Dan T. Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: huh? Hannity told no one of this conflict of interest. He then went on to rail against the raid and against the FBI for executing it. He will probably lose his jobs because of this. His ethics are shot (and he has never recovered from the ad boycott and is behind Maddow now in ratings) Apparently you are not familiar with Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: huh? Hannity told no one of this conflict of interest. He then went on to rail against the raid and against the FBI for executing it. He will probably lose his jobs because of this. His ethics are shot (and he has never recovered from the ad boycott and is behind Maddow now in ratings) One can only hope. Bet you're surprised I feel this way but have despised Hannity for a while now. Like Maddow believe it or not (Disagree with almost everything she says but like her However I do like George Will and Tucker Carlson.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, nonniey said: Bet you're surprised I feel this way but have despised Hannity for a while now. Like Maddow believe it or not (Disagree with almost everything she says but like her Nobody believes this. Firm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Hannity told no one of this conflict of interest. Pretty sure Fox News gets the same talking points fax from the Koch Brothers everyday as the RNC, and you want to talk about "conflict of interest"? These' MF'rs don't care about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'll grant you guys that Fox News Management don't have a whole lot of scruples but they HATE being made to look stupid by the "MSM" and they are being made to look stupid by this. They're not gonna have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: They're not gonna have it. ETA? When Murdoch's sons took over Fox News, I thought they'd "clean it" up because of the rumors they hated what it had become so much. I'm convinced someone sat them down in a room and showed them numbers and that's why this **** is taking so long (similar to any President getting the first briefing and realizing they cannot keep certain campaign promises they made without intel they now have - no doubt in my mind that's what happened to Obama). I'm hovering over any news of sponsors dropping or viewers revolt. Fox News is a machine that hasn't been turned off because of how much money its making. This stopped being about what was best for the country or their image a long time ago. Edit: I can text my Trumper friend right now about this, you know what his response is going to be?: "Small world" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Edit: I can text my Trumper friend right now about this, you know what his response is going to be?: "Small world" I’m actually morbidly curious. Would you mind texting him and asking what he thinks then sharing it with us? Does your friend think that Trump had an affair with Stormy Daniels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: I’m actually morbidly curious. Would you mind texting him and asking what he thinks then sharing it with us? Way ahead of you, waiting for his response (it's midnight, so I know he's asleep, I may just swing by his shop for lunch like I do sometimes) It's weird, he feels stuck as a conservative in terms of sources that aren't left leaning, and I keep trying to tell him that's not the problem, Trump is f'n up so much that they're going to point it out and they should. We're not on the same page about f'n up though, but he knows Fox News is not perfect. Interesting how one of the reasons he supports them is as a response to MSNBC, people absolutely feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: Pretty sure Fox News gets the same talking points fax from the Koch Brothers everyday as the RNC, and you want to talk about "conflict of interest"? These' MF'rs don't care about that. If the Koch brothers had their way with Fox Hannity would have been long gone. You guys seem to think the Koch brothers are fans of Trump - they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, nonniey said: If the Koch brothers had their way with Fox Hannity would have been long gone. You guys seem to think the Koch brothers are fans of Trump - they're not. You're underselling the dilemma they are in: They hate Trump, but the need him in power compared to the alternative to get their agenda passed. That's why they tried not to touch with a ten foot poll until after he won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Poor Koch brothers. They hate Trump. The only reason they were even willing to look past his destroying our civic institutions is because they wanted that tax cut that's going to make them an extra $1.4 billion/year. I know what you're thinking... that $82 billion dollar net worth they're currently holding seems like it should be enough for them but really, is it? They're obviously not happy. They could be though if only we could stop thinking of ourselves and of each other and make a few sacrifices to help get that number up to $83.4 billion. Now that's true happiness. I say screw everybody who isn't a billionaire and screw the USA if it means the Koch brothers can have a little more. Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, **** the Koch brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Only thing that makes sense to me wrt Hannity is there must be some material on him that got swept up in the raid that they are hoping to protect by claiming attorney client privilege. If so they are off to a bumbling start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Dan T. said: Apparently you are not familiar with Fox News. Right? they had no problem paying off the oreilly accusers. They’ve had no problem with hannity so far. Now they’re supposed to draw a line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 The only thing I would like more than seeing the Trump pee tape leaked (no pun intended) to the press would be if it turned out to actually be Hannity on the tape with Russian hookers and golden showers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, visionary said: Have to say, my vast legal mind (I watched My Cousin Vinnie) is puzzled by this. (At least, not letting Cohen see them). I mean, I thought the defense is supposedly allowed to see everything an investigation turns up. AND everything they got was supposedly in Cohen's possession, anyway. How do you deny someone permission to see his own property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Larry said: Have to say, my vast legal mind (I watched My Cousin Vinnie) is puzzled by this. (At least, not letting Cohen see them). I mean, I thought the defense is supposedly allowed to see everything an investigation turns up. AND everything they got was supposedly in Cohen's possession, anyway. How do you deny someone permission to see his own property? Trump's team wanted to get possession of the seized materials, review it themselves, decide for themselves what was covered by attorney client privilege, then turn over the rest. As if. As Colbert said last night, that's like a murder suspect saying "Your honor, before the coroner conducts the autopsy, I'd like a few minutes alone with the body." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Larry said: Have to say, my vast legal mind (I watched My Cousin Vinnie) is puzzled by this. (At least, not letting Cohen see them). I mean, I thought the defense is supposedly allowed to see everything an investigation turns up. AND everything they got was supposedly in Cohen's possession, anyway. How do you deny someone permission to see his own property? I think they will be allowed to see anything that will be introduced as evidence in a trial. The Feds take the evidence and connect the dots as they see fit to go bring on charges, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Larry said: Have to say, my vast legal mind (I watched My Cousin Vinnie) is puzzled by this. (At least, not letting Cohen see them). I mean, I thought the defense is supposedly allowed to see everything an investigation turns up. AND everything they got was supposedly in Cohen's possession, anyway. How do you deny someone permission to see his own property? It's a poorly written headline. She denied the request of Trump and Cohen to see the docs before prosecutors. What Trump and Cohen wanted was to get first crack at the docs and remove those they claimed as privileged, meaning prosecutors only got to see what Trump/Cohen wanted them to. Which is silly, and so was naturally denied. Instead, and I admit I'm not 100% sure on the process here, but it appears that one of two things is likely to happen. 1) Judge appoints a "Special Master" who looks through the documents and recommends to the judge whoch ones to consider privileged and which ones to not. At the same time, both prosecutors and defense get copies of the docs, and can challenge the findings of the Special Master. Ultimately the judge is the final decision maker as to whether something is or isn't privileged if there's not agreement on it. 2) No special master is appointed and the parties each get copies. Defense submits some docs as privileged to the judge, prosecutors can challenge them as not privileged. Prosecutors will also likely employ a "taint team" during this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, Larry said: Have to say, my vast legal mind (I watched My Cousin Vinnie) is puzzled by this. (At least, not letting Cohen see them). I mean, I thought the defense is supposedly allowed to see everything an investigation turns up. AND everything they got was supposedly in Cohen's possession, anyway. How do you deny someone permission to see his own property? They have the right to see the information but not during an ongoing investigation. Think of it this way: If your bedroom was a murder scene, would you be granted permission "have 15 minutes alone in there" before the police arrived? Cohen will be entitled to review everything during discovery, assuming we ever reach that stage. Due process is about "when" as much as it is a "what." By the way, Hannity can have attorney-client privilege with Cohen even if he was never technically a client. It's just a very weird argument to be making at this stage. "We talked about nothing, and you aren't allowed to know about it." 17 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: It's a poorly written headline. She denied the request of Trump and Cohen to see the docs before prosecutors. What Trump and Cohen wanted was to get first crack at the docs and remove those they claimed as privileged, meaning prosecutors only got to see what Trump/Cohen wanted them to. Which is silly, and so was naturally denied. Instead, and I admit I'm not 100% sure on the process here, but it appears that one of two things is likely to happen. 1) Judge appoints a "Special Master" who looks through the documents and recommends to the judge whoch ones to consider privileged and which ones to not. At the same time, both prosecutors and defense get copies of the docs, and can challenge the findings of the Special Master. Ultimately the judge is the final decision maker as to whether something is or isn't privileged if there's not agreement on it. 2) No special master is appointed and the parties each get copies. Defense submits some docs as privileged to the judge, prosecutors can challenge them as not privileged. Prosecutors will also likely employ a "taint team" during this process. It's standard DOJ proceducre to have a "taint tam" review documents prior to the prosecutors to remove privileged information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If the attorney and client engaged in criminal activity together, the privilege doesn't exist. I am guessing that there's plenty in there to abrogate the privilege. One thing they are definitely looking at is campaign fraud relating to at least Stormy Daniels payment if not other women. And there may be other crimes, like money laundering with Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: If the attorney and client engaged in criminal activity together, the privilege doesn't exist. I am guessing that there's plenty in there to abrogate the privilege. One thing they are definitely looking at is campaign fraud relating to at least Stormy Daniels payment if not other women. And there may be other crimes, like money laundering with Russians. I think you are giving Cohen too much credit. He's the guy that pays off hoo-ors. He's not laundering money. If that is being done at all, it's being done overseas in ways that you aren't going to catch by raining an office in Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Prosecutors will also likely employ a "taint team" during this process. Coincidentally, "Taint Team" is one of the films in the Stormy Daniels collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dan T. said: Coincidentally, "Taint Team" is one of the films in the Stormy Daniels collection. On this day, 17 April, 2018. Dan T won the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 TAINT TEAM starring Stormy Daniels She Will (De)File Your Briefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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