No Excuses Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) I can't be the only one who just laughed at the utter sadness of this scene: Remember in Season 3/4 when Dany was like the Queen of Essos, had three dragons, an army the size of Westeros. Cersei should have put everyone out of their misery. Edited May 6, 2019 by No Excuses 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, No Excuses said: I can't be the only one who just laughed at the utter sadness of this scene: Remember in Season 3/4 when Dany was like the Queen of Essos, had three dragons, an army the size of Westeros. Cersei should have put everyone out of their misery. You weren't. I thought it was awful immediately. I would have been happier if Cersei killed everyone just for them being so stupid and showing up like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I go back to my fundamental point about this show. The superstructure of it is flawed. Does anyone think Dany or Jon would be good at governing - either alone, separately or together? Does anyone think this kingdom is remotely governable? There is nothing uniting any of these houses - not even self interest. There is no shared religion. There is no Parliament or Senate to even remotely influence the monarchy. There is no beauracracy. There are seemingly no shared economic interests as there is no economy aside from making weapons. This is really just 150 individual revenge stories all tied together. So trying to wrap that up in one big bow is impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: Also, the Mountain is totally going to kill Arya, and people are going to be pissed. Interesting twist....what if Arya kills the Mountain and uses his face? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, No Excuses said: Book Euron is a supremely evil and really interesting character. I don't know what the show writers were thinking when they made this iteration of Euron. They had source material to work with and just delivered the most comically bad, dumb jock of a pirate. I feel like the first time the show writers took liberty in making something happen with no justification was Ramsey and his 20 good men who stealth destroyed Stannis and his entire army in one night. Euron is basically "Ramsay and his 20 good men" on steroids. They gave us Victarion's version of Euron. Damphair shows us the real Euron you're referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: I go back to my fundamental point about this show. The superstructure of it is flawed. Does anyone think Dany or Jon would be good at governing - either alone, separately or together? Does anyone think this kingdom is remotely governable? There is nothing uniting any of these houses - not even self interest. There is no shared religion. There is no Parliament or Senate to even remotely influence the monarchy. There is no beauracracy. There are seemingly no shared economic interests as there is no economy aside from making weapons. This is really just 150 individual revenge stories all tied together. So trying to wrap that up in one big bow is impossible. Has there ever been a discussion on what fuels the economy of Westeros? Farming? Wine making? Perpetual war seems to not have any effect on the population density either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: I thought that reveal was going to be the impetus for Cersei firing the arrows at Tyrion. She couldn't because Qyburn was still out there and he's her only "brain". Although, the point still stands. Sacrifice Qyburn to end this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 The only defense I can see of Jon leaving Ghost, is that Ghost would sometimes wander off and leave Jon, especially north of the wall. Remember Ghost isn't a dog. You don't chain him up or put him in cages. He doesn't necessarily follow Jon wherever he goes. He's a wolf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Jedi Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) Anyone disappointed with Bronn’s arc? He started out as one of my favorite side characters, and I envisioned him having a similar trajectory as Han Solo - in it for the money before he makes new friends and finds a new purpose. He had great chemistry with the Lannister bros, and maybe even formed a friendship, but that scene last night... really threw me off. I envisioned him joining the fight against the AotD, after seeing the realm is more important than family squabble, but he didn’t end up making it until last nights episode. I understand he is frustrated with getting shafted on promises, but if what he’s owed is all that’s important, that’s just.... lame. Edited May 6, 2019 by Rogue Jedi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Entertaining but really sloppily written episode. Really hope these last two end the show on the high note it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rogue Jedi said: Anyone disappointed with Bronn’s arc? He started out as one of my favorite side characters, and I envisioned him having a similar trajectory as Han Solo - in it for the money before he makes new friends and finds a new purpose. He had great chemistry with the Lannister bros, and maybe even formed a friendship, but that scene last night... really threw me off. I envisioned him joining the fight against the AotD, after seeing the realm is more important than family squabble, but he didn’t end up making it until last nights episode. I understand he is frustrated with getting shafted on promises, but if what he’s owed is all that’s important, that’s just.... lame. That's not who Bronn is. He's there to kick ass and make funny quips. He is a mercenary at heart though and while he may feel affection for Lannister brothers, he cares about himself most of all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Elessar78 said: Someone just pointed out that Tyrion may have just cucked Euron. She mentions to Cersei about the baby. He just found out. How could Tyrion have known? Bad writing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Yara regroups and builds a large navy (because apparently people spawn as adults in Westeros) which takes Euron by surprise when he tries to shoot down Dany again. Dany, thankful that Yara saved her remaining army from certain destruction, decides to go lesbian and ditch Jon Snow. They sail off into the sunset while an epic boat sex scene occurs and leave Jon to figure out how to defeat Cersei. Jon loses the battle because he can't plan for ****. Arya steals Ser Pounce's face and swipes at Cersei; the scratch becomes infected and Cersei dies. Gendry becomes the king of the 7 kingdoms and the new Ser Friendzone as Arya rejects his marriage proposals every month. The end. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Here's the thing about the parlay scene. It's fine as a parlay, and under the pirate's code, which as we all know cross applies to all properties, one wouldn't shoot on parties negotiating with each other. But somehow killing Missy is fine in this circumstance as well? I guess all's fair insofar as dealing with captives, and so long as Dany didn't immediately break the parlay Cersei would allow them to leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Rogue Jedi said: Anyone disappointed with Bronn’s arc? He started out as one of my favorite side characters, and I envisioned him having a similar trajectory as Han Solo - in it for the money before he makes new friends and finds a new purpose. He had great chemistry with the Lannister bros, and maybe even formed a friendship, but that scene last night... really threw me off. I envisioned him joining the fight against the AotD, after seeing the realm is more important than family squabble, but he didn’t end up making it until last nights episode. I understand he is frustrated with getting shafted on promises, but if what he’s owed is all that’s important, that’s just.... lame. I think we have seen the last of Bronn. Feel like they had that scene last night so we aren't sitting around waiting for him to show up and collect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 https://ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-recap-season-8-episode-4/ Quote Star Kit Harington previously teased that the episode, titled “The Last of the Starks,” is “Shakespearian.” Accurate. The 80-minute episode was a medieval fantasy tragedy. As Tyrion neatly put it: “We may have defeated them but we still have us to contend with.” After successfully uniting under the single purpose of defeating the Night King, the characters began quickly to fall victim to their most destructive impulses. Quote Daenerys was far too eager to push her forces into battle. Jon was — I would argue — far too honest and too soon with his family about his parentage. Jaime fell into bed with Brienne, then couldn’t resist returning to his sister. And Cersei had a chance to avoid war and her own possible destruction, and instead let her resentment, pride, and ambition consume her. This was an episode of scorpions being carried across rivers by frogs and then getting stung anyway because, of course, that’s the nature of scorpions (that’s perhaps a confusing metaphor choice because it was also about those giant crossbows which are likewise called scorpions). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Barry.Randolphe said: Has there ever been a discussion on what fuels the economy of Westeros? Farming? Wine making? Perpetual war seems to not have any effect on the population density either. It is sort of mentioned in the books, though in no great detail. The Lannisters having tons of gold (presumably from mining) is mentioned several times and HIghgarden is considered a very wealthy kingdom due to having the best lands for farming, wine-making, etc. I don't know if it is ever touched on for any of the others, but I can hazard a guess. Winterfell: Ice exports Dorne: Sand Riverrun: Fish? Eyrie: Tittie Milk Dragonstone: I guess dragonglass? Storms End: No clue... Really only Casterly Rock and Highgarden are ever mentioned in this context. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: I go back to my fundamental point about this show. The superstructure of it is flawed. Does anyone think Dany or Jon would be good at governing - either alone, separately or together? Does anyone think this kingdom is remotely governable? There is nothing uniting any of these houses - not even self interest. There is no shared religion. There is no Parliament or Senate to even remotely influence the monarchy. There is no beauracracy. There are seemingly no shared economic interests as there is no economy aside from making weapons. This is really just 150 individual revenge stories all tied together. So trying to wrap that up in one big bow is impossible. That would be a reasonable ending for the show - destroy the IT, go back to 7 kingdoms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Forehead said: It is sort of mentioned in the books, though in no great detail. The Lannisters having tons of gold (presumably from mining) is mentioned several times and HIghgarden is considered a very wealthy kingdom due to having the best lands for farming, wine-making, etc. I don't know if it is ever touched on for any of the others, but I can hazard a guess. Winterfell: Ice exports Dorne: Sand Riverrun: Fish? Eyrie: Tittie Milk Dragonstone: I guess dragonglass? Storms End: No clue... Really only Casterly Rock and Highgarden are ever mentioned in this context. They always mention Dornish wine. Being a dry climate, I'd imagine they have other exports which do well in warm dry climates such as olives, dates, figs, citrus. etc. The North most likely has a good lumber export industry. Also probably wool. The Eyrie probably has some minerals as it is very mountainous. Riverrun I'd say your typical crops such as wheat. Also good land for grazing cattle. Although not quite as productive as Highgarden. Dragonstone was likely just a trade / fishing port at best. I think its importance is due solely to its location the fact of its connection to the Iron Throne. Kind of like Gibraltar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I forgot the Dornish wine, but otherwise you're speculating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 57 minutes ago, S.T.real,lights,out said: I think we have seen the last of Bronn. Feel like they had that scene last night so we aren't sitting around waiting for him to show up and collect. Bronn ends up with nothing because Cersei, Tyrion, and Jamie are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Elessar78 said: She couldn't because Qyburn was still out there and he's her only "brain". Although, the point still stands. Sacrifice Qyburn to end this now. Was thinking she had a clean shot when he walked forward so far past Qyburn and blew up her spot about Euron’s not prince in her belly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 This may sound like a hot take, but I think the writing has been poor this season. This Dany heel turn seems a force. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: This may sound like a hot take, but I think the writing has been poor this season. This Dany heel turn seems a force. If you think that’s a hot take I don’t think you’ve read this thread much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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