The Official ES 2020 Free Agency Thread /Tracker... Kendall Fuller,OG Schweitzer, KP Louis, Thomas Davis, McKissic, TE Logan Thomas, OT Lucas, QB Kyle Allen (trd 5th Rd pick), RB P. Barber, LB Davis, Ronald Darby

[Long Time Fan]

3 hours ago, JSSkinz said:

 

Disappointing to hear.  My hope was that a reduced role as a situational pass rusher would extend Kerrigan's career and that he would continue to play well for a few more years.  I wonder if the decision not to extend him is playing a role in this.  This is a contract year for him, we haven't extended him and he doesn't want the value of his next contract to take too much of a hit because of his usage.  

[wit33]

1 hour ago, PartyPosse said:

Kerrigan earned the right to get playing time on a contender. If this is true and we don’t honor his request it’s just another in a long line of disrespectful player decisions and proof it wasn’t just Bruce that did wrong. Also, if all this is true it’s the kind of thing that may make other players either on our team or free agents hesitate about coming or staying here long term.

My guess if he was a starter here he’d not care about contending. Disrespectful to not trade him is a stretch, IMO. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

He's played on mostly terrible teams for his entire career, he's never complained about anything.  It sounds like they won't trade him, but that's unfortunate.  It's the least they could do.

 

 

[PartyPosse]

23 minutes ago, wit33 said:

My guess if he was a starter here he’d not care about contending. Disrespectful to not trade him is a stretch, IMO. 

I think both matters. If he was starting then yes he’d probably feel like a little more a part of things. But playing as sparsely as he has he’s gotta he thinking “if they aren’t using me then just let me go somewhere that I can help win”. Keeping him if he’s unhappy doesn’t do anything other than create dissension in the locker room.

[JSSkinz]

3 hours ago, Long Time Fan said:

I wonder if the decision not to extend him is playing a role in this.  This is a contract year for him, we haven't extended him and he doesn't want the value of his next contract to take too much of a hit because of his usage.  

Kerrigan knew what his role was going was going into the season and he still said he wanted to be here. I guess it's possible the team told him they will consider extending him based on how he plays and maybe recently they have told him they are going a different way after the season but even in that scenario RK had to know his future here was up in the air.

 

Nobody has said the WFT wont trade him, and nobody has said RK is unhappy, the only thing I've seen reported is that nobody is inquiring about him.

[kingdaddy]

2 hours ago, Jericho said:

 

The other 52 players can still "win now". It's not like Kerrigan alone is going to add 2-3 wins over the next 9 games. So it's not really preventing the team from winning. Besides, trading Kerrigan isn't a "tanking" move if he asks for it. Kerrigan clearly wants to play and he's not getting the snaps here to do that. That won't change next year unless Young/Sweat get hurt.

Bottom line, if no one is gonna give you much for RK then you keep him. If he wants to leave he can leave on his own terms after the season. I'm not opposed to your point, but I see the teams point too. I can't imagine the offers are very good for an aging pass rusher who's a free agent next year and makes good jing this year too. 

[Malapropismic Depository]

There's no guarantee RK wants to be traded.

JP gives 2 sources - both from Adam Scheffter - and both Scheffter quotes give the opposite report.

One says he wants to be traded, and one says he absolutely does not want to be traded.

Again, both from Scheffter.

 

IF Kerrigan really wants a trade, he could make it happen.

If you're loud enough, you can get Rivera to unwillingly trade you (see Dunbar and T. Williams)

But Kerrigan probably won't get that loud. And he may not actually be requesting a trade, based on previous paragraph.

[HigSkin]

 

Conflicting stories....

And FWIW because it is JLC.....

 

 

[dyst]

We should throw a curveball and trade Kyle Allen to the Cowboys for their 2nd round pick (I won’t be greedy).

[Malapropismic Depository]

Travis Fulgham started out on Philly's PS this year, and didn't even get promoted to the roster until October 3rd.

Yet In that brief one-month period, he has become their leading receiver, with 23 catches for 357 yards, a 15.5 average, a long of 42 yards, 3 TD's, and 18 First Downs.

We could have done well by claiming him off their PS. Philly took one of ours, Richard Rodgers, who also has been productive for them.

Hard to believe WFT thought Jeff Badet and Tony Brown were better options at the time.

Adding more irony to the story, is the fact that he is originally from Ashburn, VA

We need to look beyond the street, because there is talent to be had on other teams' PS's, that would be immediate upgrades in our WR room.

[method man]

Looking like Anderson is the player most likely to be shipped out. At the very least, I don’t know why Cincy wouldn’t go for an Anderson for Ross swap

[justice98]

8 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

Travis Fulgham started out on Philly's PS this year, and didn't even get promoted to the roster until October 3rd.

Yet In that brief one-month period, he has become their leading receiver, with 23 catches for 357 yards, a 15.5 average, a long of 42 yards, 3 TD's, and 18 First Downs.

We could have done well by claiming him off their PS. Philly took one of ours, Richard Rodgers, who also has been productive for them.

Hard to believe WFT thought Jeff Badet and Tony Brown were better options at the time.

Adding more irony to the story, is the fact that he is originally from Ashburn, VA

We need to look beyond the street, because there is talent to be had on other teams' PS's, that would be immediate upgrades in our WR room.

 

In general, scouring practice squads is probably a good idea,, but I'm not gonna fault them for not grabbing Fulgham specifically.  That's just how it goes sometimes.  Nobody saw this coming what he's doing right now.

 

But they signed Badet and Brown to their PS, so in order to get Fulgham, they would have had to put him on the active roster.  Grabbing him and stashing him wasnt an option once they passed originally after he got cut by GB.  I guess the argument is they should have known how good he could be and grabbed him before Philly did. I suppose.

 

But Philly didn't even promote him until they had no healthy bodies to fill a WR depth chart.  It just kinda just worked out for them.  Otherwise, he'd still be bouncing around the league probably.

 

 

[IrepDC]

I may be one of the few people who want us to pay guys like Scherff and Kerrigan(if wanting an extension is the issue) to stay. I see people talk about Scherff having injury issues, but that's football. Plus half the FAs and players we are considering trading for have had injury issues as well. So why are we willing to pay other teams' players with an injury history, but not ours? I think we still suffer from a grass is greener mindset and still don't understand the value of depth. If we let a bunch of our mid tier guys walk this offseason only to pay other teams' mid tier guys as replacements, I will be disappointed. 

 

I generally value our depth players more i.e. disagreeing with letting recent guys like Preston Smith, Kendall Fuller(trade the first time), and even Breeland go. We end up creating more holes by assuming our guys are so worthless and the perfect replacement will fall out the sky in FA. We have to do better with retaining mid-tier and depth talent. I will not be surprised to see us spend up all our cap space on other teams' players though. I don't think our tradition of under valuing our own is lost own players on the team either. We have to have that reputation by now.

[Malapropismic Depository]

2 hours ago, justice98 said:

 

But they signed Badet and Brown to their PS, so in order to get Fulgham, they would have had to put him on the active roster.

 

 

 

Actually both Brown and Badet ended up on our 53 man roster

 

2 hours ago, justice98 said:

 

I guess the argument is they should have known how good he could be and grabbed him before Philly did. I suppose.

 

 

 

Yes exactly. because that's the whole reason they get paid a lot of money to do just that, and you and I do not.

[PartyPosse]

Desmond King traded to Titans. I always liked him and would have been one of the few players I would have been interested in trading for depending on compensation obviously).

[FrFan]

He probably screwed up it was Ryan Anderson not Kerrigan

[method man]

1 hour ago, IrepDC said:

I may be one of the few people who want us to pay guys like Scherff and Kerrigan(if wanting an extension is the issue) to stay. I see people talk about Scherff having injury issues, but that's football. Plus half the FAs and players we are considering trading for have had injury issues as well. So why are we willing to pay other teams' players with an injury history, but not ours? I think we still suffer from a grass is greener mindset and still don't understand the value of depth. If we let a bunch of our mid tier guys walk this offseason only to pay other teams' mid tier guys as replacements, I will be disappointed. 

 

I generally value our depth players more i.e. disagreeing with letting recent guys like Preston Smith, Kendall Fuller(trade the first time), and even Breeland go. We end up creating more holes by assuming our guys are so worthless and the perfect replacement will fall out the sky in FA. We have to do better with retaining mid-tier and depth talent. I will not be surprised to see us spend up all our cap space on other teams' players though. I don't think our tradition of under valuing our own is lost own players on the team either. We have to have that reputation by now.

 

Agreed that the team needs to stop letting every good draft pick leave in free agency or trade.

 

Resigning Scherff to a $15m a year deal and Kerrigan to a $5M-$8M a year deal are not the answers. Besides the fact that this team is already paying one guy playing a non premium position $15M+ (Collins), the injury history is a real thing. This guy gets hurt every season and misses multiple games just like Reed and Trent Williams did. Why pay someone premium money to play 50% to 70% of the season for you? That would be Bruce Allen like. On Kerrigan, the guy does not have a second gear anymore. The money that we would pay him could be used to bring in a starter at another position of need like linebacker or safety. I'd rather see what Orchard/JSW have, draft someone in day 3 or sign a Pernell McPhee type for way cheaper.

[OVCChairman]

3 minutes ago, method man said:

 

Agreed that the team needs to stop letting every good draft pick leave in free agency or trade.

 

Resigning Scherff to a $15m a year deal and Kerrigan to a $5M-$8M a year deal are not the answers. Besides the fact that this team is already paying one guy playing a non premium position $15M+ (Collins), the injury history is a real thing. This guy gets hurt every season and misses multiple games just like Reed and Trent Williams did. Why pay someone premium money to play 50% to 70% of the season for you? That would be Bruce Allen like. On Kerrigan, the guy does not have a second gear anymore. The money that we would pay him could be used to bring in a starter at another position of need like linebacker or safety. I'd rather see what Orchard/JSW have, draft someone in day 3 or sign a Pernell McPhee type for way cheaper.

 

 

I liked your thread about the big contract for Scherff, 

 

But i disagree about Kerrigan.  The role he's in now can be very effective as strictly pass rushing based on situation.  I think it can extend his career but keep him effective to a point.  I don't want to pay him starting DE money to keep him here (as you pointed out $5-$8m per year) but i would love to pay him for what he is.  A 31 year old DE that's a pass rushing specialist.  $4m per year cap hit with a low front end salary but a signing bonus to balance it out is not the worst thing in the world if you can get 4 more years out of him. 

[Koolblue13]

I'd hate to see RK biting on fakes and over running boots in a different uniform and then getting lump sacks in meaningless games for them.

[PartyPosse]

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

I'd hate to see RK biting on fakes and over running boots in a different uniform and then getting lump sacks in meaningless games for them.

You don’t wanna see his flex pose after taking down a backup QB with 4 minutes to go in a 37-3 game??

[Koolblue13]

Just now, PartyPosse said:

You don’t wanna see his flex pose after taking down a backup QB with 4 minutes to go in a 37-3 game??

Because bragging about being an adult who watches professional wrestling isn't embarrassing enough. 

[method man]

1 minute ago, OVCChairman said:

 

 

I liked your thread about the big contract for Scherff, 

 

But i disagree about Kerrigan.  The role he's in now can be very effective as strictly pass rushing based on situation.  I think it can extend his career but keep him effective to a point.  I don't want to pay him starting DE money to keep him here (as you pointed out $5-$8m per year) but i would love to pay him for what he is.  A 31 year old DE that's a pass rushing specialist.  $4m per year cap hit with a low front end salary but a signing bonus to balance it out is not the worst thing in the world if you can get 4 more years out of him. 

 

He's definitely getting more than $4M a year on the open market. Some team will see him as their second DE OLB

[Malapropismic Depository]

We signed DB Jordan Brown to PS

[OVCChairman]

1 minute ago, method man said:

 

He's definitely getting more than $4M a year on the open market. Some team will see him as their second DE OLB

 

Most likely... but I think there is something to the rumors that he's been adamant that he wants to stay here.  The recent news is kind of all over the place regarding that, but it's kind of all over the place.  I don't think he decides to leave here, to go to another team for $2m - $3m in base salary on a shorter term.  If you roll a decent signing bonus into a back loaded contract (simply because of the Covid effect on the cap) you can make that up very easy.  A 4 year deal with $10m in signing bonus spread across those 4 years could give you the flexibility of a $3m+ first 2 seasons, and still be competitive enough in the market that he ultimately understands it's worthwhile to stay.  

 

New Orleans is $97 mill OVER the cap

Philly is $64 mil OVER

 

1	New Orleans Saints	46	27.78	$276,230,201	$234,005	$276,464,206	$-97,288,588	$276,464,206	$-97,288,588
2	Philadelphia Eagles	41	26.71	$260,273,935	$538,858	$260,812,793	$-63,939,980	$260,812,793	$-63,939,980
3	Atlanta Falcons	32	26.66	$195,601,358	$7,657,002	$203,258,360	$-25,617,435	$203,258,360	$-25,617,435
4	Pittsburgh Steelers	34	26.85	$202,628,640	$175,462	$202,804,102	$-21,747,771	$202,804,102	$-21,747,771
5	Los Angeles Rams	42	25.76	$192,440,448	$8,592,097	$201,032,545	$-18,198,810	$201,032,545	$-18,198,810
6	Kansas City Chiefs	34	26.41	$195,313,505	$693,525	$196,007,030	$-16,256,639	$196,007,030	$-16,256,639
7	Houston Texans	38	26.84	$194,465,143	$360,773	$194,825,916	$-11,417,474	$194,825,916	$-11,417,474
8	Minnesota Vikings	41	26	$184,185,586	$481,690	$184,667,276	$-6,907,897	$184,667,276	$-6,907,897
9	Las Vegas Raiders	39	26.18	$186,698,821	$1,220,768	$187,919,589	$-6,293,608	$187,919,589	$-6,293,608

 

 

A lot of the 'competors' that he may want to go to, may not be able to afford him at starting money either.  Baltimore has money but they just got Ngokoue via trade so it's likely they want to invest in him and bring him back.  

[Est.1974]

51 minutes ago, method man said:

 

He's definitely getting more than $4M a year on the open market. Some team will see him as their second DE OLB

Agree. I’ve pushed to trade him if we aren’t extending him, however if we were keen to offer him a deal I’d expect he’d be looking at 2 year 15mil range deal minimum.