Trump Border Wall Post-Shutdown Discussion (Wall-Fight)

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

the guy does know trump ran on building a wall, right?

Trump supporters are mindless. Probably assumed that their lying, adultery committing, draft dodging, POW insulting, charity conning, pornstar barebacking, knight in shining armor who also has no problem making fun of people’s disabilities was simply so virtuous of a man that he would never **** up their butterfly thingie.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[RedskinsFan44]

1 hour ago, killerbee99 said:

No sympathy from me... Let it all burn

Want that scarring in their soul... So they know what is to vote for trash who destroys everything they hold and love dearly.... And hopefully they remember this crap the next tume they hear another charlatan spewinf lies and bs

Problem with that is we collectively lose. 28 environmental laws waived, history destroyed. nature destroyed. All for one man's ego / political survival.

[Larry]

2 hours ago, Forehead said:

The Republican Senate has benefited from Harry Reid changing the rules on Supreme Court (is it all judicial) nominees.

 

Harry Reid didn't change the rules on Supreme Court nominees.  Skippy the Turtle did.  

 

(Before they even nominated any, because they intended from the outset to nominate justices who couldn't get through under the old rules.)  

 

[Forehead]

36 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Harry Reid didn't change the rules on Supreme Court nominees.  Skippy the Turtle did.  

 

(Before they even nominated any, because they intended from the outset to nominate justices who couldn't get through under the old rules.)  

 

 

I got that wrong, it was lower courts appointments.  I hope NBC is considered neutral enough.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mcconnell-went-nuclear-confirm-gorsuch-democrats-changed-senate-filibuster-rules-n887271

 

Regardless, the argument of who started it between Reid/McConnell isn't my point.  My point is I hope enough Republicans are self-aware enough to realize that if you set this precedent, a Democratic president will use it down the line to bite them in the ass, whether it is some President AOC type or someone more moderate.

[PleaseBlitz]

It's both (1) self aware enough and (2) have the balls to stand up to Trump.  They need to have both of those things.  

[bearrock]

Eh screw it.  Trump uses emergency power on a vanity wall, next flaming liberal president uses it on single payer, tax on the rich, gun control and green new deal.  AOC 2028!

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

 

[Hersh]

As if all the spineless GOP Senators won’t fall in line after expressing concern 

[visionary]

 

[Fergasun]

The whole, "National Emergency Wall" reminds me of the Iraq invasion of 2003. Back then, I naievly thought Congress would not approve of an invasion under spurious means.

After the shutdown and wall, I am doubting how principled congressmen truly are. Especially loyalty. I never thought Congress would approve a war under false premise out of Presidential loyalty... but the way the GOP stuck out the shutdown for Trump and his bad idea wall?

[Larry]

46 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

Observing that the Senator doesn't attempt to appeal to member's national security or moral principals, but to their desire for party power.  

 

 

[visionary]

 

[Bang]

Next step,, declaring a National Emergency to head off the 2020 election and installing himself President For Life.

They will blame "russian interference aiding the democrats again", his army of mouth breathing trogs will believe it and get their guns out and happily bow to their fresh new dictator.

 

 

i say only half joking...

 

~Bang

[TheGreatBuzz]

30 minutes ago, Bang said:

Next step,, declaring a National Emergency to head off the 2020 election and installing himself President For Life.

They will blame "russian interference aiding the democrats again", his army of mouth breathing trogs will believe it and get their guns out and happily bow to their fresh new dictator.

 

 

i say only half joking...

 

~Bang

Except for him saying "President for Life", everything you said I think is a very real possibility and even likely.

[Jumbo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-mexico-governor-pulls-national-guard-troops-from-border/ar-BBTdL2B?li=BBnb7Kz

 

New Mexico governor pulls National Guard troops from border

 

 

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Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced the partial withdrawal shortly before Trump's State of the Union address. Her Republican predecessor deployed National Guard troops to the border in April 2018 at Trump's suggestion, and 118 remained there before Tuesday's reversal.

 

"New Mexico will not take part in the president's charade of border fear-mongering by misusing our diligent National Guard troops," Lujan Grisham said in a statement.

 

At the same time, the governor said a small contingent — around a dozen guardsmen — will remain in the southwestern corner of the state to assist with humanitarian needs in a remote corridor for cross-border immigration. She also mobilized state police to assist local law enforcement.

 

"I recognize and appreciate the legitimate concerns of residents and officials in southwestern New Mexico, particularly Hidalgo County, who have asked for our assistance, as migrants and asylum-seekers continue to appear at their doorstep," the governor said.

 

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Lujan Grisham traveled last month to New Mexico's southern edge for briefings from the National Guard and Customs and Border Protection, explaining that she wanted to see the situation for herself. On Tuesday, she also directed 25 troops from other states — Arkansas, Kansas, Kentucky, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Wisconsin — to withdraw from the New Mexico border.

 

 

[Bang]

To my count he has said he thinks it's a good idea twice in public.

when the Chinese president installed himself as President for Life, he said publicly that he thought it was a good idea and maybe something we ought to think about trying here.

he said it one other time during the last year at one of his idiot rallies, but at the moment i can't exactly remember when. One of those half-threats he makes looking off to the side like he does. "...i don't know folks...."

 

Frankly, in watching his actions so far and how he seems to not only think ruling by decree is a good idea, he thinks it is how he should do it..  it is logical to assume the wannabe dictator will take the steps.

 

~Bang

9 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Except for him saying "President for Life", everything you said I think is a very real possibility and even likely.

 

~Bang

Edited February 6, 2019 by Bang

[TheGreatBuzz]

46 minutes ago, Bang said:

To my count he has said he thinks it's a good idea twice in public.

I think the effect of what he will try will be to make himself president for life.  I just think he won't use those exact words.  He will say the election was tampered with and he needs to stay president until the investigation is over.  Then the investigation will never end.  

 

At least that how I think he will do it.  If he makes it to the next election without being impeached, I'd say there is a better than 50% chance he tries it.

[Llevron]

3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I think the effect of what he will try will be to make himself president for life.  I just think he won't use those exact words.  He will say the election was tampered with and he needs to stay president until the investigation is over.  Then the investigation will never end.  

 

At least that how I think he will do it.  If he makes it to the next election without being impeached, I'd say there is a better than 50% chance he tries it.

 

I dont even think the GOP is corrupt enough to let him get away with that though

 

*god damnit please dont let that have to be tested*

[TheGreatBuzz]

Just now, Llevron said:

 

I dont even think the GOP is corrupt enough to let him get away with that though

 

*god damnit please dont let that have to be tested*

Can you name one thing where they have shown there is a limit to their corruption?

[visionary]

 

[Larry]

1 minute ago, visionary said:

 

 

Pretty sure that's the correct answer.  

 

[visionary]

 

5 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Pretty sure that's the correct answer.  

 

It is somewhat correct.  But not exactly an answer.  More of a statement of fact.

[Llevron]

38 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Can you name one thing where they have shown there is a limit to their corruption?

 

No. No I cannot. 

[LD0506]

2 hours ago, Bang said:

Next step,, declaring a National Emergency to head off the 2020 election and installing himself President For Life.

They will blame "russian interference aiding the democrats again", his army of mouth breathing trogs will believe it and get their guns out and happily bow to their fresh new dictator.

 

 

i say only half joking...

 

~Bang

 

And after the shooting stops and they're piled up for disposal, everyone surviving will be the "left"

[MartinC]

18 hours ago, bearrock said:

Eh screw it.  Trump uses emergency power on a vanity wall, next flaming liberal president uses it on single payer, tax on the rich, gun control and green new deal.  AOC 2028!

 

If Trump uses emergency powers it will be tied up in courts and likely will not be settled before the next Presidential election. Trump must know that and so declaring the emergency allows him to say to his base 'Look its not my fault the wall didn't get built - blame the Dems on those liberal Courts - vote for me and we will make sure we get more Conservative judges and keep you all safe from the dark skinned boogey men. Oh and abortion - that to. Vote me'.

 

His base are dumb enough to buy that - or just don't care and will back Trump whatever for reasons that are emotional not logical. But thats circa 35% of the population. With the distribution of those 35% if the Democrats don't get a unifying candidate and manage it so no 3rd candidate runs who gets enough votes to matter that 35% still might be enough to win via the electoral college.