mhd24 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I am not a Haskins guy as for believing he's a franchise QB. But I am also not in the camp that he's another John Beck. To me he's Ramsey/Campbell caliber type. He can hopefully win today if he's on his game. Hopefully he plays mad considering all of today's reports. At least Ramsey and JC won some games in this league. At least they had character. I’d be MUCH more confident with either Ramsey or JC out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I don't buy anything JLC says -- he isn't as tapped in as he used to be. If DH plays well and keeps his head down/grows up, I could see Ron keeping him around simply for the fact that he is on a rookie deal and is okay to have in the mix until you find the guy. I mean yeah, he's probably good as gone, but you never know. DH is a weird case. I think he's just really young. He's not a clinical narcissist like RG3, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Well, this went from a game I was excited about, to a game that is potentially going to end our season. Playing well for Haskins isn't even playing well, its just not playing bad...which he also can't do. I will not be enjoying this game today, not enough weed and leftover ham in the world to make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: If he loses this game, should we cut him Sunday night ? We would get hit with $11.5M in dead cap if we cut him now and $8.5M in dead cap if we cut him next year, its not easy to cut 1st rd draft picks who are in their rookie contracts. We have to trade him in the offseason even if it's for nothing but cap relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JSSkinz said: We would get hit with $11.5M in dead cap if we cut him now and $8.5M in dead cap if we cut him next year, its not easy to cut 1st rd draft picks who are in their rookie contracts. We have to trade him in the offseason even if it's for nothing but cap relief. Not true. He has played 16/17 of this year. The cap hit cutting him now versus new league year is negligible. Trading him saves us $4.4 million off that $8.5M. That’s his combined salary for 2021 and 2022 the new team would take on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Damn this thread just got depressing. This doesn't change anything for me, except going from optimistic, to "cautiously" optimistic. Not a Haskins fan at all, but he has a lot of incentive to play well today. If not for his teammates, he'll do it for himself as he's auditioning for his next team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Not true. He has played 16/17 of this year. The cap hit cutting him now versus new league year is negligible. Trading him saves us $4.4 million off that $8.5M. That’s his combined salary for 2021 and 2022 the new team would take on. So the dead cap is prorated? Doesn't matter anyway, he's not getting cut this year and if we cut him next year we will incur the $8.5M in dead cap. I get the implication if we trade him which is why I say we need to trade him, he only has about $4.2M left in bonus money, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: Damn this thread just got depressing. This doesn't change anything for me, except going from optimistic, to "cautiously" optimistic. Not a Haskins fan at all, but he has a lot of incentive to play well today. If not for his teammates, he'll do it for himself as he's auditioning for his next team... I know that, you know that, but I don't think Haskins is smart enough to realize that himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinbuck Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: Damn this thread just got depressing. This doesn't change anything for me, except going from optimistic, to "cautiously" optimistic. Not a Haskins fan at all, but he has a lot of incentive to play well today. If not for his teammates, he'll do it for himself as he's auditioning for his next team... This assumes he’s capable of critical thinking and sound decision-making in the face of emotional distress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Win this game Dwayne, and I will get you all the ugly strippers you want. I know plenty of ugly strippers too. Ever hear of the Venus Club in Martinsburg, WV? Nothing but ugly ass strippers. I have my own table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Win this game Dwayne, and I will get you all the ugly strippers you want. I know plenty of ugly strippers too. Ever hear of the Venus Club in Martinsburg, WV? Nothing but ugly ass strippers. I have my own table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: We would get hit with $11.5M in dead cap if we cut him now and $8.5M in dead cap if we cut him next year, its not easy to cut 1st rd draft picks who are in their rookie contracts. We have to trade him in the offseason even if it's for nothing but cap relief. 19 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Not true. He has played 16/17 of this year. The cap hit cutting him now versus new league year is negligible. Trading him saves us $4.4 million off that $8.5M. That’s his combined salary for 2021 and 2022 the new team would take on. I changed my mind. If Haskins loses this game, no matter how badly, there's no way I'd cut him tonight or this week. Because then Philly becomes a must-win game, and surely they'd sign him before that game, and he'll give up a lot of offensive info, to threaten our dwindling playoff chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said: Has Gibson been ruled out yet? He will play. I think Adam Schecter from ESPN reported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: I changed my mind. If Haskins loses this game, no matter how badly, there's no way I'd cut him tonight or this week. Because then Philly becomes a must-win game, and surely they'd sign him before that game, and he'll give up a lot of offensive info, to threaten our dwindling playoff chances True. Can’t risk him possibly showing Philadelphia his wrist band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said: He will play. I think Adam Schecter from ESPN reported it. He HAS to. When Smith and TMC were ruled out, they probably went to AG and said, "You HAVE to play. We have zero chance without our Big 3. Might as well see what you can do at 80 or 90%" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: I changed my mind. If Haskins loses this game, no matter how badly, there's no way I'd cut him tonight or this week. Because then Philly becomes a must-win game, and surely they'd sign him before that game, and he'll give up a lot of offensive info, to threaten our dwindling playoff chances If Haskins gave Philly his understanding of our offense, they'd probably game-plan for the exact opposite of what we do. In fact, it's just crazy enough to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, JSSkinz said: So the dead cap is prorated? Doesn't matter anyway, he's not getting cut this year and if we cut him next year we will incur the $8.5M in dead cap. I get the implication if we trade him which is why I say we need to trade him, he only has about $4.2M left in bonus money, I believe. Yes it’s based on what you paid. The bonus was all paid up front it’s simply calculated evenly each year. He has a fully guaranteed deal. We are in the hook for 4.4 million in salary and the 4.1 in prorated bonus. That’s how you get the 8.5 number. Cutting him costs us the full 8.5. If we find a GM suffering from traumatic brain injury and are able to trade him, then we ship 4.4 of the hit with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Haskins can do it. Don't know if he will, but he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Should be some interesting reactions, if Haskins wins the game and the division, and doesn't make any mistakes, now that it looks like NYG are gonna lose. Some will still try to create a QB controversy. That's a big if, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: Should be some interesting reactions, if Haskins wins the game and the division, and doesn't make any mistakes, now that it looks like NYG are gonna lose. Some will still try to create a QB controversy. That's a big if, though. We are playing the 4th worst team in the nfl. They have more incentive to lose than win. Winning this game with our defense is something Logan Thomas should be capable of doing as starting QB. Let’s not set the bar so low that we make the loser a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, SoCalSkins said: We are playing the 4th worst team in the nfl. They have more incentive to lose than win. Winning this game with our defense is something Logan Thomas should be capable of doing as starting QB. Let’s not set the bar so low that we make the loser a hero. Preachin to the choir. Just getting everyone ready for that fraction of fans that over-react Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Well Dwayne, your career is about to be defined. Let’s have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoshuaj Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Malapropismic Depository said: and he'll give up a lot of offensive info, Based on recent history, how much info do you think he really has to give?...... hell, hide his wristband and he’s toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: We are playing the 4th worst team in the nfl. They have more incentive to lose than win. Winning this game with our defense is something Logan Thomas should be capable of doing as starting QB. Let’s not set the bar so low that we make the loser a hero. The front office may want them to tank, but the players and coaches do not. I don't expect any team to roll over for any reason ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Simmsy said: The front office may want them to tank, but the players and coaches do not. I don't expect any team to roll over for any reason ever. Conversely, the FO is motivated to make Ron lose, while the players may be sympathetic on him. So there's your 'wash" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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