larsen WR Humphries, CB D. Roberts, KR D. Carter , LT Charles Leno, S Bobby McCain signed

[KillBill26]

1 hour ago, method man said:

 

On another note, I am still not getting the Samuel love. Given that we all know this may be the deepest draft ever for slot receiver types and we should have great options in round 2 and 3, can someone explain why we should spend $8M+ a year on Samuel? Who wouldn't take one of Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, Shi Smith, Tylan Wallace or Demetric Felton in rd 3 over that?

Samuel has been near the top of my list, @Long Time Fan hit the nail on the head, and I agree with you there is great value with those names you mentioned.  I hope we sign samuel and get one of those guys on day 2.  We need more weapons, adding just one guy isn't going to cut it, especially since we will be trotting out qbs that we aren't sure are the long term answer at qb or not. Give him some weapons and see what he can do.

Edited March 11, 2021 by KillBill26

[carex]

51 minutes ago, dyst said:

Might as well get your mindset on the notion that we have to draft our way to relevance and honestly that’s the best way to go. Big name free agents have no reason to come here if money is equal.

 

we're not looking for big name free agents.  We have enough needs we'd probably need to draft 4 starters and 3 top backups.  That's not a reasonable expectation, we have to go free agency

[DWinzit]

16 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

He has one of his best seasons last year so I don't think he's slowed yet.

 

 

I was around the same on both Brown and Milano but I just got to that point recently.  I was listening to a PFF guy explain in detail on a podcast how Milano is overrated.  Conversly, heard a Titans reporter hype the heck out of Brown.  So maybe its the recency effect with me.  😀

 

 

I like Zaven.  I am ok with Cox.  But I am not going in married to anyone.  We can't IMO bank on a position in the draft early on.  You got to let the board play out.  What happens for example if we can get a good LT at 19 and lets say a WR in the 2nd.  And lets say we get a surprise drop in the 3rd at TE lets say Tremble or Jordan, etc -- IMO you let the board play out.  I hate the idea of saying heck we got to take Zaven Collins or Jamin Davis in the first no matter who else is at that pick or if not then we got to take Werner or Bolton or Cox if they land in the 2nd even if a player we love more like lets say Elijah Moore lands at that spot  Or whatever permutation.  I think you got to be open to anything IMO. 

Too funny, it does sound like we have been on the same page with much of the above. 

My only concern with Wright was Seattle moving him and him having an off year the year prior.

I have always like Brown and Alexander a lot.

Milano I had reservations on but knw he was ok...finally said ok, he is the guy they want...last night LOL. Maybe I jinxed us

It is really too bad a guy like Perryman wasn't faster.

I would go hard at Brown with an eye on Wright and Wilson.

They really need one of these guys signed moving to the draft so they aren't forced to take a guy. then they can grab a LB anyplace in the top 3 rounds depending on how the fall.

 

[Skin'emAlive]

57 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I've pushed for Zaven Collins on the draft thread among others.  Yet, I am with Rivera's mindset as he expressed in his press conference, he hates being boxed in to take a position in the draft.   If we have to take Zaven Collins in the draft because we have a gaping hole at that spot for me its yuck as much as I like the player.  I want flexibility. 

Theres flexibility, and then there’s a big time starter contract. We went with flexible contracts and vets last year. If you sign Milano to the type of deal he just signed with Buffalo, he’s your guy. I feel confident that we will have a quality tackle prospect like Dillashaw or lb like Collins available at 19. I’d be happy with either. 

57 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Skin'emAlive

[Skinsinparadise]

26 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

Theres flexibility, and then there’s a big time starter contract. We went with flexible contracts and vets last year. If you sign Milano to the type of deal he just signed with Buffalo, he’s your guy. I feel confident that we will have a quality tackle prospect like Dillashaw or lb like Collins available at 19. I’d be happy with either. 

 

For me I want them to take whichever player they love most -- whether its N. Harris, Z. Collins, Darrisaw, Koramoah, Bateman or name that surprise faller.

 

I don't think you can leave FA with nothing at MLB if the idea is improving the spot.   Unless they are cool with bringing back Bostic and the whole gang and stinking at MLB again.  If they are cool with stinking again at MLB then I am cool with skipping FA.  And I don't mean that sarcastically.  I mean that the draft board might not flow at MLB.   It may or may not.  And if Rivera and company are cool with another rodeo at stinking at MLB then i'll go for that ride.  I want whatever they want. 

 

Scot was asked about DT after the 2016 draft -- since we were so weak at that spot then so why didn't they take a DT high in the draft.  His answer was the board just didn't work out on that front.  It came out later that they were likely targeting J. Reed in the 2nd but he was taken before the pick.  But they doubled down on having bad DT play back to back years and didn't address the spot until the year after that.

 

I suspect based on what Rivera said in the press conference, he will sign a MLB FA.   The one point he doubled down on in the press conference is he hates drafting for need and likes to use FO to help avoid that.  So i am guessing its slam dunk we are going to sign a Wr and LB in FA.  But who knows?  Will see. 

34 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

Too funny, it does sound like we have been on the same page with much of the above. 

My only concern with Wright was Seattle moving him and him having an off year the year prior.

I have always like Brown and Alexander a lot.

Milano I had reservations on but knw he was ok...finally said ok, he is the guy they want...last night LOL. Maybe I jinxed us

It is really too bad a guy like Perryman wasn't faster.

I would go hard at Brown with an eye on Wright and Wilson.

They really need one of these guys signed moving to the draft so they aren't forced to take a guy. then they can grab a LB anyplace in the top 3 rounds depending on how the fall.

 

 

I am not sold on Wilson.  He's not hot against the run.   But I do like Brown and Wright a lot.    Morrow intrigues me as for WLB. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Darth Tater]

8 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

I think his footwork is inconsistent, but fixable. He has talent and is worth it in the 3rd, not the 1st.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-simms-2021-draft-qb-165042397.html

Chris Simms’ 2021 Draft QB Rankings:

1. Zach Wilson (BYU)

2. Trevor Lawrence (Clemson)

3. Mac Jones (Alabama)

4. Kellen Mond (Texas A&M)

5. Justin Fields (Ohio State)

6. Trey Lance (North Dakota St)

POed many NFL people, especially since they hope Mond would stay under the radar.

[Burgundy Yoda]

I think we only need one LB and I'm not sure we should get one in FA. I do like Jayon Brown, like most around here seem to. That also means there's probably a hefty market for him, as he's clearly a pretty good player. We just need someone to call the plays and replace Bostic. The reason why I like someone like a Zaven Collins is because he has a good amount of QB experience, plus the athletic traits you look for at the position. I like his upside as a commander for our defense. 

 

We rarely play 3 LB sets and Ron has hinted at wanting KPL back to play that position. I don't see the value in signing someone to a large contract that is on the field 25% - 30% of the defensive snaps. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Burgundy Yoda

[Darth Tater]

7 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Yeah, agree there is some associated pain. But it still demonstrates what can be done even in what was an extreme salary cap position for them.

Many NFL non-rookie contracts are designed to end about 2 years before actual end. A 5 year deal is often a 3 year deal and year 4 is the extend or cut year (if no extension or cut, year 4 is the last in most cases).

[Ball Security]

Mark Ingram to Houston.  I think it said 1 year/$3M.

[DWinzit]

24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I don't think you can leave FA with nothing at MLB if the idea is improving the spot. 

 

I suspect based on what Rivera said in the press conference, he will sign a MLB FA.   The one point he doubled down on in the press conference is he hates drafting for need and likes to use FO to help avoid that. 

 

I am not sold on Wilson.  He's not hot against the run.   But I do like Brown and Wright a lot.    Morrow intrigues me as for WLB. 

I agree they must have more a athletic guy than Bostic that can play the middle before the draft. It will give them flexibility in grabbing a MLB or outside guy depending on availability. there are a number of options after the first round. The absolutely need at least 2 LBs. Heck if they cut Bostic whats that leave them with, 2.

 

Wilson and is a guy that can play inside or out. Morrow is one of few similar that could do it. There are not a lot of good options right now if we miss on Brown. 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

19 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I think we only need one LB and I'm not sure we should get one in FA. I do like Jayon Brown, like most around here seem to. That also means there's probably a hefty market for him, as he's clearly a pretty good player. We just need someone to call the plays and replace Bostic. The reason why I like someone like a Zaven Collins is because he has a good amount of QB experience, plus the athletic traits you look for at the position. I like his upside as a commander for our defense. 

 

We rarely play 3 LB sets and Ron has hinted at wanting KPL back to play that position. I don't see the value in signing someone to a large contract that is on the field 25% - 30% of the defensive snaps. 

 

I am pretty sure i was the one who introduced Zaven Collins to the draft thread way back earlier in the college season last year.  I've watched some of his games and read a lot about him. So I am certainly a fan of him.  If I had to guess right now who lands at 19, I think for me at least he wouldn't be my favorite get.  But if I traded down some (and I think there is a good shot he's still there) he becomes more attractive for me. 

 

I am not so sure he's ready to call the defense at MIKE LB considering he didn't even play that spot in college.  He played outside.  Converting to MLB will be a transition for him.  He's a fun player and a physical freak.  But I'd be surprised if Ron from the jump put him as the play caller at MIKE and have him play a role he's never played in college.  I'd think there would be some type of transition to make it easier for him to convert to the spot that wouldn't demand he also call the plays from the jump.  But who knows that's just my theory.

 

1 minute ago, DWinzit said:

I agree they must have more a athletic guy than Bostic that can play the middle before the draft. It will give them flexibility in grabbing a MLB or outside guy depending on availability. there are a number of options after the first round. The absolutely need at least 2 LBs. Heck if they cut Bostic whats that leave them with, 2.

 

Wilson and is a guy that can play inside or out. Morrow is one of few similar that could do it. There are not a lot of good options right now if we miss on Brown. 

 

 

 

 

I don't trust Wilson or Murrow to play inside.  IMO they aren't good enough run stoppers.  But I'd be ok with them playing WLB and I like Murrow over Wilson. 

 

As for MLB -- I like J. Brown.  K. Wright. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Koolblue13]

I'd love Murrow and draft Bolton who'd take over from Bostic by midseason.

[Malapropismic Depository]

Surprised Van Noy's name hasn't been mentioned since his release

[KDawg]

1 hour ago, Darth Tater said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-simms-2021-draft-qb-165042397.html

Chris Simms’ 2021 Draft QB Rankings:

1. Zach Wilson (BYU)

2. Trevor Lawrence (Clemson)

3. Mac Jones (Alabama)

4. Kellen Mond (Texas A&M)

5. Justin Fields (Ohio State)

6. Trey Lance (North Dakota St)

POed many NFL people, especially since they hope Mond would stay under the radar.

Pissed me off because he has Mond above the Franchise, Shane Buechele.

[Lovi]

I wonder how Harmon is doing. I think he did really well as a possession type receiver before his injury. If they have an idea how he’s recovering it may change their WR outlook some 

[TheShredder]

21 minutes ago, Lovi said:

I wonder how Harmon is doing. I think he did really well as a possession type receiver before his injury. If they have an idea how he’s recovering it may change their WR outlook some 

Maybe try reading his thread...

 

 

[Burgundy Yoda]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I am pretty sure i was the one who introduced Zaven Collins to the draft thread way back earlier in the college season last year.  I've watched some of his games and read a lot about him. So I am certainly a fan of him.  If I had to guess right now who lands at 19, I think for me at least he wouldn't be my favorite get.  But if I traded down some (and I think there is a good shot he's still there) he becomes more attractive for me. 

 

I am not so sure he's ready to call the defense at MIKE LB considering he didn't even play that spot in college.  He played outside.  Converting to MLB will be a transition for him.  He's a fun player and a physical freak.  But I'd be surprised if Ron from the jump put him as the play caller at MIKE and have him play a role he's never played in college.  I'd think there would be some type of transition to make it easier for him to convert to the spot that wouldn't demand he also call the plays from the jump.  But who knows that's just my theory. 

I only really start paying attention to prospects after the season, im not a frequent poster in the draft threads until then. I can see why you introduced him, he jumps out at the screen when you watch him.

 

At 19, I think he's safe because in the mid 20s there's quite a few teams that could use him, plus I can see teams falling in love with the traits, people might even trade up for him.

 

Has he never played on the inside at all in college? A lot of draft sites are projecting him to be an MLB it seems like. Honestly, I feel just as comfortable, if not more comfortable with Collins on the inside than I would with Parsons. Parsons is a converted DE but I question him in coverage and being able to call plays. 

 

There's definitely going to be a transition for him, but I think he's capable and from everything I've read, Collins seems like a workaholic-type and an intelligent person. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Burgundy Yoda

[Lovi]

38 minutes ago, TheShredder said:

Maybe try reading his thread...

 

 

I realize he has his own thread. But I suppose I should have said I wonder how the front office feels about his progress and how that relates to FA. 

[method man]

4 hours ago, KillBill26 said:

Samuel has been near the top of my list, @Long Time Fan hit the nail on the head, and I agree with you there is great value with those names you mentioned.  I hope we sign samuel and get one of those guys on day 2.  We need more weapons, adding just one guy isn't going to cut it, especially since we will be trotting out qbs that we aren't sure are the long term answer at qb or not. Give him some weapons and see what he can do.

 

Both Samuel and these guys are slot receivers. They play the position. I am up for signing a receiver in free agency but I want a boundary receiver.

[method man]

4 hours ago, Long Time Fan said:

Samuel is versatile and played outside a lot in Carolina - not just the slot.  He's fast (ran a 4.31 forty) and Scott Turner and Ron are familiar with him and already know different ways they can use him.  I agree with your premise that while we need help at receiver we should not over pay for a slot receiver given the talent in the draft (there are a number of other names you can add to that list you created) but I don't think anyone is suggesting adding Samuel simply to play him in the slot.  He's fast, can stretch the field for us, can be used in creative ways, and will likely be cheaper than the Golladay and Juju's of free agency.   All things considered I would take Golladay over Samuel but picking up Samuel to pair opposite of Terry would be a big improvement for the team.  

 

Didn't see your post when I commented on the other guy's post. Samuel isn't a very good outside receiver. Furthermore, he sucked until this past year. His 2019 was terrible with just 54 receptions on 105 targets. He has had a hands problem in the past that didn't show up this year. That is something that he can revert to

 

If we are going to pay a receiver, pay a proven boundary receiver because those guys are harder to find

4 hours ago, DWinzit said:

Wright is one of my favorite players period. The only reason Wright hasn't been on my list and I tried to ignore David was age....goes against what RR has been saying he is looking for. Wright would be great on a short contract but has he slowed? 

I have liked Brown over Milano all along. Alexander is another legit guy if healthy as he returns from injury.

I like Wilson after that then Avery

Still need more than one LB.

Need at least of the above and at least one top 2'3 rounds in the draft. Would love Zaven 1st or Cox 2nd plus any one of the above guys.

It sucks the options are dwindling instead of expanding as cuts occur

 

I get London Fletcher vibes from KJ Wright. Respected former Super Bowl winner with only 1 Pro Bowl under his belt (I get Fletcher had 0 before coming here). I think he is quite underrated and would bring strong leadership to the back 7

[757SeanTaylor21]

Why not trade for cj mosely from the jets? He was a bona-fide star on ravens and we chased him hard when he was a free agent for mlb

[Skin'emAlive]

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

For me I want them to take whichever player they love most -- whether its N. Harris, Z. Collins, Darrisaw, Koramoah, Bateman or name that surprise faller.

 

I am not sold on Wilson.  He's not hot against the run.   But I do like Brown and Wright a lot.    Morrow intrigues me as for WLB. 

Koramoah is a hybrid backer that wont be able to play inside. I feel that LC can play that hybrid role if he returns from injury. I’m more interested in Z Collins because he has fantastic size, and enough athletic ability to cover the middle. Is he a sideline to sideline demon like D White? No. But if he were, he’d be a top 10 prospect. 
 

I don’t have the faith you all have in KJ. He’s played with a HOF his entire career. And that guy hasn’t slowed down yet. 

[method man]

2 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Surprised Van Noy's name hasn't been mentioned since his release

 

Galdi has talked about him but not sure where he would fit on this team. 

31 minutes ago, 757SeanTaylor21 said:

Why not trade for cj mosely from the jets? He was a bona-fide star on ravens and we chased him hard when he was a free agent for mlb

 

The Jets have a TON of cap room. No need for them to move Mosely. He is going to be the quarterback of Saleh's defense

[PartyPosse]

With Robert Foster not being tendered, Stephen Sims is gonna have to drop even more balls to make up for that production.

44 minutes ago, 757SeanTaylor21 said:

Why not trade for cj mosely from the jets? He was a bona-fide star on ravens and we chased him hard when he was a free agent for mlb

Because starting next year his cap hit is a minimum 17.5

[Malapropismic Depository]

13 minutes ago, method man said:

 

Galdi has talked about him but not sure where he would fit on this team. 

 

 

 

Pick a spot.

We have a lot of different openings at LB