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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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35 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Cooley is almost always out on vacation most the entire month of July.  Kevin has been handling in his absence.  Now with Cooley returning today, Kevin was out on vaca.  He did allude to the fact that with the radio station transferring ownership, they aren't exactly guaranteed to remain a show together on the station.  He said he's about 80% certain they will but nothing is guaranteed at this time.

 

Yep, it sounds like everyone might be in wait-and-see mode until there's some news. Today's show was bizarre...it was Cooley and Greg Huff (normally the producer) just kind of shooting the ****. They were discussing data plans for an entire segment! Certainly, without Sheehan some of the professionalism goes away, but man this was brutal. 

 

I feel like the combination of the show's future being in limbo, Kevin being out, and Cooley just back from a few weeks off made for a really bad production. 

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7 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Yep, it sounds like everyone might be in wait-and-see mode until there's some news. Today's show was bizarre...it was Cooley and Greg Huff (normally the producer) just kind of shooting the ****. They were discussing data plans for an entire segment! Certainly, without Sheehan some of the professionalism goes away, but man this was brutal. 

 

I feel like the combination of the show's future being in limbo, Kevin being out, and Cooley just back from a few weeks off made for a really bad production. 

 

I am an avid listener and Sheehan has been doing the show for what seems like six weeks or so without Cooley. I didn't know about the station ownership change causing any issues, as I've felt Cooley is just taking an extended vacay just because he can without fear of losing his job there. If the station is having issues about the program then that changes everything. Hopefully, the show stays as is, I firmly believe Cooley's film breakdowns are the most informative analysis I can get when it comes to the Redskins and pro football as a whole.

 

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2 minutes ago, Bantu said:

 

I am an avid listener and Sheehan has been doing the show for what seems like six weeks or so without Cooley. I didn't know about the station ownership change causing any issues, as I've felt Cooley is just taking an extended vacay just because he can without fear of losing his job there. If the station is having issues about the program then that changes everything. Hopefully, the show stays as is, I firmly believe Cooley's film breakdowns are the most informative analysis I can get when it comes to the Redskins and pro football as a whole.

 

 

I'm not saying he went on sabbatical because of the uncertainty...he may do it every year since he can't really take weeks off during the season. But, I know that none of the programming is decided upon yet, so I can't imagine the potential for change isn't on their mind a little. 

 

I think Cooley does fine, but have always loved Sheehan and Galdi the most. I hope whatever the new format looks like, they are featured. 

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1 hour ago, Bantu said:

, I firmly believe Cooley's film breakdowns are the most informative analysis I can get when it comes to the Redskins and pro football as a whole.

 

I would pay for a podcast of his film breakdowns and analysis if I had to. I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way either 

 

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Sheehan and Cooley make a good duo but Cooley's lack of knowledge in other sports is painful to listen to, and its worse when they're both discussing something they're ignorant in, like baseball.

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Effort or not, Doctson looks to me like a one-trick-pony. Jump ball guy. Nice complimentary piece when you already have a strong possession receiver (Garcon) and a burner on the outside (Jackson). But as one of the guys you count on to move the chains on 3rd and 8? I don't see it. And I haven't seen anything yet to make me think otherwise. I'll run around the block naked if he ever has a season with 70 catches.

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28 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Sheehan and Cooley make a good duo but Cooley's lack of knowledge in other sports is painful to listen to, and its worse when they're both discussing something they're ignorant in, like baseball.

I could totally believe that, he almost totally checks out during hockey and baseball. Thing is so do I, so I guess it doesn't bother me. I can totally understand it being annoying. 

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1 minute ago, Stadium-Armory said:

Effort, or not, Doctson looks to me like a one-trick-pony. Jump ball guy. Nice complimentary piece when you already have a strong possession receiver (Garcon) and a burner on the outside (Jackson). But as one of the guys you count on to move the chains on 3rd and 8? I don't see it. And I haven't seen anything yet to make me think otherwise. I'll run around the block naked if he ever has a season with 70 catches.

 

I hate to agree with you but my gut tells me this as well.  Does he flash the ability to be a monster from time to time?  Absolutely.  But nothing I saw out of him led me to believe that’s something we’ll see consistently.  I hear folks talking about him being open and not thrown to.  Well, you could say the same for pretty much every other receiver in the league. 

 

Obviously, I’d love to be wrong.  

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21 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

One name I havn't heard mentioned at all is McPhee

I was wondering the same thing.  I thought he was nice under the radar pick up who could play a big role for us.

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Doctson seems like the type of guy who no matter what year in his career he’s at, we’ll always be talking about his “potential”.

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4 minutes ago, mojo said:

I was wondering the same thing.  I thought he was nice under the radar pick up who could play a big role for us.

 

Immediately after I posted that about McPhee, I see/hear this about him from RK

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Stadium-Armory said:

Effort or not, Doctson looks to me like a one-trick-pony. Jump ball guy. Nice complimentary piece when you already have a strong possession receiver (Garcon) and a burner on the outside (Jackson). But as one of the guys you count on to move the chains on 3rd and 8? I don't see it. And I haven't seen anything yet to make me think otherwise. I'll run around the block naked if he ever has a season with 70 catches.

 

This may or may not be accurate, but if Reed is healthy, we should be fine on third down. It’s going to be hard to cover Reed, Crowder and Thompson on 3rd down. 

 

I want to see Doctson regularly make some big plays and also rack up TD’s. 

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15 minutes ago, dyst said:

Doctson seems like the type of guy who no matter what year in his career he’s at, we’ll always be talking about his “potential”.

In many ways, Docston reminds me of Westbrook. Westbrook showed flashes on the field but other times looked pretty meh. He was injured all the time and only had 1 season that even came close to justifying his draft status.

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37 minutes ago, Stadium-Armory said:

I'll run around the block naked if he ever has a season with 70 catches.

 

I'm going to hold you to that. :P

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45 minutes ago, Darth Tater said:

In many ways, Docston reminds me of Westbrook. Westbrook showed flashes on the field but other times looked pretty meh. He was injured all the time and only had 1 season that even came close to justifying his draft status.

The funniest thing about Doctson is how much McCloughan focused on and how often he expressed how deeply he cared about passion. Doctson may work out, but he doesn't seem like a high motor guy who lives, breathes, and loves football with all his heart.

 

Him and Su'a were McCloughan's big gets. Neither seem to have that drive. That said, I've seen people in a whole lot of fields who are really successful who to the rest of the world don't seem to love their job. They just happen to be very good at it and take it very seriously.

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5 minutes ago, Burgold said:

The funniest thing about Doctson is how much McCloughan focused and expressed how deeply cared about passion. Doctson may work out, but he doesn't seem like a high motor guy who live, breathes, and loves football with all his heart.

 

Him and Su'a were McCloughan's big gets. Neither seem to that drive. That said, I've seen people in a whole lot of fields who are really successful who to the rest of the world don't seem to love their job. They just happen to be very good at it and take it very seriously.

Yep and there are fireballs that come out fast and fade quick. Calvin Muhammad really looked like he'd replace Charlie Brown at first. More recently, Roddy White looked like a bust for his first two years.

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6 hours ago, Morneblade said:

 

This is the part I don't agree with. I see more reasons to expect disappointment. I mean, the reports so far are:

1. not motivated

2. bad route running

 

That's not going to get it done. I mean, lets look at his history.

1. Year 1 - derailed by an Achilles injury that, has never been really diagnosed. What was actually going on?

2. Year 2 - Modest year. Showed some flashes, but also completely disappeared quite a bit. Didn't show the ability to separate.

3. Year 3 - Reports from TC indicate that he doesn't seem to be really interested in getting better. Not working hard on his craft.

 

So, I'm not really seeing a bunch of reasons to think he's going to be good, much less great. I mean, Laquan Treadwell is busting pretty bad too, so it might just be a really thin WR class.

 

Do you have links to all these reports talking about him being uninterested, not working hard, and running bad routes? Not calling you a liar, I just haven't seen them. Most of the ones I've seen are about how he's impressing. 

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39 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Do you have links to all these reports talking about him being uninterested, not working hard, and running bad routes? Not calling you a liar, I just haven't seen them. Most of the ones I've seen are about how he's impressing. 

 

yep, the only negative I heard was the time he fumbled and didn't play defense

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1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Do you have links to all these reports talking about him being uninterested, not working hard, and running bad routes? Not calling you a liar, I just haven't seen them. Most of the ones I've seen are about how he's impressing. 

 

Sure, I had them in a previous post, but I can put them up again.

 

https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/7/29/17627480/redskins-training-camp-offensive-breakdowns-who-stood-out-and-who-needs-to-improve

" Who disappointed? Most notably, Josh Doctson. His nonchalance HAS to get on the coaches’ nerves and he drew more than one passive-aggressive ‘it’s the little things’ comment from a coach. It may just be his personality, but his effort appeared to be significantly lacking in comparison to his teammates. For a player in his position, with such an important year on the horizon, you’d hope he’d show some fire. Even when DJ Swearinger forced, and then scooped, a Doctson fumble in an 11-on-11 session, the receiver didn’t even pretend to chase/atone for his mistake. Slow walks back to the sideline after drops and weak effort in and out of his routes were all too apparent for most of the weekend. Again, it’s possible Doctson is a Marvin Harrison type; a guy that can show very little passion and produce on the field. Time will tell."

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Mourneblade -

 

That was posted by a random team fan. ^ From all accounts, it sadly sounds like a fan that just doesn't like Doctson and is feeding his own agenda. 

 

 

 
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https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2018-washington-redskins-53-man-roster-prediction-10

 

Tandler thinks Perine is out the 53. WTH?? Can't pull the plug on this kid after one year. A lot of great RB's have had troubles in their first couple of seasons.. I thought he ran hard and went through some growing pains, not to mention our line problems..

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7 minutes ago, Sandy Monk said:

Mourneblade -

 

That was posted by a random team fan. ^ From all accounts, it sadly sounds like a fan that just doesn't like Doctson and is feeding his own agenda. 

 

 

 I've seen those as well, although I did not see them until after the hogshaven  report. Most of it didn't seem to focus on a large body of work, seems like just a couple of "wow" moments are really mentioned. Those are nice, but he did that some last year. He's got to be consistent. He was far from that last year.

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it someone "feeding their own agenda". Because that's a good way to loose your own credibility.

No "u" in Morneblade. :)

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47 minutes ago, Playaction2Sanders said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/2018-washington-redskins-53-man-roster-prediction-10

 

Tandler thinks Perine is out the 53. WTH?? Can't pull the plug on this kid after one year. A lot of great RB's have had troubles in their first couple of seasons.. I thought he ran hard and went through some growing pains, not to mention our line problems..

 

the problem isn't that Perine is bad, it's that others are doing better. 

 

Looking at the list, my surprises are Quick over Davis, I've heard much more about Davis so far, and on the offensive line that Catalina is still one of the main backups.

 

what I'd really love is if some of these guys show enough the Skins could pull of a trade with them

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