A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[klwilkins1977]

The League is one disgruntled employee/Gloria Allred press conference from p.r. ruin.  EEOC laws are neatly undefeated and the court of public opinion enjoys a near perfect record also.  It may in the League's best interest to rip the bandage off (release the emails) as a way of showing it is serious about reforms.

[profusion]

Dan not having/using an email account makes me think of that scene in one of the mafia movies where the hoods meet in a parking lot or some such to avoid the wiretaps.

 

So classy.

[RichmondRedskin88]

8 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Snyder might not be directly involved in anything nefarious, but at some point you have to look at it from the perspective that everyone Snyder hires seems to have such a poor opinion of the guy or just feel they can get away with running this frat boy circus under his nose and he is too oblivious to notice at all and/or get involved to put a stop to it.   This stuff has pretty much reached as high as it can without touching Snyder directly (yet) but I think there is a legitimate case to be made by the NFL at large that Snyder is incapable of running a functioning NFL franchise.  Whether that alone is enough to pressure him to sell? Who knows, but you couple all of this with the fact that the franchise has been a loser on the field for the majority of his time as owner and......ugh.

Yeah but you have to actually show he knew this was going on.  Yeah he knew the team sucked but even something like a women coming to him saying Mr Snyder I been getting harassed by your VPs, coaches, etc.  Or My Snyder I think one of your executives took nude photos of me during a team photo shoot.  If that happened and he blew it off then yeah bury him.  So far we’ve heard nothing about it reaching him. 

Edited October 12, 2021 by RichmondRedskin88

[SoCalSkins]

1 hour ago, klwilkins1977 said:

I am sure there are clauses in the ownership papers that cover 'loss of confidence.'  It is a helluva stretch, but there have been many high-profile political and workplace accusations with the WFT in close succession.  Workplace issues are federal issues and the last thing the League will want is the feds sniffing through emails etc.  Imagine a sub-committee issuing a subpoena to investigate racial, misogynistic,  anti-gay, and sexual misconduct in the NFL.  It's a wrap and the owners will eat each other to prevent that level of scrutiny which will make it harder to control the flow of information that develops or the info the League has stored that will be self-incriminating.  This is not over.  Snyder is not safe.  If you think his sabbatical is self-imposed, I guarantee you're wrong.  I'd bet both of my ring fingers the League mandated he stay out of the limelight to allow the cheerleader/ workplace investigation to die out.  Snyder is safe if the Gruden thing dies a quick death... If not, especially with the topless cheerleader emails now in the lexicon,  Snyder is undercooked toast... and the heat is rising.

The investigation is over. This is Dan driving the knife into Bruce for trying to help Schar. That’s why as he is banned from ever having an ownership stake. The other owners are with Dan. They brought Davis back into the fold as well. He won’t be giving out 10 year coaching contracts in the future. It’s a club of billionaire jerks who are above any rules or scrutiny. The cash cow keeps growing. Nothing is ever happening to any of them unless they screw over the other owners directly. Snyder is not only completely safe, he’s in the best position he has been in years. That’s a unfortunate outcome but the reality of the situation. 

21 minutes ago, profusion said:

 

I wonder if he sends texts over a smartphone. Those are just as discoverable as emails.

iMessage is not and neither is what’s app and discovery is over dude. He was fined and it’s over. He won. Completely won. 
 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by SoCalSkins

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

The investigation is over. This is Dan driving the knife into Bruce for trying to help Schar. That’s why as he is banned from ever having an ownership stake. The other owners are with Dan. They brought Davis back into the fold as well. He won’t be giving out 10 year coaching contracts in the future. It’s a club of billionaire jerks who are above any rules or scrutiny. The cash cow keeps growing. Nothing is ever happening to any of them unless they screw over the other owners directly. Snyder is not only completely safe, he’s in the best position he has been in years. That’s a unfortunate outcome but the reality of the situation. 

I hate to say it, but this is probably the most realistic summary of what's taken place.

 

 

[RWJ]

Could it be it's a matter of time (don't know the years) that the NFL goes bankrupt?  Salaries can't continue to go up like they are and the NFL and the owners make enough money to pay the players etc..   Just a thought folks. 

[NickyJ]

3 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Could it be it's a matter of time (don't know the years) that the NFL goes bankrupt?  Salaries can't continue to go up like they are and the NFL and the owners make enough money to pay the players etc..   Just a thought folks. 

I don't think so. The NFL is king because it's on broadcast television. As long as there are viewers, the broadcasters will pay whatever the NFL wants.

[Ball Security]

13 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

The investigation is over. This is Dan driving the knife into Bruce for trying to help Schar. That’s why as he is banned from ever having an ownership stake. The other owners are with Dan. They brought Davis back into the fold as well. He won’t be giving out 10 year coaching contracts in the future. It’s a club of billionaire jerks who are above any rules or scrutiny. The cash cow keeps growing. Nothing is ever happening to any of them unless they screw over the other owners directly. Snyder is not only completely safe, he’s in the best position he has been in years. That’s a unfortunate outcome but the reality of the situation. 

iMessage is not and neither is what’s app and discovery is over dude. He was fined and it’s over. He won. Completely won. 
 

 

Do you think this is Dan’s camp leaking these emails and Gruden is collateral damage?

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, Ball Security said:

Do you think this is Dan’s camp leaking these emails and Gruden is collateral damage?

I don’t think the NFL and owners are happy with the 10 year deal. Horrible precedent. It’s a 2 for 1 more than collateral damage. I believe Bruce has a grievance open for not being paid. If the team did leak it, it ends that suit. So it’s very much to their advantage to do so.

[CapsSkins]

Ppl hoping Dan is forced to sell or otherwise harmed are unfortunately entirely delusional here.

 

The NFL is fundamentally a socialistic cartel of billionaire owners. Socialistic because they literally redistribute the revenue. Cartel because they control the membership and cooperate to restrict competition, set prices, etc. 

 

Dan is a made man, of whom there are only 31.5 (GB is weird). Roger Goodell and the League office exist solely to service the owners. Goodell is an enforcer who does the bidding of the owners and, at most, works to mediate disputes among owners or keep the peace. But he's an employee. Owners are basically untouchable because they're at the top of the totem pole. 

 

Jon Gruden was just an employee. If he had institutional support, maybe he could have survived. But he got knifed by someone who wanted him gone, probably Roger considering the contents of the emails. Roger can purge whomever he wants in terms of league employees, but he can't touch an owner. As soon as he comes for an owner, he's getting the boot and can kiss his $40M/year contract goodbye.

 

Dan won. The minority owners were bought out and the other majority owners facilitated Dan beating the coup, in exchange for concessions they wanted from him - aka the name change. The Gruden thing is both a parting shot and a warning shot. There's probably enough in those emails to knife half the league. Gruden was made an example of to send a message. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

I really have no idea why some of you all aren't Ravens fans that are local to the DC area. They're an analytically driven organization that is ran how a modern organization should be ran. Once the name change happens, that is your clean break to get out. This organization is not going anywhere with Dan and he's not going anywhere either. I like football but this team makes me strongly dislike the NFL. 

Edited October 12, 2021 by Burgundy Yoda

[SoCalSkins]

9 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I really have no idea why some of you all aren't Ravens fans that are local to the DC area. They're an analytically driven organization that is ran how a modern organization should be ran. Once the name change happens, that is your clean break to get out. This organization is not going anywhere with Dan and he's not going anywhere either. I like football but this team makes me strongly dislike the NFL. 

They need their drama fix. Plus the off season championships are great!

 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by SoCalSkins

[Conn]

27 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Could it be it's a matter of time (don't know the years) that the NFL goes bankrupt?  Salaries can't continue to go up like they are and the NFL and the owners make enough money to pay the players etc..   Just a thought folks. 

Player salaries are a drop in the bucket of what the owners make and the wealth they hold. This is nowhere near being a possibility. Most players make very very little in comparison. The Mahomes type contracts aren’t even that ridiculous for the value they bring in, and they are also a drop in the bucket long term. Human beings have a really hard time comprehending large numbers, so I get it. But this isn’t a realistic outcome probably ever. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

They need their drama fix. Plus the off season championships are great!

 

 

I feel like time is the biggest issue. People invested so much of their time into this pitiful organization and they don't realize it needs to be treated as a sunk cost.

[Cooleyfan1993]

19 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I really have no idea why some of you all aren't Ravens fans that are local to the DC area. They're an analytically driven organization that is ran how a modern organization should be ran. Once the name change happens, that is your clean break to get out. This organization is not going anywhere with Dan and he's not going anywhere either. I like football but this team makes me strongly dislike the NFL. 

I can’t speak for everyone else, but personally, I’m still a fan because it’s going to make the super bowl parade (whenever it happens, and no I’m not stupid, I’m well aware it’ll be a longggggg time.....) will just be that much sweeter if i stick this one out. No lie, if/when that redwolves super bowl parade comes, I’m buying handles of Jack Daniels and partying in the streets of DC with whoever’s left 😂 lord knows we’ll all deserve it......

Edited October 12, 2021 by Cooleyfan1993

[Riggo-toni]

I am a year older than Dannyboy, so no chance I live long enough to see this team in another SB, unless he gets hit by a bus or something...

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I feel like time is the biggest issue. People invested so much of their time into this pitiful organization and they don't realize it needs to be treated as a sunk cost.

You are framing it in terms of rational investment of time. The real comparison is a life long heroin addict. They aren’t getting clean. The addiction might kill them eventually but it’s a permanent dependency for nearly all. Especially the ones who still frequent a message board of the team.
 

Best you can hope for is such an egregious dramatic event created by the team that it kills you quickly because of the years of drinking and stress eating that the team caused you to do and it finally puts you out of your misery. That’s the best case scenario. All the others are incrementally worse. 

[Wildbunny]

19 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

The NFL is fundamentally a socialistic cartel of billionaire owners. Socialistic because they literally redistribute the revenue. Cartel because they control the membership and cooperate to restrict competition, set prices, etc. 

Yes they are.

 

But I really doubt they're all mysoginistics in this pool and all like the way Dan runs his business. If we can call this "running a business", because he's mostly driving it down, they are well aware of that.

 

I mean, there's some women in this club, really, and not all of them might be OK with sexual harassment.

The more people there is in a room, the harder it is to keep a secret.

 

I'm not saying i will backlask on Dan, as @SoCalSkins is probably right about the situation right now. But I wouldn't be adamant on this club of billionaires prefering to have Dan working with them than someone like Jeff Bezos within them. That may be wishful dreaming here, but you just can't put that thought aside, the links last year about him wanting to come into the NF are real, and this club of billionnaire will do whatever it can/takes to have him within them.

 

And if they have to feed Dan to the pigs, a most despised owner within this club, they won't blink when signing his death sentence. They aren't gonna be emotional or unprepared about it.

[Renegade7]

28 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I really have no idea why some of you all aren't Ravens fans that are local to the DC area. They're an analytically driven organization that is ran how a modern organization should be ran. Once the name change happens, that is your clean break to get out. This organization is not going anywhere with Dan and he's not going anywhere either. I like football but this team makes me strongly dislike the NFL. 

 

I'm not from the Baltimore area, im from the DC area.  That's still hometown team for me, and if Browns fans can gut it out, so can i.

[CapsSkins]

2 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

Yes they are.

 

But I really doubt they're all mysoginistics in this pool and all like the way Dan runs his business. If we can call this "running a business", because he's mostly driving it down, they are well aware of that.

 

I mean, there's some women in this club, really, and not all of them might be OK with sexual harassment.

The more people there is in a room, the harder it is to keep a secret.

 

I'm not saying i will backlask on Dan, as @SoCalSkins is probably right about the situation right now. But I wouldn't be adamant on this club of billionaires prefering to have Dan working with them than someone like Jeff Bezos within them. That may be wishful dreaming here, but you just can't put that thought aside, the links last year about him wanting to come into the NF are real, and this club of billionnaire will do whatever it can/takes to have him within them.

 

And if they have to feed Dan to the pigs, a most despised owner within this club, they won't blink when signing his death sentence. They aren't gonna be emotional or unprepared about it.

 

I am 1000% sure most if not all the owners would prefer Bezos to Snyder. But you can bet your bottom dollar they won't throw one of their own to the wolves so easily, because it sets a precedent and they could be next. That's why they have the "stick together" pack mentality. It's the golden goose and though they may hate how Snyder is destroying value and causing embarrassment, he's still a Made Man.  

[redskinss]

12 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said:

I am a year older than Dannyboy, so no chance I live long enough to see this team in another SB, unless he gets hit by a bus or something...

I have a c.d.l but I'm not sure I can get my hands on a bus.

Will a crane do?

[Burgundy Yoda]

14 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

I can’t speak for everyone else, but personally, I’m still a fan because it’s going to make the super bowl parade (whenever it happens, and no I’m not stupid, I’m well aware it’ll be a longggggg time.....) will just be that much sweeter if i stick this one out. No lie, if/when that redwolves super bowl parade comes, I’m buying handles of Jack Daniels and partying in the streets of DC with whoever’s left 😂 lord knows we’ll all deserve it......

Yeah I'd probably jump back on the bandwagon at that point and enjoy it, especially after they've had zero superbowls in my lifetime that I remember. 

[Wildbunny]

4 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

I am 1000% sure most if not all the owners would prefer Bezos to Snyder. But you can bet your bottom dollar they won't throw one of their own to the wolves so easily, because it sets a precedent and they could be next. That's why they have the "stick together" pack mentality. It's the golden goose and though they may hate how Snyder is destroying value and causing embarrassment, he's still a Made Man.  

I'm pretty sure they don't have that kind of "high standards" or "fighting for your buddy" kind of mentality.

 

You're not reaching that kind of level being nice and fair. Those are old sharks, but sharks nonetheless.

[Boss_Hogg]

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Edited October 12, 2021 by Boss_Hogg

[CapsSkins]

3 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

I'm pretty sure they don't have that kind of "high standards" or "fighting for your buddy" kind of mentality.

 

You're not reaching that kind of level being nice and fair. Those are old sharks, but sharks nonetheless.

 

It's not about fighting for your buddy. It's about avoiding a precedent that could one day be used against you yourself. It's self-preservation. Why do you think they redistribute the revenue and make sure even small market teams are profitable? It ain't goodness of their hearts.

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by CapsSkins