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after reading the earliest posts yesterday that mentioned wanting to wait and see more info and not rush to judment (a trait i encourage),  i wrote a post saying that there was enough info available at the time imo (then) available already in the media, even before the prosecutor laid out a damning amount of info and that i already  hoped they'd get the legal maximum on each count and that just in general i wish for only the most serious  consequences things for parents that have behaved as these two...i didn't post it cuz i knew folks might just not have searched for the info much at that point and didn't want to come off as criticizing showing a little caution in forming an opinion on such a serious matter

 

and now that even more info has come out, i  see the parents as even more a couple of longtime ****-brained weasels of familiar type, and definitely having a great deal of responsibility for their offspring's actions

 

 

here's more detail on what the previous tweet-post had to say about their arrest

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutor-considers-charging-parents-michigan-151952051.html

 

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DETROIT — James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of the teen charged in the Oxford High School shooting were located and arrested early Saturday in Detroit, a little more than two hours after a citizen saw their vehicle and called police.

 

Authorities had been searching for the Crumbleys since about noon Friday after they were charged with four counts each of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting deaths at the high school in Michigan. Their son, Ethan Crumbley, 15, is accused of fatally shooting four students and injuring seven others at the suburban Detroit high school on Tuesday.

 

The Crumbley parents did not show for their arraignment Friday afternoon in Rochester Hills, Michigan. The U.S. Marshals Service issued "Wanted" posters and offered a reward for information leading to their arrests.

 

The investigation of the shootings and the search for the Crumbleys was led by the Oakland County Sheriff's Office. Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe said the vehicle was found around 11:30 p.m. Friday.

 

"The owner of the building arrived and saw the car in the back parking lot, knew it didn’t belong there, went to investigate," McCabe told the Detroit Free Press, part of the USA TODAY Network.

 

The building's owner immediately recognized the car from information put out by law enforcement, checked the license plate, which matched, and called 911.

 

By about 1:45 a.m., the Crumbleys were under arrest. The couple was found hiding inside a commercial building and were "distressed," Detroit Police Chief James White told reporters. They were unarmed, he added.

 

White said police believe someone had let the Crumbleys into the building. He said those who aided the couple could face criminal charges.

 

Jennifer and James Crumbley were each charged with involuntary manslaughter after Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said they bought the firearm for their son as a Christmas gift.

 

During a hearing that started around noon, a lieutenant with the Oakland County Sheriff's Office said the parents were not in custody. The Oakland County Fugitive Team, along with several agencies, were searching for the couple as of Friday evening.

 

"The action of fleeing and ignoring their attorney certainly adds weight to the charges," Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said in a release Friday. "They cannot run from their part in this tragedy."

 

But the family's lawyers said the couple was not fleeing from authorities and were returning to the area after having left town briefly amid the commotion surrounding tragedy.

 

"The Crumbleys left town on the night of the tragic shooting for their own safety. They are returning to the area to be arraigned," their lawyers Smith and Mariell Lehman said.

 

The gun had been stored in an unlocked drawer in their house, and Crumbley's parents did not ask where it was when they were called to the school the day of the shooting for a disturbing drawing their son made of a firearm, McDonald said at a news conference Friday.

 

Ethan Crumbley had posted about the firearm online and researched ammunition while at school, McDonald said the investigation revealed. He was also allowed to return to class on the day of the shooting after the meeting with his parents, she said.

 

"The facts of this case are so egregious," McDonald said.

 

Charges for parents of shooter rare, experts say: Michigan school shooting is 'so egregious,' the suspect's parents are charged.

 

Michigan school shooting suspect faces life in prison: What murder, terrorism charges mean

 

Crumbley was charged Wednesday as an adult with murder, terrorism and other crimes in what investigators described as a methodical and deliberate massacre.

 

When asked whether her office was looking into charges for any school officials, McDonald said the investigation was ongoing.

 

"While the shooter was the one who entered the high school and pulled the trigger, there are other individuals who contributed to the events on Nov. 30, and it's my intention to hold them accountable as well," she said.

 

Here's what we know:

 

Prosecutor: Gun was 'Christmas present'

 

At a news conference Friday, McDonald laid out how Ethan Crumbley got the weapon other warning signs in the days leading up to the shooting.

McDonald said Ethan Crumbley was there when his father bought the 9mm Sig Sauer SP 2022 on Nov. 26. The same day, the younger Crumbley posted photos of the weapon online, calling it his "new beauty." His mom said in a post the following day, "Mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present," McDonald said.

 

"Clearly based on the statements of the shooter (and) the statements of mom, that was his gun," McDonald said.

 

Prosecutor: School officials knew shooting suspect searched online for ammo, made drawings

 

Suspect's drawing prompted worries on day of shooting

 

The 15-year-old suspect was also caught looking up ammunition online while at school before the shooting. McDonald said school officials contacted his mother about the online search, leaving a voicemail and email, but received no response. Crumbley's mother instead texted him the same day, "LOL I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught," McDonald said.

 

Hours before the shooting, Crumbley was found with a disturbing drawing that included a a firearm and someone who appeared to be bleeding, McDonald said.

 

A teacher took a photo of the drawing, and Crumbley's parents were immediately contacted. When the drawing was brought to a school counselor with Crumbley and his parents present, Crumbley had altered it, McDonald said.

 

A counselor told the parents their son needed to get counseling, but Crumbley was able to return to class. His parents did not ask him about the firearm at that time nor did they search his backpack, McDonald said.

 

"Of course, he shouldn't have gone back to that classroom," McDonald added

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After reports of the shooting at the school, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son, "Ethan don't do it," McDonald said. James Crumbley drove home to search for the firearm and called 911 to report it missing, saying he believed his son was the shooter, McDonald said.

 

"I'm angry as a mother. I'm angry as the prosecutor. I'm angry as a person that lives in this county. I'm angry. There were a lot of things that could have been so simple to prevent," McDonald said.

 

Slew of copycat threats across metro Detroit trouble schools, parents

 

Copycat threats circulated on social media and districts canceled classes Thursday out of caution for students' safety.

 

A 17-year-old student in Southfield, about 30 miles from Oxford High School, was arrested Thursday with a semi-automatic pistol. A bomb threat was also made at South Lake High School, about 45 miles from Oxford, and prompted a police investigation.

 

“If you’re making threats, we’re going to find you,” Bouchard said during a news conference Thursday that was specifically called to address the estimated hundreds of copycat threats reported. “It is ridiculous you’re inflaming the fears and passion of parents, teachers, and the community in the midst of a real tragedy.”

 

The FBI and Secret Service are also investigating threats.

 

People who make false threats could face charges for false threat of terrorism, which is a 20-year felony, and misdemeanor malicious use of a telephone, McDonald said.

 

Meanwhile, parents are walking a fine line of ensuring their children's security without affecting their kids' mental and emotional health.

"I felt like I was going to throw up," said Jill Dillon, 51, recalling dropping off her 14-year-old son to school Wednesday morning. "It was nauseating, thinking that I'm supposed to be taking him someplace safe, and is he really going to be safe?"

 

David Roden, a 14-year-old freshman at Northville High School, which stayed open Thursday, said the confusion of what's real and what's not was the scariest part.

 

"Everyone was on edge. It's just kind of weird, being close to the situation," he said.

— Miriam Marini, Detroit Free Press

 

Fake Instagram accounts multiply

 

Fake social media accounts claiming to be the 15-year-old charged in the Oxford High School shooting began popping up even before his name was released by law enforcement, and some made threats about additional shootings and plans for revenge.

 

While direct threats may lead to criminal charges, the spread of false information via deceiving accounts is a common problem in the wake of mass shootings, often is not illegal and sometimes does not violate social media platforms’ terms of service.

 

“Unfortunately, poor taste is not against the law,” said Lt. Mike Shaw of the Michigan State Police.

 

It is unlikely any social media accounts that chronicled Crumbley’s alleged criminal activity remain active on these platforms, said Cliff Lampe, a professor at the University of Michigan's School of Information.

 

In active threat situations, the social media accounts of alleged perpetrators are taken down through an opaque process, Lampe said. Platforms are alerted either by their own algorithms or by law enforcement.

 

The tendency of social media platforms to make some user accounts “disappear in the night” can help feed the creation of these fake accounts, Lampe said. However, the common practice of setting up “sock puppets” online would happen regardless, he said.

 

“Sock puppet accounts and spoof accounts have been part of internet culture for almost as long as the internet has been around,” Lampe said. Read more here.

 

— Ashley Nerbovig, Detroit Free Press

 

 

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No Excuses

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I don’t know what it is, maybe it’s because we had temporary reprieve from school shootings during COVID. This story is just so infuriating in a way that I haven’t felt in a while. It has all the characteristics of the worst aspects of American society.

 

Dumb selfish parents, a spoiled little ****head, school administrators who can’t be bothered to do their jobs. 
 

So many bad choices by so many people. Time and time again we are reminded that we are a country with too many selfish assholes.

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TheGreatBuzz

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1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said:


Hey, if you and @tshile…and I think very highly of both of you…are gonna go with a “some teenage mass shooters are fine, actually” angle, be my guest.  I know why you do it and I don’t think any less of you.

 

BUT, and I say this as someone who has made it well into their 50s more or less still intact (not easy), your heart, mind and soul will age much more gracefully if you simply choose to not do that.


Where the **** did either of us ever say that?!?

 

But cannot you not see a difference between someone who shot people attacking him and someone shooting unarmed, in suspecting people in school?  Again, not saying they didn’t each both have issues, but they are far from the same.

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hey beal

 

don't make such fatuous posts, and with such inaccurate inferences, in the process of calling out others for their 'personal shortcomings' as you see them, even if you compliment them first before going ahead

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:


Kyle Rittenhouse took an AR to a public gathering to kill members of that gathering.

I get that viewpoint.  One shouldn't be naieve enough to walk into that situation with a loaded weapon, openly carrying without thinking it could be used and it could provoke a response.  And I am not naieve enough to think that perhaps that is what KR wanted (I think he was more just stupidly flexing his rights in a dangerous manner).  He is lucky someone else was not as trigger happy as him.

 

At the same time, when I picture a school shooter, opening fire down hallways on unarmed kids, it is vastly different picture. 

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2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Please tell me no one actually believes this. The two cases are vastly different (with their own issues)

 

In a lot of ways they are similar.  The casual regard the parents had toward firearms for their children, for one.  The way the parents either dropped their kid into the middle of a potentially volatile, dangerous situation or failed to remove their kid from the middle of a potentially volatile, dangerous situation.  The way a child was so ready and willing to kill with a firearm.  Similarities.

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8 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Is it bad that I don’t even really care?

 

Like, nothing’s going to happen to prevent anything like this so why should I waste my time thinking about it at all.

 

Do your kids currently or will eventually go to public schools?  Then you should care, we all should.  Beating us into indifference is exactly what the NRA wants...

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2 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Is it bad that I don’t even really care?

 

Like, nothing’s going to happen to prevent anything like this so why should I waste my time thinking about it at all.

 

 

if you don't care, why are you in the thread seeking attention via posting on it..kinda contradicts what you're saying...you are thinking about it and you care on some level cuz here you are :) 

 

so you're actually soliciting comments on your pov while saying you don't really care and are done thinking about it? :D

 

i'll play---i gave it a 56 on the american bandstand scale...the beat was off and it didn't make me feel like dancing :P

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53 minutes ago, Springfield said:

Is it bad that I don’t even really care?

 

Welcome to apathetics anonymous.  Im Jabby.  We dont care enough to meet on Tuesdays.

 

Try to take one day at a time and remember our slogan: "there is no "I" in apathetic"

 

...yea...i know there is an "i".  Whatever.

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2 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Do your kids currently or will eventually go to public schools?  Then you should care, we all should.  Beating us into indifference is exactly what the NRA wants...


But they’ve already won. The parents of this little sack of **** plead not guilty to manslaughter and they’ll probably walk and gun nuts across the nation will all have a collective Jack off session when they do.

 

Its what happens.

 

I don’t know the details of the case but I can say with fair certainty that this could have been easily prevented. If you argued semantics about how an AR15 is a hunting rifle after Newtown or how bump stops don’t make a gun automatic after Las Vegas then you should be proud that your efforts let this little loony asshole kill some people. How many? I don’t ****ing know.

 

This is what the current gun laws in our country gets you. Guess what, gun owners care WAY more about their right to carry their metallic penis enlargers than they do about the lives of some school kids. The end.

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I have never and will never understand why one would want to make a family photo like that 

 

People I know with guns don’t usually like to broadcast what they have or how many. hell even when carrying its concealed. I don’t personally know anyone that open carries

 

 

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4 hours ago, tshile said:

I have never and will never understand why one would want to make a family photo like that 

 

People I know with guns don’t usually like to broadcast what they have or how many. hell even when carrying its concealed. I don’t personally know anyone that open carries

 

 

All some people, like the jackass Congressman and his family, want to do these days is troll. And they've learned it from the biggest proponent of trolling, the former POTUS.

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