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[PartyPosse]

If guys like Williamson and King are getting 5th and 6th rounders, there’s no chance we get anything more than a 5th for either Ryan.

[Est.1974]

45 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

If guys like Williamson and King are getting 5th and 6th rounders, there’s no chance we get anything more than a 5th for either Ryan.

that also reflects in the buyers market...

 

I would like us to consider Norwell from the Jags as well as targeting either a TE or WR,  day three picks, or find a way to move Kerrigan/Anderson and well maybe Haskins, God knows what happens with him though. 
 

Basically gets us 2 starters and ships out back-ups.

[PartyPosse]

11 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

that also reflects in the buyers market...

 

I would like us to consider Norwell from the Jags as well as targeting either a TE or WR,  day three picks, or find a way to move Kerrigan/Anderson and well maybe Haskins, God knows what happens with him though. 
 

Basically gets us 2 starters and ships out back-ups.

I'm not expecting more than maybe Ryan Anderson being traded. I don't think it's a seller's market at this point. 

[Est.1974]

6 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I'm not expecting more than maybe Ryan Anderson being traded. I don't think it's a seller's market at this point. 

Well that kind off offsets, buy cheap, sell cheap, it becomes a wash. Swap surplus players for ones that would actually start. That what our FO should be doing.

 

If we could get Norwell to start at LG for the next 3 seasons at the expense of Kerrigan who likely won’t be here in 6 months, I think I’d pull the trigger.

[Number 44]

9 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I'm not expecting more than maybe Ryan Anderson being traded. I don't think it's a seller's market at this point. 

I just posted in the Around the NFL trade deadline thread that it seems like Tennessee should be in the market for a pass rusher after seeing their DL fail to pressure Burrow in the fourth quarter yesterday, costing them a loss to the Bengals.  Gotta think Kerrigan and/or Anderson would be of interest to them.

[Malapropismic Depository]

2 minutes ago, Number 44 said:

I just posted in the Around the NFL trade deadline thread that it seems like Tennessee should be in the market for a pass rusher after seeing their DL fail to pressure Burrow in the fourth quarter yesterday, costing them a loss to the Bengals.  Gotta think Kerrigan and/or Anderson would be of interest to them.

 

They just traded for CB Desmond King, so maybe that's their way of addressing the defensive issue

[bentskin]

51 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Well that kind off offsets, buy cheap, sell cheap, it becomes a wash. Swap surplus players for ones that would actually start. That what our FO should be doing.

 

If we could get Norwell to start at LG for the next 3 seasons at the expense of Kerrigan who likely won’t be here in 6 months, I think I’d pull the trigger.

 

I would propose player for player trades as well with draft picks being held so valuable these days. And Norwell at 29 doesnt seam like the type of player age wise that RR is gong for. He's not old but he is on the back half at this point.

What about...

Kerrigan for Seattle TE J. Hollister. See if you can get a 4th or 5th or whatever but straight up is fine. Evaluate this guy for the rest of the year. Drop Sprinkle.

                                                            Next year you could have Hollister, Thomas and Moss at TE.

Haskins for Pittsburgh CB J. Layne straight up. Neither one is doing anything for their current team and both could use a change of scenery and the rest of this year to begin learning the new system. He is young 6'2 with decent speed and former 3rd rounder 2019.

https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-top-2019-nfl-draft-prospects-michigan-state-cb-justin-layne-235204144.html 

 

HTTR

[PartyPosse]

12 minutes ago, bentskin said:

 

I would propose player for player trades as well with draft picks being held so valuable these days. And Norwell at 29 doesnt seam like the type of player age wise that RR is gong for. He's not old but he is on the back half at this point.

What about...

Kerrigan for Seattle TE J. Hollister. See if you can get a 4th or 5th or whatever but straight up is fine. Evaluate this guy for the rest of the year. Drop Sprinkle.

                                                            Next year you could have Hollister, Thomas and Moss at TE.

Haskins for Pittsburgh CB J. Layne straight up. Neither one is doing anything for their current team and both could use a change of scenery and the rest of this year to begin learning the new system. He is young 6'2 with decent speed and former 3rd rounder 2019.

https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-top-2019-nfl-draft-prospects-michigan-state-cb-justin-layne-235204144.html 

 

HTTR

I had such high hopes for Layne when he was drafted. I'm surprised he didn't blossom.

[DWinzit]

1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Well that kind off offsets, buy cheap, sell cheap, it becomes a wash. Swap surplus players for ones that would actually start. That what our FO should be doing.

 

If we could get Norwell to start at LG for the next 3 seasons at the expense of Kerrigan who likely won’t be here in 6 months, I think I’d pull the trigger.

It would certainly be another missed opportunity if they sit on their hands. 

A player for player swap like you suggest maybe in the teams better interest than a 5 or 6 rounder

[PartyPosse]

1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Well that kind off offsets, buy cheap, sell cheap, it becomes a wash. Swap surplus players for ones that would actually start. That what our FO should be doing.

 

If we could get Norwell to start at LG for the next 3 seasons at the expense of Kerrigan who likely won’t be here in 6 months, I think I’d pull the trigger.

Norwell is really expensive. His cap hit in 21 and 22 is 15 and 16 million.

[Est.1974]

2 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Norwell is really expensive. His cap hit in 21 and 22 is 15 and 16 million.

3mil per year gets left behind as dead cap for the Jags at its prorated signing bonus.

 

His salaries are 12 and 13 mil I think, plus he did drop his salary this year down to 9mil in a restructure, they converted salary to incentives. I’m sure there would be scope to drop his terms a bit.

 

And Rivera raves about him, or should I say did in CAR anyway. 
 

But it’ll never happen so none of that matters...

[PartyPosse]

2 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

3mil per year gets left behind as dead cap for the Jags at its prorated signing bonus.

 

His salaries are 12 and 13 mil I think, plus he did drop his salary this year down to 9mil in a restructure, they converted salary to incentives. I’m sure there would be scope to drop his terms a bit.

 

And Rivera raves about him, or should I say did in CAR anyway. 
 

But it’ll never happen so none of that matters...

I'd rather just try and lure a Forrest Lamp or Elflein or Dan Freeney here and keep churning out Ereck Flowers reclamation projects. 

[Est.1974]

5 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I'd rather just try and lure a Forrest Lamp or Elflein or Dan Freeney here and keep churning out Ereck Flowers reclamation projects. 

Forrest Lamp, was reading an article that noted him yesterday. I could live with us taking a chance on him.

[IrepDC]

8 hours ago, method man said:

 

Agreed that the team needs to stop letting every good draft pick leave in free agency or trade.

 

Resigning Scherff to a $15m a year deal and Kerrigan to a $5M-$8M a year deal are not the answers. Besides the fact that this team is already paying one guy playing a non premium position $15M+ (Collins), the injury history is a real thing. This guy gets hurt every season and misses multiple games just like Reed and Trent Williams did. Why pay someone premium money to play 50% to 70% of the season for you? That would be Bruce Allen like. On Kerrigan, the guy does not have a second gear anymore. The money that we would pay him could be used to bring in a starter at another position of need like linebacker or safety. I'd rather see what Orchard/JSW have, draft someone in day 3 or sign a Pernell McPhee type for way cheaper.

Trent Williams is tossing around defenders for SF this season and his injury history was always over exaggerated by our fans. I figure we would even under appreciate JJ Watt because of his injuries and let him walk too?? Why leave dead cap space and field lesser talent? Collins' contract has nothing to do with this discussion since we will have plenty of cap space. I am not saying to over pay anyone, but give them their market value. Match any offers. We have the money to do it. We don't have the depth to keep letting players walk over penny pinching. Swapping mid tier talent does not make us stronger.  Retaining mid tier players and building depth makes you stronger.

 

Kerrigan doesn't need a second gear to produce as he has been making noise this year. You can still draft someone(late pick BPA situation) and keep him. I think of Green Bay signing both Smith's and then drafting Gary round 1. That also plays into the inevitable injuries that come up. Smart built teams can have the next man up mentality. We rarely retain depth and generally have massive fall off when guys go down- which also contributes to us being less understanding of inevitable injuries. 

 

I am not sure why you feel we need to let those guys walk to sign a mid level LB, but my understanding is that we are not hurting for cap space. The current mindset leaves us in purgatory of mediocrity, in my opinion. Our depth sucks. 

[method man]

1 hour ago, IrepDC said:

Trent Williams is tossing around defenders for SF this season and his injury history was always over exaggerated by our fans. I figure we would even under appreciate JJ Watt because of his injuries and let him walk too?? Why leave dead cap space and field lesser talent? Collins' contract has nothing to do with this discussion since we will have plenty of cap space. I am not saying to over pay anyone, but give them their market value. Match any offers. We have the money to do it. We don't have the depth to keep letting players walk over penny pinching. Swapping mid tier talent does not make us stronger.  Retaining mid tier players and building depth makes you stronger.

 

Kerrigan doesn't need a second gear to produce as he has been making noise this year. You can still draft someone(late pick BPA situation) and keep him. I think of Green Bay signing both Smith's and then drafting Gary round 1. That also plays into the inevitable injuries that come up. Smart built teams can have the next man up mentality. We rarely retain depth and generally have massive fall off when guys go down- which also contributes to us being less understanding of inevitable injuries. 

 

I am not sure why you feel we need to let those guys walk to sign a mid level LB, but my understanding is that we are not hurting for cap space. The current mindset leaves us in purgatory of mediocrity, in my opinion. Our depth sucks. 

 

We will have plenty of cap space this offseason but that will disappear very quickly with all the young guys who will need extensions (starting with guys like J. Allen, Settle, Terry, etc). We could easily end up in cap hell like in 2011/2012 if we blow a ton of money on FAs this offseason. I don't want to be in a position where we let some of these guys go just because we blew our cap space on an old backup DE. If you really feel that depth is lacking, go use a 3rd or 4th on a pass rush specialist. 

 

 

[IrepDC]

14 minutes ago, method man said:

 

We will have plenty of cap space this offseason but that will disappear very quickly with all the young guys who will need extensions (starting with guys like J. Allen, Settle, Terry, etc). We could easily end up in cap hell like in 2011/2012 if we blow a ton of money on FAs this offseason. I don't want to be in a position where we let some of these guys go just because we blew our cap space on an old backup DE. If you really feel that depth is lacking, go use a 3rd or 4th on a pass rush specialist. 

 

 

The nuance in this is that I actually agree with you about not eating ALL our cap up and saving for the young guys. Believe it or not, it's possible to do what I'm saying while still saving cap room for those guys. That's why I noted to give guys "market value" and not to over pay. Kerrigan's deal would be like 2 years so he would be off the cap by the time you're resigning guys like Sweat, McLaurin, etc.

[TradeTheBeal!]

I wanna offer 2 #1s, 2 #3s and players to the Texans for Watson and Tunsil...right now.

 

Fight me.

[NickyJ]

35 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

I wanna offer 2 #1s, 2 #3s and players to the Texans for Watson and Tunsil...right now.

 

Fight me.

[justice98]

20 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

 

Actually both Brown and Badet ended up on our 53 man roster

 

But to actually get them on the roster, they went to the PS first.  That wasn't an option for Fulgham.  If we were going to pluck him from the Eagles PS, he had to go on he active immediately.   It's not about where they end up, it's how you acquire them in the first place.  

 

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Yes exactly. because that's the whole reason they get paid a lot of money to do just that, and you and I do not.

 

Philly didn't even know.  Dude was on his 3rd team in a year and a half, nobody predicted greatness.  lol  It seems very "hindsightical" to now think this shoulda all been foreseen.

[Riggo#44]

On 11/1/2020 at 4:58 PM, HigSkin said:

And FWIW because it is JLC.....

 

 

 

Man if we just kept our mouths shut, maybe teams, you know, wouldn't actually watch any tape of Haskins, or do any due diligence, and just take our word for it.

 

What a dumbass.

[mhd24]

3 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Man if we just kept our mouths shut, maybe teams, you know, wouldn't actually watch any tape of Haskins, or do any due diligence, and just take our word for it.

 

What a dumbass.

 

 

Yeah, like you don't think Jay, KOC, and Callahan have friends in the league?  They are well connected.  If someone asked their honest opinion of Haskins, they would have been blunt about him.

[Riggo#44]

17 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

 

Yeah, like you don't think Jay, KOC, and Callahan have friends in the league?  They are well connected.  If someone asked their honest opinion of Haskins, they would have been blunt about him.

 

Not to mention he was the worst quarterback in the league. Teams scout. Teams watch tape. We did nothing to tank his value.

[justice98]

32 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Not to mention he was the worst quarterback in the league. Teams scout. Teams watch tape. We did nothing to tank his value.

 

I wouldn't go that far.  Some of that stuff doesn't tell you what he's like behind the scenes.  The tape isn't gonna show you what his attitude and work ethic is. 

 

Teams talk themselves into coaching up a player all the time.  But if it comes out they're not coachable, that's even more of an issue making them more undesirable.

 

 

[Riggo#44]

4 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I wouldn't go that far.  Some of that stuff doesn't tell you what he's like behind the scenes.  The tape isn't gonna show you what his attitude and work ethic is.  

 

 

 

Everybody knows, whether we say anything or not.

[mhd24]

38 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Not to mention he was the worst quarterback in the league. Teams scout. Teams watch tape. We did nothing to tank his value.

Yup.  I mean, KOC is connected to the Rams (and their coaching tree) and the Pats (and by corollary their coaching tree).  Ditto Jay with the Raiders, Vikings (Zimmer is tight with him).  Ditto with Callahan (Dallas, etc).  His work ethic issues were bound to get out.